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Originally posted by WeBDeviL
Hmm...this thread has run a little rampant..
Anywho, I have long since removed myself from this debate, seeing as it has become a stalemate on both sides - however:
the side claiming that the U.S. is NOT a religious based country - the fact still stands:
Why inaugurate (sp?) the Presidents with a BIBLE? A CHRISTIAN thing - why not the Torah? Or the Qoran? Or perhaps NOTHING if we are so such a secular country?
"[When] the [Virginia] bill for establishing religious freedom... was finally passed,... a singular proposition proved that its protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word "Jesus Christ," so that it should read "a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion." The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend within the mantle of its protection the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo and infidel of every denomination." --Thomas Jefferson: Autobiography, 1821. ME 1:67
"For we know that the common law is that system of law which was introduced by the Saxons on their settlement in England, and altered from time to time by proper legislative authority from that time to the date of Magna Charta, which terminates the period of the common law. . . This settlement took place about the middle of the fifth century. But Christianity was not introduced till the seventh century; the conversion of the first christian king of the Heptarchy having taken place about the year 598, and that of the last about 686. Here then, was a space of two hundred years, during which the common law was in existence, and Christianity no part of it.
". . . if any one chooses to build a doctrine on any law of that period, supposed to have been lost, it is incumbent on him to prove it to have existed, and what were its contents. These were so far alterations of the common law, and became themselves a part of it. But none of these adopt Christianity as a part of the common law. If, therefore, from the settlement of the Saxons to the introduction of Christianity among them, that system of religion could not be a part of the common law, because they were not yet Christians, and if, having their laws from that period to the close of the common law, we are all able to find among them no such act of adoption, we may safely affirm (though contradicted by all the judges and writers on earth) that Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law."
As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion...
"The constitutional freedom of religion [is] the most inalienable and sacred of all human rights." --Thomas Jefferson: Virginia Board of Visitors Minutes, 1819. ME 19:416
"Among the most inestimable of our blessings, also, is that... of liberty to worship our Creator in the way we think most agreeable to His will; a liberty deemed in other countries incompatible with good government and yet proved by our experience to be its best support." --Thomas Jefferson: Reply to John Thomas et al., 1807. ME 16:291
Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Remember, Bandit, this whole argument that this is not a Christian nation is a new one, appearing for the first real time in the early '60's. Before, there was no confusion, and the nation was nothing like Afghanistan.
The Constitution refers to religion only twice in the First Amendment, which bars laws "respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," and in Article VI, which prohibits "religious tests" for public office. Both of these provisions are evidence that the country was not founded as officially Christian.
Sept. 11 launched a surge of patriotism that has increasingly becoming intertwined with religion. A Dec. 10 Chicago Tribune report ("Crusading for a Christian nation") states "Christian conservatives have declared war on civil libertarians for the soul of America."
Originally posted by WeBDeviL
My entire argument in this thread is simply saying that America's past is rooted in Christianity.
You never really answered my argument. To swear on the Bible is tradition, once again, proving that America is rooted, and should be rooted in, Christianity. The moment we forget our history is the moment that this country collapses.