The crazy amount of pollution in China

originally posted by: watchandwait410
Is it really unbelievable? China is using everything they have to get more modernized, that includes raping mother nature.

Frankly I blame Mother Nature, if she didn't leave her coal and oil hanging out we wouldn't have had to grab it.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I'd say we've all been waging a war of a class action lawsuit against Her for eons.

We have got to find a way to humanely reduce the world population. There are just way too many of us. I've read that the ideal world population should be about 1.5 - 2 billion. We are currently at 7.2 billion and projected to be 9.6 billion by the year 2050. We can't continue this trend.

originally posted by: jtrenthacker

We have got to find a way to humanely reduce the world population.

Oh please do go on in detail!

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

If I had the answers, I wouldn't be wasting time on ATS.

a reply to: jtrenthacker

Just a quick list of some of these "humane" methods to knock 5 billion people off the spreadsheet, and we'll go from there.

Here are some ideas I've found though I don't agree with all of them.

Provide universal access to safe and effective contraceptive options for both sexes. With nearly two in five pregnancies reported as mistimed or never wanted, lack of access to good family planning services is among the biggest gaps in assuring that each baby will be wanted and welcomed in advance by its parents.

Guarantee education through secondary school for all, especially girls. In every culture surveyed to date, women who have completed at least some secondary school have fewer children on average, and have children later in life, than do women who have less education.

Eradicate gender bias from law, economic opportunity, health, and culture. Women who can own, inherit, and manage property; divorce; obtain credit; and participate in civic and political affairs on equal terms with men are more likely to postpone childbearing and to have fewer children compared to women who are deprived of these rights.

Offer age-appropriate sexuality education for all students. Data from the United States indicate that exposure to comprehensive programs that detail puberty, intercourse, options of abstinence and birth control, and respecting the sexual rights and decisions of individuals, can help prevent unwanted pregnancies and hence reduce birth rates.

End all policies that reward parents financially based on the number of children they have. Governments can preserve and even increase tax and other financial benefits aimed at helping parents by linking these not to the number of children they have, but to parenthood status itself.

Integrate lessons on population, environment, and development into school curricula at multiple levels. Refraining from advocacy or propaganda, schools should educate students to make well-informed choices about the impacts of their behavior, including childbearing, on the environment.

Put prices on environmental costs and impacts. In quantifying the cost of an additional family member by calculating taxes and increased food costs, couples may decide that the cost of having an additional child is too high, compared to the benefits of a smaller family that might receive government rebates and have a lower cost of living. Such decisions, freely made by women and couples, can decrease birth rates without any involvement by non-parents in reproduction.

Adjust to an aging population instead of boosting childbearing through government incentives and programs. Population aging must be met with the needed societal adjustments, such as increased labor participation, rather than by offering incentives to women to have more children.

Convince leaders to commit to stabilizing population growth through the exercise of human rights and human development. By educating themselves on rights-based population policies, policymakers can ethically and effectively address population-related challenges by empowering women to make their reproductive choices.

Thoughts?

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: watchandwait410

Oh it gets better, we are raising chickens here and then sending them to China to get "processed" and then
sent back here.

One has to think why the hell is that a good thing??? How is that even cost effective?
How is that safe?

www.shape.com...

I buy local chickens, they taste so much better.
I find a lot of food especially meat is all starting to have an off fishy type taste.
Support local farmers and you'll probably live longer too.

You can thank US federal regulations for that! When people joke about about the draconian US regulatory environment one only needs to look to examples like this to see just how over the top these regulations are.

The day it becomes cost effective to send a single chicken to China to be slaughtered and cleaned and then send it back to the US again to be consumed...is the day people need to wake up and see just how CRAZY some of these regulations truly are!! We are allowing ourselves to be regulated into the GRAVE!!

a reply to: jtrenthacker

Actually pretty well put, but it doesnt address the economic calamity the ensues with a declining population. Especially regarding socialist programs like Social Security. Here you'll want to look more into Russia's recent post Cold War history.

And are you suggesting that Feminism is Population Control?

The United Nations already has a plan, coincidentally called 2030 Agenda For Sustainability. Goal #6 specifically indicated that the UN will control all of the world's potable water so that everybody gets screwed, I mean, has available water.
China's coming and we got no choice.

a reply to: jtrenthacker


"We have got to find a way to humanely reduce the world population. There are just way too many of us. I've read that the ideal world population should be about 1.5 - 2 billion. We are currently at 7.2 billion and projected to be 9.6 billion by the year 2050. We can't continue this trend."

Why not inspire someone and give your plan a start?

a reply to: ToddB
Good god!!! I was waiting for you to bring up the Georgia Guidestones BS, BS, BS. The world in NOT overpopulated. Just because you look at the people concentrations in cities you think it's overpopulated.
Take Germany, do you know why Angela Merkel invited foreign people into Germany? It was because the indigenous German people are dying as a race, they are losing the battle to keep a viable population.
Please look at an overall map of the USA of population density and other available land mass and see the uninhabited land compared to the inhabited land.
Do the same with Russia and even China with populations concentrated in cities it is quite easy to BS people into believing we are overpopulated, but look clearly at uninhabited land in those countries and that will answer you question.
Now just because the Elites want a smaller manageable population, not masses of people that they can lose control over, does not make it right.

a reply to: crayzeed
You mistook me for somebody else. I advised one jtrenthacker to start by euthanising himself as HIS plan for population reduction must start somewhere.
Admiral Byrd stated there is more good land beyond the Antarctic Ice than we could imagine! We have ooodles of land, I've driven cross-country and seen it. We just have improper "leaders" screwing everything up.

It's not the number of people, it's the vast amount of resources we consume. It's not sustainable. I never said we should start euthanizing people. We should just start looking for ways to slow or stop the world population growth.

a reply to: jtrenthacker

That and the splurging on garbage throw away products not worth fixing; not upcycling things. Laziness. Un-methodicalness. Etc.

a reply to: watchandwait410

If you truly think that #45 opposes China because of the consequences of their industrial pollution you are serverly mistaken. In fact, it appears that he wants to do the same in the US.

China is well aware of it's pollution problem and is aggressively seeking and implementing counter measures - as opposed to the powers that greed built in the US.

Yes - it's horrific and it's happening everywhere. The only hope is for !) war to stop and 2) for the people of the world to work in concert and 3) everybody has to sacrifice for the future health of the planet and it's inhabitants.

a reply to: watchandwait410

Are half the rivers really gone? and Do you think that China is running out of drinking water? and if so are they thinking about desalination plants to save them? Plus I thought ATS would be banned for some reason.

Yes many of the small rivers are gone or flow strictly underground these days. I doubt we are running out of drinking water but it depends on how you measure. If you mean ground water used for drinking then yes, if you include treated water then no.

They won't use desalination plants because it's too expensive. Gov't has addressed that a few times.

ATS is not banned in China. I can access on my iPhone over 4G China Unicom without a VPN. With VPN it is faster but VPNs may not work over 4G due to gov't blockage. Normally I do my ATS from home with a VPN though.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Sorry not correct. You need to buy a private VPN service to circumvent the Chinese firewall, no matter who you are in China, foreign nationals (me) included.

Everyone with the food pollution stuff, in general in China the same rule holds true as the rest of the world; the cheaper you eat the dirtier the food is.

If you eat at some mom and pop seafood restaurant or mom and pop grease joint locally ordering shrimp fried rice, guess what those shrimp probably ate? Maybe they aren't even shrimp, but crayfish? Maybe that beef ain't beef? Could be dog? Donkey? (Which tastes good properly prepared!) Horse?

I'm very sure I've eaten dog, donkey, and horse without knowing about it. I believe I have had rat as well in a small town but the wife won't confirm that. I'm still walking around so it must have been a clean rat.

China's problem is enforcement. They don't actively enforce anything unless it either benefits the gov't or keep social stability. The latter they only do when a big problem springs up like the baby deaths from tainted milk powder, which local powder produces have never really recovered from. They have laws similar to other countries and in some cases more strict but they don't enforce them.

Enforcement means those officials and office workers need to do REAL work instead of hang out all day and drink green tea while they play ping pong on break. Nooooo we can't interrupt their quality ping pong afternoon exercise!

a reply to: watchandwait410

Oh wow! China may need to get there # together. Hey! Maybe after Trump is done making America great again, he could run for presidency of China and make China great again. Why not right?