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posted on Sep, 21 2018 @ 01:37 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Fools

The hard data shows that the Democrats have higher voter enthusiasm (an 80% retention rate compared to the Republicans' 50% retention rate) and are overperforming by 17 points on average.

That doesn't seem like a party on the verge of collapse.


That explains why more and more Republicans took office after 2010.
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posted on Sep, 21 2018 @ 01:38 PM
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originally posted by: SgtHamsandwich

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Fools

You mean like the recent Virginia state elections? The ones where the Democrats made the biggest gains of either party in state history? Those state races?


The Browns won a game last night. Still doesn't make them a good team.


Nice analogy. Might I add, the Browns belong to a failing franchise currently killing itself as well, the NFL.



posted on Sep, 21 2018 @ 01:41 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

How will you convince us? Republicans have won more and more since 2010. Forget?



posted on Sep, 21 2018 @ 01:46 PM
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a reply to: LSU2018

I'm not planning on convincing you. Did you not read that post you responded to?



posted on Sep, 21 2018 @ 01:53 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Fools

The actual numbers aren't showing that. Even in special elections, which have a notoriously low voter turnout, the Dems are averaging 80% retention rate compared to what they had in 2016. The Republicans are barely managing 50%. We can also look at new people registering to the parties and the Dems are outpacing the Republicans by a fair amount.

Like I said, when you start looking at the hard data it paints a much different picture than the common narrative being pushed on ATS.


Where, in VA? Cascio-Ortez won her primary by getting, what, 13% of the voters in her district? The incumbent got 11%. That's not much of a turnout.



posted on Sep, 21 2018 @ 01:53 PM
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That’s because Feinstein, Pelosi and Waters are old with no really fruit bat crazy people to replace them. Or are there? That triggered girl in the meme looks to be loads of laughs. The OWS and Antifa crowd have loads of prospects.

I guess the DNC really won’t be dead until Soros gets tired of funding them, or dies without a trust fund setup properly to keep the party rolling.
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posted on Sep, 21 2018 @ 01:58 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: LSU2018

I'm not planning on convincing you. Did you not read that post you responded to?


Of course you don't plan on it because so many Republicans winning so many elections since 2010 means you can't. That's like me trying to convince you that the sky is blue. It probably makes you feel at ease thinking Republicans have become, or are becoming complacent but you'll soon see that we're nowhere close to that point. It'll be a long time before we get complacent enough to risk reverting back to the days of misery Americans suffered under Obama.



posted on Sep, 21 2018 @ 02:02 PM
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originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: LSU2018

I'm not planning on convincing you. Did you not read that post you responded to?


Of course you don't plan on it because so many Republicans winning so many elections since 2010 means you can't. That's like me trying to convince you that the sky is blue. It probably makes you feel at ease thinking Republicans have become, or are becoming complacent but you'll soon see that we're nowhere close to that point. It'll be a long time before we get complacent enough to risk reverting back to the days of misery Americans suffered under Obama.


Two things wrong with this post. I think both parties are becoming complacent. That's how Trump got elected, but if you look at all of the other candiates, like Cruz, Rubio...not exciting. Hillary could have beat them. That's a scary thought. Trump won't be around forever.

And Secondly....I lived through the Obama years. LOL Nobody was miserable. I ran a business, helped at a school, volunteered in the community, moved states, had a few different jobs, my house values went up. My family prospered. The country was in great shape. I don't see the misery. Just like the liberals today saying Trump is making America miserable right now, I'm not seeing that either. Life is pretty good for most Americans and it has been for the last 10 years or so.



posted on Sep, 21 2018 @ 02:11 PM
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a reply to: LSU2018

Yep you got me. DARN!



posted on Sep, 21 2018 @ 02:34 PM
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originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: LSU2018

I'm not planning on convincing you. Did you not read that post you responded to?


Of course you don't plan on it because so many Republicans winning so many elections since 2010 means you can't. That's like me trying to convince you that the sky is blue. It probably makes you feel at ease thinking Republicans have become, or are becoming complacent but you'll soon see that we're nowhere close to that point. It'll be a long time before we get complacent enough to risk reverting back to the days of misery Americans suffered under Obama.


Two things wrong with this post. I think both parties are becoming complacent. That's how Trump got elected, but if you look at all of the other candiates, like Cruz, Rubio...not exciting. Hillary could have beat them. That's a scary thought. Trump won't be around forever.

And Secondly....I lived through the Obama years. LOL Nobody was miserable. I ran a business, helped at a school, volunteered in the community, moved states, had a few different jobs, my house values went up. My family prospered. The country was in great shape. I don't see the misery. Just like the liberals today saying Trump is making America miserable right now, I'm not seeing that either. Life is pretty good for most Americans and it has been for the last 10 years or so.


I respectfully disagree. Trump was elected because he showed that he was the only candidate in the running that wouldn't cower to cries from the left. He was seen as a non serious candidate until he showed bravery by stating that illegals are a huge problem. That's when his popularity began to soar. Before that, it was a toss-up between Cruz and Rubio. We had to deal with Republicans cowering to cries from the left for 4 years as they did nothing they promised. Trump didn't get more Republican popular votes in history because we all got complacent. He got that along with 30 states because his ability not to bow down in the face of adversity.

Most of us lived in misery, including myself. We had a healthcare shoved down our throats that most tax payers didn't want and couldn't afford, we were penalized if we didn't purchase it, our taxes went up in January 2013, enough so that I could have paid my water bill and half my gas bill with the extra that was taken out each week, ISIS was formed in the wake of Obama pulling troops out of the Middle Least, hundreds were killed in shootings and bombings in the name of ISIS, illegals flooded America, racial and political division reached an all time high, unemployment was high, finding a job was tough, wages were stagnant, people on government assistance reached highs and in 2015 the takers outnumbered the makers, the stock market barely crept along, and the list goes on. Hillary lost in 30 states, 2,654 Counties, and 2,822,737 square miles because she ran on 4 more years.

The only thing above that hasn't changed is that we're still stuck with obamacare. Life is MUCH better with Trump in the White House.



posted on Sep, 21 2018 @ 02:44 PM
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I still don't see the misery though. My taxes go up every year pretty much whether we have a republican or democrat in the presidency. My health insurance rates go up every year too. Every single year. they always have. I, personally, didn't notice a big difference under Obamacare. One thing is the pre existing condition clause which allowed my wife to move jobs and still get insurance. That was huge. Try having someone in your family unable to get a different/better job because they have cancer and won't be able to get insurance.

You mentioned ISIS, but ISIS is just the Taliban which was created in Afganistan under Reagan to fight the Soviet invasion, and then they turned into Al Queda when Bush invaded IRAQ. Obama didn't create them, they were already there. They just changed names a couple of times.

I also get that we need to secure our borders, but I've lived in Oregon, Washington and Now Nevada and spend a lot of time in Arizona and California. And I don't see a flood of illegal immigrants causing crimes or stealing jobs. Where do they do this at?

So what kind of misery did you live in that was caused by Obama. It couldn't have been illegals, or taxes or healthcare costs, unless you were the one person in the country who's taxes and health insurance costs never went up in the last 20 years until Obama took office and you live int he one weird city/town that somehow got flooded with illegals.

I mean, maybe that really happened to you. Let me know and I'll research it. But keep in mind that no matter how good things are someone/some people always have it bad or are suffering. No economy is good for every one. And anyone could be the victim of a crime or have their jobs taken by someone, but to blame Obama for that seems a bit...odd?
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posted on Sep, 21 2018 @ 02:53 PM
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a reply to: YouSir
Nope, try reading up some Geopolitics experts like Alfredo Jalife & Eric Zuesse, you'll get a different view of the world state...



posted on Sep, 21 2018 @ 03:05 PM
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originally posted by: amazing
a reply to: LSU2018

I still don't see the misery though. My taxes go up every year pretty much whether we have a republican or democrat in the presidency. My health insurance rates go up every year too. Every single year. they always have. I, personally, didn't notice a big difference under Obamacare. One thing is the pre existing condition clause which allowed my wife to move jobs and still get insurance. That was huge. Try having someone in your family unable to get a different/better job because they have cancer and won't be able to get insurance.

You mentioned ISIS, but ISIS is just the Taliban which was created in Afganistan under Reagan to fight the Soviet invasion, and then they turned into Al Queda when Bush invaded IRAQ. Obama didn't create them, they were already there. They just changed names a couple of times.

I also get that we need to secure our borders, but I've lived in Oregon, Washington and Now Nevada and spend a lot of time in Arizona and California. And I don't see a flood of illegal immigrants causing crimes or stealing jobs. Where do they do this at?

So what kind of misery did you live in that was caused by Obama. It couldn't have been illegals, or taxes or healthcare costs, unless you were the one person in the country who's taxes and health insurance costs never went up in the last 20 years until Obama took office and you live int he one weird city/town that somehow got flooded with illegals.

I mean, maybe that really happened to you. Let me know and I'll research it. But keep in mind that no matter how good things are someone/some people always have it bad or are suffering. No economy is good for every one. And anyone could be the victim of a crime or have their jobs taken by someone, but to blame Obama for that seems a bit...odd?


Obama years weren't miserable but I'd say stagnant.

The recovery was lack luster because Obama created a cloud of uncertainty over business with their regulatory zeal. The reason the economy really extended it's legs after Trump took office is because they don't feel the Feds are against them. They want to invest in their companies. It is hard to do that when you have bureaucrats lording over your every move waiting to pounce on you because you didn't cross a T on page 9 of some form.

Trump is far from perfect. He certainly isn't "Presidential". However, I voted for him because he speaks his mind doesn't have a wet noodle for a spine. He is a doer and I think wants to see the best for the country even if he is a uncouth oaf.

Trump is what most Republicans want in a candidate. They want someone basically say what we are all thinking and who isn't afraid to call out the opposition on their BS.

I voted for Obama in '08. Not in 2012. Obama to me was like the business professor in the classic Going Back to School. Trump is Rodney Dangerfield.




posted on Sep, 21 2018 @ 03:26 PM
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I think the part you are overlooking in your analysis is that the new illiberal left wouldn't be making this push now if they thought the GOP was a real threat. They don't, and they're not. The GOP is little more than controlled opposition at this point. Their last stand was when they pushed through Citizen's United thinking it would give them more political clout, but failing to realize that the vast majority of corporate America is actually controlled by the new illiberal left. The GOP is the party that committed suicide. The Democratic party was always meant to transmogrify into the Democratic-Socialist's party after the GOP was completely neutralized.

Just look at the 2016 election as evidence that the GOP is no more. What valid candidates did they have in the end? We were essentially picking between two Clinton-Democrats with a couple of communists and a nutbar libertarian bringing up the rear. The new illiberal left didn't really mind Trump winning because they knew they'd be dealing with a political novice against an entire machine and they'd be able to de-legitimize any last vestiges of the GOP platform in the eyes of the younger voters by linking it with Trump (whether it was true or not). Trump winning actually only accomplished one thing, it sped up their timeline.

The new illiberal left played a masterful game in 2016 and beyond. Which is what truly has me worried going forward and why I've given little thought to Trump's administration and their bloviating antics. If you're still thinking in terms of Republicans versus Democrats then you are really not seeing the forest through the trees.



posted on Sep, 21 2018 @ 03:27 PM
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And Secondly....I lived through the Obama years. LOL Nobody was miserable. I ran a business, helped at a school, volunteered in the community, moved states, had a few different jobs, my house values went up. My family prospered. The country was in great shape. I don't see the misery. Just like the liberals today saying Trump is making America miserable right now, I'm not seeing that either. Life is pretty good for most Americans and it has been for the last 10 years or so.


My personal experience was similar, with one glaring exception. I have had two major medical issues within my immediate family within the last year. Because of the Obamacare changes that the democrats passed without even caring what was in it, I have never been tasked so much financially in my entire life. Luckily at this time I was financially stable enough to handle it.
I had a similar blast of family health care issues at some point pre-Obamacare. It was all relatively affordable with the insurance I had at the time - which is the same I have now.

Without a doubt, the ACA was written completely by health insurance companies and anyone that thinks not is totally fooling themselves.

The fact that the Republican house and senate leadership did not allow a vote to repeal the horrendous act is only more proof that it was a corporate dream bill.

Thank God Paul Ryan is leaving. Mitch - you can retire as well - you have already done enough good for China. It is time for you to leave.



posted on Sep, 21 2018 @ 03:47 PM
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I lived through the Obama years. LOL Nobody was miserable.

This.

This is the reason why there even are threads such as this.

This will be the reason, should it happen, for the dissolution of the DNC.

You were not alone in those Obama years. Others lived through them as well. Quite a few others lived through them, seeing as they ended less than 2 short years ago. And regardless of what you have chosen to believe, yes there was misery. I was miserable. Most people I know were miserable. You do not get to define what I consider misery. All you get to do by trying to do so is inform me that you, like every Democratic candidate, cares less than nothing about me and the people I know. Less than nothing. As in, they apparently gain some sort of perverted pleasure by causing misery among others.

I understand that you want people like me to just go away... sorry, not gonna happen. I made my attempt, but I survived the surgery... sorry. Now as long as I breathe, which I am told will be for a good long while yet, I will oppose any of the cock-a-mammy whacko socialist ideals that come down the pike. I am not a Republican... I have said that many times... but after what I have seen over the last couple of decades, I doubt I will ever be able to mark a ballot for a Democrat again. Ever. That's a long time.

Why never? Because this has shown me that there is no good left in the DNC. It has shown me that those who support the DNC don't have anywhere near the compassion of the Republicans, which in itself is such an extreme statement that it should shock any sane person. I do not want a single Democrat left in government, for as long as one exists, the movement again has an opportunity to grow. For the same reason, I do not want a single tumor in my body.

That's right; I said it. The DNC is a cancer on society.

TheRedneck



posted on Sep, 21 2018 @ 03:55 PM
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He was seen as a non serious candidate until he showed bravery by stating that illegals are a huge problem. That's when his popularity began to soar.

That is the largest problem with the Republicans that I see now: timidity. Trump may be an arrogant, ego-driven megalomaniac, but he has the guts to take on the establishment to accomplish what he wants. I've lived my life having to fight, scrape, and scratch for everything I got. Not once did I complain, and not once did I back down. Now I am seeing an entire generation Americans who have divided themselves into one of two camps: Democrats who are sadistic and manipulative; Republicans who are timid and weak. The rest of us are stuck in the middle, fighting evil alone. Whatever happened to the American spirit?

I want it back.

TheRedneck



posted on Sep, 21 2018 @ 04:24 PM
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a reply to: amazing

I never said they were stealing jobs. I explained to you why my life was worse under Obama's administration. I can guarantee you I'm not the only one. And my taxes don't go up every year. I'm in the Middle Class, you said you own a business so maybe that's why. We implemented a new raise system here where I work due to the new tax reform because we could afford to so maybe your business is much bigger than the one I work for.



posted on Sep, 21 2018 @ 04:28 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: LSU2018


He was seen as a non serious candidate until he showed bravery by stating that illegals are a huge problem. That's when his popularity began to soar.

That is the largest problem with the Republicans that I see now: timidity. Trump may be an arrogant, ego-driven megalomaniac, but he has the guts to take on the establishment to accomplish what he wants. I've lived my life having to fight, scrape, and scratch for everything I got. Not once did I complain, and not once did I back down. Now I am seeing an entire generation Americans who have divided themselves into one of two camps: Democrats who are sadistic and manipulative; Republicans who are timid and weak. The rest of us are stuck in the middle, fighting evil alone. Whatever happened to the American spirit?

I want it back.

TheRedneck



Exactly!



posted on Sep, 21 2018 @ 05:41 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: amazing


I lived through the Obama years. LOL Nobody was miserable.

This.

This is the reason why there even are threads such as this.

This will be the reason, should it happen, for the dissolution of the DNC.

You were not alone in those Obama years. Others lived through them as well. Quite a few others lived through them, seeing as they ended less than 2 short years ago. And regardless of what you have chosen to believe, yes there was misery. I was miserable. Most people I know were miserable. You do not get to define what I consider misery. All you get to do by trying to do so is inform me that you, like every Democratic candidate, cares less than nothing about me and the people I know. Less than nothing. As in, they apparently gain some sort of perverted pleasure by causing misery among others.

I understand that you want people like me to just go away... sorry, not gonna happen. I made my attempt, but I survived the surgery... sorry. Now as long as I breathe, which I am told will be for a good long while yet, I will oppose any of the cock-a-mammy whacko socialist ideals that come down the pike. I am not a Republican... I have said that many times... but after what I have seen over the last couple of decades, I doubt I will ever be able to mark a ballot for a Democrat again. Ever. That's a long time.

Why never? Because this has shown me that there is no good left in the DNC. It has shown me that those who support the DNC don't have anywhere near the compassion of the Republicans, which in itself is such an extreme statement that it should shock any sane person. I do not want a single Democrat left in government, for as long as one exists, the movement again has an opportunity to grow. For the same reason, I do not want a single tumor in my body.

That's right; I said it. The DNC is a cancer on society.

TheRedneck


LOL Laughing cause you do this from time to time with me. I'm not a democrat, in fact I voted Libertarian last presidential election.

Also, How are you doing, heard you had some major surgery? Hope you're recovering well.

I don't want you to go away or people like you. I want honest discourse and dialogue. If I speak of "socialism or socialist ideals" i'm generally speaking for safety nets and public projects, not Venezuela or taking away freedoms.

I agree with your last sentence 100%. DNC is a cancer on Society.

But, I disagree with you on one key aspect. The Obama years were like any presidential season. Some people had it good some bad. I had it good as did my entire family in Washington, Oregon, Maryland, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, California, Texas, Arizona, DC and Virginia. That's a pretty big cross section of the country. You may have had it bad, but many did not. And I don't know if it can all be blamed on Obama, just like if anyone is suffering now, how much of that is Trump's fault? Does that make sense? Probably not saying it right.
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