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Why don't you believe these women?

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posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 04:35 PM
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originally posted by: LordAhriman
On this site, if the accusation is against a Republican, it's a lie. If it's against a Democrat, it's true and proof that Hillary Clinton runs a global satanic trafficking ring and eats babies.


Lets say for a moment thats true.

thank god this site doesnt have any real power.

Now out in the real world, when it comes to politicians and the media, more often than not the inverse is true.

Kavanaugh; guilty, must be delayed, investigated, and removed.

Keith ellison; a great decent guy, we dont have time for his accuser.

I dont know about you, but I am more worried about the politicians and media than people on ats.




posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 04:43 PM
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Your so all over the place with everything.
If this was DND your alignment would be chaotic-chaos

a reply to: Damla


edit on 24-9-2018 by Athetos because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 04:43 PM
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a reply to: FyreByrd

You know what?

You get young people and alcohol together and stuff happens. You act like only one person in this equation drinks. Only the woman drinks and can't control herself as a result. Did you ever stop to think that at a party, everyone consumes alcohol, and no one there is likely in very good control of themselves?

That doesn't absolve anyone of bad behavior, but if we are going to let the woman off the hook because she was too drunk to know better, you can't then turn around expect a drunk man to be able to always be in control of his actions perfectly as though 100% sober.

What is the legal blood alcohol limit for driving? What do you want to bet that both parties in many of these situations are well beyond it, and if we think they're too compromised to drive responsibly why on earth are you acting like both of them are batting 1,000 in the sensible decision making department too?



posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 04:46 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Alcohol doesn't matter....no means NO.



posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 04:48 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: ketsuko

Alcohol doesn't matter....no means NO.


True.

Ask cory booker.



posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 04:49 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: ketsuko

Alcohol doesn't matter....no means NO.


It does, but at some point, people have to take some responsibility for themselves, even when they have a vagina (or merely identify as female).

If I'm a college co-ed going to a party, I have to understand what alcohol does to everyone's inhibitions, including my own.
edit on 24-9-2018 by ketsuko because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 04:53 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: FyreByrd

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: FyreByrd


Do you believe Keith Ellisons accusers?

If you do why are you and your party not doing anything about it?


In fact, I do. However I do believe people are innocent until proven guilty.

These acts of sexual assault and sexual harassment are widespread throughout our society. I don't know a women that hasn't endured this type of entitled behavior from men. I was assaulted by 'a friend' in high school, harassed by a boss in my first full-time job - told I'd lose my job if I didn't 'give it up'.



If you believe people are innocent until proven guilty then why do you think we should automatically believe the accuser with the accused not having a chance to defend themselves? Isn't that how the MSM and many Democratic Senators and Congresscritters playing this game?


Remember this woman wanted Kav to go first! Last time I recall that type of BS was during the Spanish Inquisition! That tactic has nothing to do with our rule of law and justice system.


First of all I never said that I think all women who claim sexual assault should be believed.

And I don't think that Senate Confirmation Hearings are the proper place for 'staging a trail'.

That said, this does concern the character of the nominee and should be properly investigated, by whom, I don't know, before any vote is taken.

There are more serious, and easily provable character defects in play with this nominee which seem to have been forgotten and the dems have planned into corporate hands by releasing the claim(s).

The nominees perjury before the senate, repeated perjury, provable perjury by his own documents, has fallen by the wayside. Do you really want a Supreme Court justice that is a flagrant perjurer?

While I tend to socialist ideals, the democrats are in this case acting on behalf of their Corporate Masters just as republicans do.

This poor women wanted to remain anonymous, she contacted her Senator telling her of her experience of this judges character, the Senator either ignored her wishes or manipulated her into going public. If the democrates truly wanted to see this nominee refused, it would have been wiser to stick to the less sensational and more important character fault - that of lying.



posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 04:56 PM
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It looks to me like the modus operandi by the Republicans to slut shame Dr. Ford.

All but calling her a drunken bimbo that deserved it.

www.rawstory.com...
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posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 04:57 PM
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a reply to: FyreByrd

I have seen you say perjury several times, while providing no proof.

I even provided a link from a left leaning site saying this was not perjury at all.

www.vox.com...



posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 05:00 PM
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a reply to: FyreByrd


Where has he committed perjury?

You make a lot of claims with jack snip to back them up!



posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 05:01 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

Slut shame? Or call bs on her story she can’t remember calling in witnesses who say they weren’t there.



posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 05:02 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12
It looks to me like the modus operandi by the Republicans to slut shame Dr. Ford.

www.rawstory.com...


What a garbage article.

First is brings up whelan saying it was that other guy, which was bad. Thats not slut shaming at all.

Then it brings up alex jones and others posting ford yearbook showing they liked to party with guys.

Why is that slut shaming, but the constant labeling of kavanughs yearbooks or friends book that doesnt even mention his name but smears him as a drunk womanizer is ok?

We know that many people, including the author of that article, view any questions of this accusers story as attacking a victim.

Thats the new world; if you are accused, you are guilty. If you defend yourself or question the accusation, that is more proof of your guilt.

Meanwhile, we have many prominent democrats saying they know kavanaugh is guilty, or even if he isnt, he should resign.

Oh and if you want to see how a professional slut shames and attacks alleged victims, take a look back at the clintons and their friends.
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posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 05:04 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12
It looks to me like the modus operandi by the Republicans to slut shame Dr. Ford.

www.rawstory.com...


Ah, raw story.

Lol



posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 05:06 PM
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a reply to: Mandroid7

If its a false accusation , the book should be thrown at the offenders.



posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 05:07 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: FyreByrd

You know what?

You get young people and alcohol together and stuff happens. You act like only one person in this equation drinks. Only the woman drinks and can't control herself as a result. Did you ever stop to think that at a party, everyone consumes alcohol, and no one there is likely in very good control of themselves?

That doesn't absolve anyone of bad behavior, but if we are going to let the woman off the hook because she was too drunk to know better, you can't then turn around expect a drunk man to be able to always be in control of his actions perfectly as though 100% sober.

What is the legal blood alcohol limit for driving? What do you want to bet that both parties in many of these situations are well beyond it, and if we think they're too compromised to drive responsibly why on earth are you acting like both of them are batting 1,000 in the sensible decision making department too?


If you actually read and understood by post - I mentioned both men and women doing stupid S.... You are perceiving what you want to perceive and not what was actually there.



posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 05:07 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12
It looks to me like the modus operandi by the Republicans to slut shame Dr. Ford.

All but calling her a drunken bimbo that deserved it.

www.rawstory.com...




Shaming the victim is an old tactic, never the less still commonly used.



posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 05:14 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: ketsuko

Alcohol doesn't matter....no means NO.


Didn't you tell us that when you were in a band that you had drunk groupies all over you?

Taking advantage of drunk ladies was okay then, right?





posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 05:16 PM
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originally posted by: FyreByrd

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: FyreByrd

You know what?

You get young people and alcohol together and stuff happens. You act like only one person in this equation drinks. Only the woman drinks and can't control herself as a result. Did you ever stop to think that at a party, everyone consumes alcohol, and no one there is likely in very good control of themselves?

That doesn't absolve anyone of bad behavior, but if we are going to let the woman off the hook because she was too drunk to know better, you can't then turn around expect a drunk man to be able to always be in control of his actions perfectly as though 100% sober.

What is the legal blood alcohol limit for driving? What do you want to bet that both parties in many of these situations are well beyond it, and if we think they're too compromised to drive responsibly why on earth are you acting like both of them are batting 1,000 in the sensible decision making department too?


If you actually read and understood by post - I mentioned both men and women doing stupid S.... You are perceiving what you want to perceive and not what was actually there.


Except for some reason, you act like boys should be able to perfectly well control themselves while girls roll around like drunken pieces of meat passed out on the floor?

I submit that the real truth lies in the middle with the onus of responsibility for what happens resting on both parties. If she's too drunk to control her body entirely and not in trusted circumstances, she has some responsibility for having put herself in those circumstances. And even a normally controlled man might have trouble when drunk and tempted with a passed out chick. It's a recipe for disaster, and young people shouldn't put themselves in those situations in the first place.

But you can't act like all the guilt rests on one or the other when both made a series of choices that set the table for the disaster to happen.
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posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 05:17 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12
It looks to me like the modus operandi by the Republicans to slut shame Dr. Ford.

All but calling her a drunken bimbo that deserved it.

www.rawstory.com...


Teenagers fool around. Deny that. You can't.



posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 05:18 PM
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originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: ketsuko

Alcohol doesn't matter....no means NO.


Didn't you tell us that when you were in a band that you had drunk groupies all over you?

Taking advantage of drunk ladies was okay then, right?





Well when you are musician at the club and everyone is getting drunk grooming the young gals is perfectly acceptable! /extreme sarcasm




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