NEWS: Reclaiming America for Christ

Originally posted by Alexodin

I think this quote sounds like the kind of policy statement I can support:

“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God.”

Thanks. I apologize to you and dawnstar and others too - have been distracted. Your contributions are MUCH appreciated.

...and quite like your writing and take, alexodin

This quote you found is most illuminating. Pretty much blinding in what it reveals.



"The national government will maintain and defend the foundations on which the power of our nation rests. It will offer strong protection to Christianity as the very basis of our collective morality. Today Christians stand at the head of our country. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit. We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theatre, and in the press-- in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of LIBERAL excess during the past years."--Adolph Hitler

The Prevalence Of Fundamentalist Marxism

Originally posted by RANT
I'm seeing better where you're coming from now on that Majic (the original militant moderate right?)

but I need more. Is a seperate examination of the prevelance of fundamentalist Marxism warranted yet? I'm open to learn, self examination and tossing some change in the cup.

I've read enough Marx to know a prophet when I see one, and have seen enough glassy-eyed academicians to know cultists when I see them.

Marx is quoted in many classrooms today because he was a brilliant observer and commentator on social issues. He laid out the realities of European society in a way no one could match. So there is good reason for the presence of the writings of Marx in our schools.

Where I get off the bus is in the proselytizing of the Marxist religion in schools. I define the Marxist religion as the system of dogmatic belief that has evolved around Marx and his philosophies.

As with all religions, the Marxist religion has its deities, its dogma, its prophets, true believers and laymen. And it requires a leap of faith to accept.

If religion is the opiate of the masses, then Marxism is their crack coc aine.

The main difference between fundamentalist Christianity and fundamentalist Marxism is that one can be – and is -- legally taught in public schools, and one cannot.

I consider that “prevalent”.

Standing Firm For What You Don't Believe In

Originally posted by RANT
I actually consider myself moderate (on Wednesdays and Sundays) but it makes it so hard to take a stand on anything.

You need to be strong and stand by your lack of conviction.

Don't let anyone take your uncertainty away from you!

The Death Of Volunteerism

Originally posted by RANT
I think America is just confused at the moment. I blame technology. (And should have much more to say on that in the upcoming Fundamental Marxism thread Majic has volunteered to author).

I may or may not start a thread on this, perhaps in the political forum, perhaps as a conspiracy.

There is strong evidence of “conspiratorial activity” on the part of Marxist acolytes worldwide, so in that sense, I think it is appropriate to the forum.

If my muse commands, then sure, I'll float a thread on the topic. If not, well, I have a lot of yard work to do.

The Tragic Failure Of Truth-In-Labeling Laws

Originally posted by Alexodin
These labels of left and right often serve to create divisiveness where much common ground maybe found instead. I really don’t have much use for such labels as they seem to be without definition. I find hypocrisy on both sides at times.

Yup.

Labels serve a purpose, as do all symbols. We use them as a form of shorthand, and with tremendous benefits.

All words are labels, all names for things, and all of them are incorrect to some degree or another.

So yes, as RANT has pointed out, I'm a “militant moderate” (“Choose and die!”), because I see any form of extremism, no matter its appeal, as erroneous and a path to ruin.

There is no freedom in extremism – the choices are all made for you. It can also be reasonably argued that extreme moderation is no different, and I can agree with that.

Still, I am more comfortable allowing myself to keep my options open than drinking someone's ideological kool-aid.

Militant Moderate Manifesto

To be moderate is to accept one's fallibility. It is to acknowledge that we don't know all there is to know about anything.

It is the ultimate expression of intellectual freedom.

Welcome to the Militant Moderates. Here in America, we control the Gray States – if they're okay with that, anyway.

Our motto: “Join or not!”

Cool posts Majic. You do write good.

Keep it coming please.

Agreed. Fundamentalism in any form is divisive - and brain numbing. A tricky trap tho. ...May be cultivated by our commitment to "efficiency" and expediency. The quick fix often looks to be the best.


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I don't know beans about Marx but Moussulini once said that government control of corporations was communism and corporate control of government was fascism. In any case I think he would at least know what fascism was aye?

In Raich v. Ashcroft several conservative southern Attorneys General have asked the Supreme Court to uphold California's medical marijuana law on States rights grounds. The principle of states' rights is more important to these law generals than what hippies on the left coast smoke to alleviate pain. Here, perhaps, is a bit of common ground between left and right. The SCOTUS has yet to rule but it would not surprise me if they cut off their noses to spite their face.

It is a creeping thing that gnaws away making holes in the document that constitutes our nation. Presently a corporate cabal is dancing with the religious right. The resulting darkness of their embrace is a natural consequence of terrestrial forces eclipsing heavenly. If the good in each is to be preserved they must divorce and go about their rounds separately because they are dysfunctional in their current attitude.

How does the corporatist see the value in curtailing porn? Here is how:

www.chron.com...

On March 29, the Supreme Court will hear oral arguments from both sides. A final ruling is expected by the end of July 2005.

It appears that the media and religious right are both comprised of groups that seek to control the flow of information for their own purposes. These seeming opposites apparently have found unity in their shared inability to keep their noses out of other people's lives and in their mutual desire to control the populace. Yet it is only the media moguls that stand to profit monetarily by it. During prohibition it was bootleggers and police that were the grateful beneficiaries of the largesse wrung from temperance’s prudence and the welfare of the nation that suffered.

The entertainment industry would like to regain control over the media that you watch and listen to, in order to make sure you never get free "content" from them. For this reason the entertainment industry would be happy to legally throttle free P2P media distribution. The religious right is fervent in their desire to take away your ability to engage in what they consider immoral behavior; even if it is merely video images viewed in your own home. They also would be happy to enforce their will by heavy-handed means. Prepare to have your rights violated yet again by forces of morality wed to servants of profit.

Shutting down P2P networks will not prevent children from accessing porn. All it does is put up a detour sign in their search. Explicit material will always be available to minors just as drugs and dangerous weapons regardless of the most draconian of measures. The solution is in parenting. The Christians involved in this effort could mount a more effective defense by instilling their values in their own children. If the spark of divinity is nourished from within the need to put up walls without may be dissolved.

Often scarlet interests of organized crime walk brazenly hand in hand with men of the cloth down our streets. Bill Bennett, hailed by the right as a pillar of morality by occupation, holds that gambling is nothing more than healthy family recreation. I hear no pious voice decrying the explosion of casinos and state lotteries in this country. Where is their indignant outrage? Where is the pious yammering and bemoaning of the loss of Christian values swept away in a tsunami of iniquity? When money changers charge the poor usurious rates not a peep in protest escapes their lips. So it is to be a hypocrite. So it is to cherry pick. So it is to be more concerned about sex than anything else. Do not look down in the shower Mr Bennett or you will most certainly be condemned to hell.

America is a heaven for misogynistic black-mailing pimps. Moralist prohibitions against a legal sex trade serve well the interests of organized crime in creating the very conditions required to enslave people employed in the illicit occupation. Suppression of healthy natural sexual expression further fills criminal coffers to bursting by creating an insatiable market for materials that appeal to purely prurient interest. Suppression of healthy natural sexual expression may also contribute to inducement of deviant unhealthy and sexual desires that lead to criminal acts. I am looking at Rome but do not wish to single them out as there are others who are equally guilty.

A failed drug war that serves only to fatten the coffers of organized crime and profit the state at the expense of the nation is just fine by some who claim to follow Jesus and love their country. As Paul Newman’s character stated so eloquently in the movie Cool Hand Luke, “Sometimes I wish you weren’t so good to me boss.” Are not our prisons as inclined to rape as to creating the despairing conditions conducive to bringing the inveterate sinner to accept the forgiveness of Christ? I ask which is the more strait forward and intellectually honest practice?

Originally posted by Alexodin

I don't know beans about Marx but Moussulini once said that government control of corporations was communism and corporate control of government was fascism.

Love those nutshells.

Bill Bennett, hailed by the right as a pillar of morality by occupation, holds that gambling is nothing more than healthy family recreation. I hear no pious voice decrying the explosion of casinos and state lotteries in this country. Where is their indignant outrage? Where is the pious yammering and bemoaning of the loss of Christian values swept away in a tsunami of iniquity?

Been wondering that myself.

America is a heaven for misogynistic black-mailing pimps. Moralist prohibitions against a legal sex trade serve well the interests of organized crime in creating the very conditions required to enslave people employed in the illicit occupation.

Now they've got it covered from the othjer side too - prostitution is legal in Germany, and unemployed women offered jobs in the sex trade lose their benefits if they won't "work."



...As per usual, your post is packed and brilliant.

Thanks. Keep it coming.


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Thank you Soficrow for your kind words and honors on my behalf.

Soficrow: “Now they've got it covered from the other side too - prostitution is legal in Germany, and unemployed women offered jobs in the sex trade lose their benefits if they won't "work."

Yes that is correct. The policy may be amended, I hope, but such a policy is not required to operate a legal sex trade. It doesn’t have to be that way.

Here is more on the story:
www.thenakedscientists.com...

I do not support such a policy but maintain that a legal and regulated sex industry is far better than any illicit one.

From my previous post regarding Bill Bennett’s past penchant for gambling:
“Where is the pious yammering and bemoaning of the loss of Christian values swept away in a tsunami of iniquity?”

It may be of service to the reader and help them to better understand my position if we look at the definition of the word iniquity.

Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)
Iniquity \In*iq"ui*ty\, n.; pl. Iniquities. [OE. iniquitee, F.
iniquit['e], L. iniquitas, inequality, unfairness, injustice.
See Iniquous.]

1. Absence of, or deviation from, just dealing; want of
rectitude or uprightness; gross injustice;
unrighteousness; wickedness; as, the iniquity of bribery;
the iniquity of an unjust judge.

Till the world from his perfection fell Into all
filth and foul iniquity. --Spenser.

2. An iniquitous act or thing; a deed of injustice o?
unrighteousness; a sin; a crime. --Milton.

Your iniquities have separated between you and your
God. --Is. lix. 2.

3. A character or personification in the old English
moralities, or moral dramas, having the name sometimes of
one vice and sometimes of another. See Vice.

Acts old Iniquity, and in the fit of miming gets the
opinion of a wit. --B. Jonson.

Vice \Vice\, n. [F., from L. vitium.]
1. A defect; a fault; an error; a blemish; an imperfection;
as, the vices of a political constitution; the vices of a
horse.

Withouten vice of syllable or letter. --Chaucer.

Mark the vice of the procedure. --Sir W.
Hamilton.

2. A moral fault or failing; especially, immoral conduct or
habit, as in the indulgence of degrading appetites;
customary deviation in a single respect, or in general,
from a right standard, implying a defect of natural
character, or the result of training and habits; a harmful
custom; immorality; depravity; wickedness; as, a life of
vice; the vice of intemperance.

I do confess the vices of my blood. --Shak.

Ungoverned appetite . . . a brutish vice. --Milton.

When vice prevails, and impious men bear sway, The
post of honor is a private station. --Addison.

3. The buffoon of the old English moralities, or moral
dramas, having the name sometimes of one vice, sometimes
of another, or of Vice itself; -- called also Iniquity.

Note: This character was grotesquely dressed in a cap with
Ass’s ears, and was armed with a dagger of lath: one of
his chief employments was to make sport with the Devil,
leaping on his back, and belaboring him with the dagger
of lath till he made him roar. The Devil, however,
always carried him off in the end. --Nares.



(Alexodin: I must interject here to say, ha ha ha! What the? No. Really? Wow! Giddy up go oh steed of Led Zepplen you make my world not only fun but tolerable!)


How like you the Vice in the play? . . . I would
not give a rush for a Vice that has not a wooden
dagger to snap at everybody. --B. Jonson.

Syn: Crime; sin; iniquity; fault. See Crime.

At this point I don’t need to “see crime” to know what iniquity is Mr. Webster. But I thank him for this definition of a word I need to know more about every day.

Originally posted by Alexodin

Soficrow: “Now they've got it covered from the other side too - prostitution is legal in Germany, and unemployed women offered jobs in the sex trade lose their benefits if they won't "work."

I do not support such a policy but maintain that a legal and regulated sex industry is far better than any illicit one.

I tend to agree - but caution you (and everyone) NOT to review laws in isolation. ...There is a harmonization going on that has everything inter-connected and dovetailed to support a plan that is not apparent on the surface. ...Buyer beware.

In this case, the trade off is legalization of the sex trade in return for laws forcing the unemployed to work in the sex trade.



Not my idea of a 'moral' solution to either problem.



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With respect I strongly disagree. Denmark has legalized the sex trade and they do not have coercive employment policies. It does not necessarily follow that if you have a legal sex trade that you must also force the unemployed to labor in an occupation that offends their sense of morality.

I submit that to have a legal and regulated trade in sex is the enlightened and liberating approach, however repugnant, and the prohibition of the same is conducive to coercion and enslavement. Germany has only legalized the trade in lust two years ago and has yet to hammer out the finer points of the law. The example of the woman that had her unemployment benefits cut is red meat for prohibitionists but is also a herring.

Originally posted by Alexodin

Denmark has legalized the sex trade and they do not have coercive employment policies. It does not necessarily follow that if you have a legal sex trade that you must also force the unemployed to labor in an occupation that offends their sense of morality.

I fully agree. My concern is that laws in the USA are being harmonized to strengthen corporate control, and to dismantle civil liberties. The potential for such abuse here is very high.

I submit that to have a legal and regulated trade in sex is the enlightened and liberating approach, however repugnant, and the prohibition of the same is conducive to coercion and enslavement.

I agree here too. My caution is that the legal system can be used just as easily to sabotage the legalization of prostitution and make it into just another avenue of coercion and enslavement.

Germany has only legalized the trade in lust two years ago and has yet to hammer out the finer points of the law. The example of the woman that had her unemployment benefits cut is red meat for prohibitionists but is also a herring.

Laws are routinely abused and used in ways that were unintended by the legislators who crafted them. ...and Gonzales would walk right over this one.

The solution is to address the potential for abuse in the core legislation, and to block it.

i would not support any legislation that did not cover off the potential for abuse and misapplication of the law.



Good work, Alex. Nice dancing with you.


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but, soficrow



he is talking about a government regulated industry....

those in the white house don't believe in such critters, do they?

Pleasant woman do you swing dance?

Soficrow
“My concern is that laws in the USA are being harmonized to strengthen corporate control, and to dismantle civil liberties. The potential for such abuse here is very high.”


I have passed what could be termed “concern” and have entered into a state of distress. Civil liberties have already been dismantled and while there may be a way to increase corporate control over this country it does not come readily to mind. The abuse is not potential but daily.


Soficrow
"My caution is that the legal system can be used just as easily to sabotage the legalization of prostitution and make it into just another avenue of coercion and enslavement."

Yes but in its present illicit disposition coercion and enslavement in the trade are insured. To have a black market subtext to humanity is to be without any means by which to liberate the workers or insure their well being. A well regulated sex trade could be a means of enslavement or conversely provide a venue by which to alleviate depravations and rehabilitate those unfortunate enough to find themselves in such a condition in short to raise them up to the level of citizen so that they may enjoy their rights.

And spin.

Soficrow
"Laws are routinely abused and used in ways that were unintended by the legislators who crafted them. ...and Gonzales would walk right over this one."

Gonzales has walked right over existing law. The law is no barrier to him for he considers them to be quaint. This man who occupies the office of attorney general picks and chooses the laws he would selectively enforce and those that he would deliberately snap across his knee. He is no law man. His predilection for sexually deviant means of interrogation further marks him as a sadist and beast of the most malignant stripe. I have respect for the law but no regard for such as him.

And dip.

Soficrow
"The solution is to address the potential for abuse in the core legislation, and to block it."

I whole heartedly agree.


Quoth Soficrow
"I would not support any legislation that did not cover off the potential for abuse and misapplication of the law."

We must be ever vigilant in this attitude when penning any legislation and equally vigilant correcting the error when it has become apparent that there is a flaw in the dictum. It may be a deeper insight to observe that the most effective means of law enforcement and crime control is to alleviate the condition of poverty and depravation of practical and enlightened education which give rise to illegality.

So that we as a people may rise and walk about the nation secure in our homes and persons and prosperous in noble endeavor and hopeful of a brighter tomorrow. I love the stars to much to fear the darkness and I retain a glimmer of hope that my country will not plummet in headlong spiral into tyranny but remain secure in its heavenly perch. I detect a strong vibration in the fundament and it is a horrid sound birthed not of the gentle voice of wisdom and reason but is the offspring of an ancient trade with calamitous ignorance.

Originally posted by dawnstar
but, soficrow

he is talking about a government regulated industry....

those in the white house don't believe in such critters, do they?

Yah but they like legalized gambling and legalizing prostitution isn't that much different - "Christian" or not. They'd just find a way to make it work for them.


Alex- good points. Back later.