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Serious question: did you ever even try to win an argument with a staunch holocaust denier? Spoiler-alert: you can't! All you can do is mock the crap out of it, your whole thread relies on a silly superstition with no bearing on the hard facts of life.
That's kinda revealing. You folks always argue from a rather egocentrical consumer standpoint and disregard any and all empathy for the victims dignity. The lack of critical thinking you mention is marginal compared to the lack of empathy in this society, or in Chomsky for that matter.
originally posted by: angeldoll
Firstly, your avatar is awesome. The lines... colors.. a pleasure to look at.
If we examine how Russian propaganda effected our last election, it becomes clear that it is a problem.
It was a big problem in the 2016 elections, with people buying into it with a seemingly insatiable appetite, which still exists, and which is seen everyday on the internet.
There are people, apparently millions who are unable to discern what is real, from what isn't, and that realization is being taken advantage of, and will only become more advanced now that it is has been established how susceptible to it the American public is.
originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: Aphorism
Propaganda has the tides of the State and sympathetic MSM maintaining a powerful current. It's like water to fishes in the sense we're immersed in it without comprehending the overwhelming scale of its influence. Imo.
originally posted by: surfer_soul
a reply to: Aphorism
You make some good points and I think I understand where you’re coming from, I’m fairly certain advertising has no effect on me for example.
The trouble with propaganda is when it used to manipulate people’s beliefs, persuading them to think or do something they otherwise wouldn’t have.
The good news is there has been so much of it dished out from all sides that people are not as susceptible to it any more. It might not seem so right now but it’s definitely going that way. Any clamping down on this that or the other will just make people sit up and take notice of that which is being suppressed.
I am skeptical of the premise that Russian propaganda effected the election, simply because the effect is non-demonstrable.
I have never debated holocaust denier, no. But if I knew a person who was travelling down that road, I would like to have the arguments ready to persuade him otherwise. Not everyone takes kindly to bullying and mocking, and I fear such an approach would only entrench them further in their beliefs. You can't mock someone out of their beliefs.
I just don't think it's true, nor helpful, that people should blame others for the way they think.
originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: [post=23785505]Aphorism[/post
I am skeptical of the premise that Russian propaganda effected the election, simply because the effect is non-demonstrable.
What? It's in yo face demonstrable. lol. Did you not read the threads here during the election?
Facebook alone has deleted hundreds of bogus accounts, mostly Russians.
People gulped that tripe down like......Kool Aid. Then added to it and dispersed it widely. Of course it had an effect on the outcome. When you've been led to believe the opposing candidate is a serial killer, runs a child sex ring out of pizza parlor, and has multiple deadly, disabling diseases, of course you are going to go the other way.
Yeah. But who cares what and how you think?
What's it you wanna talk about now, people you could argue with or the business model? Try a different approach then? Ask critical questions regarding Bush and their oily profits from dealing with the Nazis, or how certain parts of the British Royaly conspired with them? Some pepole are just potential conspiracy theorists in dire need of a better media diet, but they don't write books to earn a few bucks with lies. There's a bigger conspiracy veiled in a riddle to explore. I bet you could find a few ATS threads on this, if I could just find this famous site one day...