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posted on Sep, 25 2018 @ 12:07 AM
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originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Agree2Disagree
a reply to: TinySickTears

Both sides got the snip end of the stick...Kavanaugh and Ford. One gets his reputation ran through the mud being called a rapist. The other gets her name ran through being called a slut and a liar. It's embarrassing to say the least....

A2D


I keep seeing people claim people are calling her a slut

Other than obvious trolls, who has done this?

Meanwhile, we have actual democrats in the senate say they already know Kavanagh is guilty


in talking about people on here.
these people live in real life and if they post these things i tend to believe they feel this way.


how do we know they are an obvious troll and do not really feel this way.
you see the posts man


Show me the post on here calling her a slut.

I will condemn that.

Meanwhile, people claim this shows how much harder women have it, when in my mind, a few anonymous people on social media saying she is a slut is far less serious than US senators declaring him a sexual assaulter based on no evidence.


i know you would condemn it. you have a level head but dude i am not digging through all the pages of all the threads. i dont need you to condemn it either.

you have been active. the posts are there

you dont have to believe it

i will ask you the same thing i asked ketsuko as well

why are do so many rapes and other sexual assaults not reported by the victim?
in your opinion



There could be many reasons, shame, lack of belief, the numbers of unreported assaults could be wrong, lack of legal advice, etc.

Why are so many men who are abused by women, both sexually or otherwise, not reported? Why are women given lighter sentences for those crimes when they are found guilty?

The fact is its very complicated, but its not as simple as the world is out to get women or doesnt trust them.




Men are just way more violent.


I agree biut want to make two points.

First, if you were willing to acceopt evidence that more men committing murder is beacuse men are more violent, would you also make the same claim along racial lines. In other woprds, if one race committs more murder or violence, is it just because they are more violent?

Or would you demand we look into other areas because it would be racist to say that?

Secondly, you are right, but still men are victims of much violence and even sexual assault domestically, and they report to a lessor percentage than even women do.

My point is these are complicated matters, and to act like the world is out to get women and that is the end all be all of why the dont report is too over simplistic.




Actually Greven. These days men are not alone in violence. With the 'over' half a million abortions per year, and all of the poisonings of husbands and Nurses killing the elderly in rest homes and Hospitals...It's not that men are more violent...it's that women are calculated and more clandestine about it. It's still violence.
edit on 25-9-2018 by IlluminatiTechnician because: (no reason given)




posted on Sep, 25 2018 @ 12:09 AM
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originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Agree2Disagree
a reply to: TinySickTears

Both sides got the snip end of the stick...Kavanaugh and Ford. One gets his reputation ran through the mud being called a rapist. The other gets her name ran through being called a slut and a liar. It's embarrassing to say the least....

A2D


I keep seeing people claim people are calling her a slut

Other than obvious trolls, who has done this?

Meanwhile, we have actual democrats in the senate say they already know Kavanagh is guilty


in talking about people on here.
these people live in real life and if they post these things i tend to believe they feel this way.


how do we know they are an obvious troll and do not really feel this way.
you see the posts man


Show me the post on here calling her a slut.

I will condemn that.

Meanwhile, people claim this shows how much harder women have it, when in my mind, a few anonymous people on social media saying she is a slut is far less serious than US senators declaring him a sexual assaulter based on no evidence.


i know you would condemn it. you have a level head but dude i am not digging through all the pages of all the threads. i dont need you to condemn it either.

you have been active. the posts are there

you dont have to believe it

i will ask you the same thing i asked ketsuko as well

why are do so many rapes and other sexual assaults not reported by the victim?
in your opinion



There could be many reasons, shame, lack of belief, the numbers of unreported assaults could be wrong, lack of legal advice, etc.

Why are so many men who are abused by women, both sexually or otherwise, not reported? Why are women given lighter sentences for those crimes when they are found guilty?

The fact is its very complicated, but its not as simple as the world is out to get women or doesnt trust them.




Men are just way more violent.


I agree biut want to make two points.

First, if you were willing to acceopt evidence that more men committing murder is beacuse men are more violent, would you also make the same claim along racial lines. In other woprds, if one race committs more murder or violence, is it just because they are more violent?

Or would you demand we look into other areas because it would be racist to say that?

Secondly, you are right, but still men are victims of much violence and even sexual assault domestically, and they report to a lessor percentage than even women do.

My point is these are complicated matters, and to act like the world is out to get women and that is the end all be all of why the dont report is too over simplistic.

I'm not sure why you're bringing race into this, when you see above that basically half of murders are unsolved and we're talking about gender.

Additionally, those who were convicted but are later found innocent seem to be disproportionately minorities - and guess what? They don't necessarily update the clearance rate statistics when that happens. There are estimates as high as 8% for wrongful convictions.

Right now there seems to be a lot of cries that the world is out to get men - or at least women are.


Yes just as I thought.

Look at crime stats based on gender = perfectly acceptable to take at face value

Look at crime stats based on race = whoa why mention that there are a lot of mitigating factors we cant just say a race is more violent lets dig in and see the court system is unfair there has to be other reasons for this.....



posted on Sep, 25 2018 @ 12:16 AM
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originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Agree2Disagree
a reply to: TinySickTears

Both sides got the snip end of the stick...Kavanaugh and Ford. One gets his reputation ran through the mud being called a rapist. The other gets her name ran through being called a slut and a liar. It's embarrassing to say the least....

A2D


I keep seeing people claim people are calling her a slut

Other than obvious trolls, who has done this?

Meanwhile, we have actual democrats in the senate say they already know Kavanagh is guilty


in talking about people on here.
these people live in real life and if they post these things i tend to believe they feel this way.


how do we know they are an obvious troll and do not really feel this way.
you see the posts man


Show me the post on here calling her a slut.

I will condemn that.

Meanwhile, people claim this shows how much harder women have it, when in my mind, a few anonymous people on social media saying she is a slut is far less serious than US senators declaring him a sexual assaulter based on no evidence.


i know you would condemn it. you have a level head but dude i am not digging through all the pages of all the threads. i dont need you to condemn it either.

you have been active. the posts are there

you dont have to believe it

i will ask you the same thing i asked ketsuko as well

why are do so many rapes and other sexual assaults not reported by the victim?
in your opinion



There could be many reasons, shame, lack of belief, the numbers of unreported assaults could be wrong, lack of legal advice, etc.

Why are so many men who are abused by women, both sexually or otherwise, not reported? Why are women given lighter sentences for those crimes when they are found guilty?

The fact is its very complicated, but its not as simple as the world is out to get women or doesnt trust them.




Men are just way more violent.


I agree biut want to make two points.

First, if you were willing to acceopt evidence that more men committing murder is beacuse men are more violent, would you also make the same claim along racial lines. In other woprds, if one race committs more murder or violence, is it just because they are more violent?

Or would you demand we look into other areas because it would be racist to say that?

Secondly, you are right, but still men are victims of much violence and even sexual assault domestically, and they report to a lessor percentage than even women do.

My point is these are complicated matters, and to act like the world is out to get women and that is the end all be all of why the dont report is too over simplistic.

I'm not sure why you're bringing race into this, when you see above that basically half of murders are unsolved and we're talking about gender.

Additionally, those who were convicted but are later found innocent seem to be disproportionately minorities - and guess what? They don't necessarily update the clearance rate statistics when that happens. There are estimates as high as 8% for wrongful convictions.

Right now there seems to be a lot of cries that the world is out to get men - or at least women are.


Yes just as I thought.

Look at crime stats based on gender = perfectly acceptable to take at face value

Look at crime stats based on race = whoa why mention that there are a lot of mitigating factors we cant just say a race is more violent lets dig in and see the court system is unfair there has to be other reasons for this.....

Why are you going so off-topic?

It's an utter fact that men kill more people than women.
It's not a fact that, for example, blacks kill more than whites; for one, that's not true of black women.
CDC: Black women experience highest rates of homicide of any racial group in the United States:

The overall homicide rate for women was 2 per 100,000 women.

When researchers reviewed the statistics for black women, the homicide rate increased to 4.4 per 100,000 women.

The rate for American Indian and Alaska Native women was 4.3 per 100,000.

The homicide rates for Asian, Hispanic and white women were significantly lower at 1.2, 1.8, and 1.5, according to the CDC.


But I bet you don't want to talk about that, huh?
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posted on Sep, 25 2018 @ 12:18 AM
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You said: "The prevalence of false reporting is between 2% and 10%"

I think we can assume it's near 100% when a small portion of the country thinks they're preventing the next Hitler from sitting on the Supreme Court.



posted on Sep, 25 2018 @ 12:23 AM
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a reply to: Greven

Of course I wilk talk about that.

In fact, by proportion, blacks are killed at a far higher proportion, including men, than any other race.

It is a damn targedy.

We should be doing much more to solve this.
'
Unfortunately, we arent allowed to be honest with who is killing those blacks. As you may know, races tend to kill within their own group.

And so we have to ignore who the perpetrators may be, because it would look racist.

I agree in general men are more violent.

I was just saying if we are going to aagree ots ok to look at these facts based on gender, we should be able to based on race, or geography, or economics, etc.

But for some reason it seems we are only allowed to look at those stats when we want to criticize certain groups.

But it was just an aside.

To your greater point, yes, men committ more violence.

That has little to do with men proportionally reporting violence against them in very small numbers, which was my point to the poster.,

The point is there are many reasons for both men and women to not report assault cases, and its not as simple as it at first appears.



posted on Sep, 25 2018 @ 12:24 AM
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Apparently there is a 3rd accusation now according to news radio, can anyone confirm this ?



posted on Sep, 25 2018 @ 12:35 AM
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originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Greven

Of course I wilk talk about that.

In fact, by proportion, blacks are killed at a far higher proportion, including men, than any other race.

It is a damn targedy.

We should be doing much more to solve this.
'
Unfortunately, we arent allowed to be honest with who is killing those blacks. As you may know, races tend to kill within their own group.

And so we have to ignore who the perpetrators may be, because it would look racist.

I agree in general men are more violent.

I was just saying if we are going to aagree ots ok to look at these facts based on gender, we should be able to based on race, or geography, or economics, etc.

But for some reason it seems we are only allowed to look at those stats when we want to criticize certain groups.

But it was just an aside.

To your greater point, yes, men committ more violence.

That has little to do with men proportionally reporting violence against them in very small numbers, which was my point to the poster.,

The point is there are many reasons for both men and women to not report assault cases, and its not as simple as it at first appears.

Sure, most murders are intraracial rather than interracial, but you can't make a sweeping generalization based on race due to the far lower rates of murder by women of said racial group. I would agree that socioeconomic status has significant impact on crime - poorer folks tend to have higher rates of criminal behavior... at least, higher rates of prosecuted behavior.

There is of course one other thing that the two share substantially: relation between victim and offender(s).

With murders and sexual assaults, the victim typically knows the offender.

Often they are family, friends, or had been intimate.

Rates are quite high among women... Victims and Perpetrators:

Sexual violence may occur in any type of relationship, but most perpetrators of sexual assault are known to their victims. Among victims ages 18 to 29, two-thirds had a prior relationship with the offender. The Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) reports that 6 in 10 rape or sexual assault victims said that they were assaulted by an intimate partner, relative, friend or acquaintance. A study of sexual victimization of college women showed that 9 out of 10 victims knew the person who sexually victimized them. One research project found that 34 percent of women surveyed were victims of sexual coercion by a husband or intimate partner in their lifetime.

Women are more likely to be victims of sexual violence than are men. The National Violence Against Women Survey (NVAWS) sampled 8,000 women and 8,000 men and found that 1 in 6 women (17 percent) and 1 in 33 men (3 percent) reported experiencing an attempted or completed rape at some time in their lives.

It's pretty bad. One in six women have been raped or almost raped. It's probable that sexual assault rates are higher.
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posted on Sep, 25 2018 @ 12:45 AM
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a reply to: Athetos

i love DND character creation part! but it is really hard to find a good DM.





posted on Sep, 25 2018 @ 01:04 AM
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a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician

it isnt quite possible not to resort to violence in life one way or another, how do you think life came into being? out of a sexual relation that itself is violent in nature.it isnt gender specific to incline towards violence every now and then. what matters more is how you manage your violent tendencies.women in general have less areas to perform violence than men considering their physical capabilities compared to men.
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posted on Sep, 25 2018 @ 02:46 AM
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a reply to: FyreByrd

FyreByrd, I cannot believe you are making this post when in the 80's you sexually assaulted me.
I was sexually assaulted, my witnesses wont corroborate the story, but she did it. She tried to take advantage of me when we were younger and it definitely happened.

FyreByrd tried to rape me.

Please believe my story as no one else will. It happened and it's not fair to me. I know for sure it was FyreByrd, and it's my word vs a rapist.

When will you come clean fyrebyrd?

#metoo


edit on 25-9-2018 by Vector99 because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 25 2018 @ 05:03 AM
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Absolutely a women would do this. Espcaially someone of her political back ground.

They will use their power at Facebook, on YouTube, at the FBI and IRS to go after conservatives.

This women is just playing their liberal game. But each attempt makes them look worse and worse



posted on Sep, 25 2018 @ 05:11 AM
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a reply to: FyreByrd

I don't believe any accuser of anything without evidence. Women alleging sexual crimes don't get a pass on burden of proof.



posted on Sep, 25 2018 @ 06:30 AM
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a reply to: FyreByrd

Maybe because one of them called people saying she didn't know if it was him, was told by everyone it wasn't, then accused him anyway.

I don't believe liars, why do you?



posted on Sep, 25 2018 @ 06:31 AM
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a reply to: Vector99

If a lawyer helped you remember I will stand with you.



posted on Sep, 25 2018 @ 06:40 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Do you have Allred's number?



posted on Sep, 25 2018 @ 07:09 AM
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a reply to: Vector99

Let me check ...



posted on Sep, 25 2018 @ 07:15 AM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
Apparently there is a 3rd accusation now according to news radio, can anyone confirm this ?


I don't think there is yet a third one, just rumors of it at the moment.



posted on Sep, 25 2018 @ 07:19 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

This is all playing out like a soap opera.



posted on Sep, 25 2018 @ 07:21 AM
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a reply to: Vector99

No.

That's not how the game is played now. FyreByrd now has to absolutely prove they didn't do it, not just come clean. After all, you made the accusation, even if there is no proof, and because you made the accusation and #MeToo, we all have to absolutely believe you 100% because ... vagina.



posted on Sep, 25 2018 @ 07:43 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Is fyrebyrd a Democrat. They are immune to accusations.







 
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