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Brexit is a Mess, how do we Fix it.

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posted on Oct, 5 2018 @ 09:04 AM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Axius

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: SprocketUK
From government uk site
4.1 Contents of your company’s accounts

Generally, accounts must include:

a profit and loss account (or income and expenditure account if the company is not trading for profit)a balance sheet signed by a director on behalf of the board and the printed name of that directornotes to the accountsgroup accounts (if appropriate)

And accounts must generally be accompanied by;

a directors’ report signed by a secretary or director and their printed name, including a business review (or strategic report) if the company does not qualify as smallan auditors’ report stating the name of the auditor and signed and dated by him (unless the company is exempt from audit).


fullfact.org...

Here's a table of all the errors and times that the eu own auditors signed off the accounts despite them failing the fair test.

And they still will not publish them for the people who pay the taxes to examine.

It's 2018 we deserve more openness, more democracy, more accountability. Not less




originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Axius
I wonder what would happen if the UK requested a financial audit of Brussels to "ensure we paid what we owed".
I imagine that the risk of expenses and other financial scandals would be cause for a rapid change in the EU's approach to negotiations.

What do you guys/girls think?


The EU already is audited every year.


No. The eu court of auditors sign off the accounts, even when there are significant errors.
They never, ever, release the accounts for audit. Even a tiny little limited company has to have its accounts audited externally, failure to do so smacks of fraud.


The court of auditors is independent authority the same way as the NAO is an independent authority in the UK. Can you point to an external company audit for the UK accounts?

Its an entirely false claim that they sign off even when there are errors. What they do us highlight where they believe spending has been done outwith the EU guidelines. 80% of EU spending is done by national governments.



The EU isn't a company just as the UK government isn't.

Here is the full article that your table comes from

fullfact.org...

Certainly worth reading in full.



According to the "Audits" that have been performed so far 2 - 3.1% of payments made by the EU are subject to error. Considering that the EU yearly budget is approximately €145 bn a year (2015), that would mean somewhere between €2.0 bn and €4.5 bn of payments are found to be in error.

To me this hints to corruption or an expenses scandal.



If you read the article linked it discusses that and how it compares to national governments.

The majority of that 3 % is not following EU guidelines. Not fraud.

Also 80% of EU spending is conducted by national governments, so we might want to look closer to home for the fault.


I am aware the the reported 3.1% relates to payments not in line with EU guidelines. However I can find no information as to what these errors were, how they were addressed, corrected etc. This is what gives me cause for concern.

National governments, regardless of nation, should also be held responsible for erroneous EU spending. I am not trying to imply that the problem only lies within Brussels. I think the problem stems from the system and the lack of transparency that gives easy rise to people looking to exploit the system.

Where there is money and power there is likely to be corruption, politics has a tendency to attract those with sociopathic traits. The EU just happens to be a huge sprawling organisation that has a great deal of funding. To say there is no corruption or fraud going on would be naive.




posted on Oct, 5 2018 @ 10:00 AM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

There was no defined right to live or work. Even travel could require a visa.



Travel never required a visa I took the family abroad a couple of times a

year on 'one year' passports ...... remember them


The only visa I ever needed was to India, never for the EU.


As for living and working in the EU, I have three cousins living there.


One took his family out to France about the 80's and bought barns

which he renovated and is still out there.


One went out there when she was 18 yrs in 1968 and is still out there


The other has lived in America and Malta and is now living in Italy and

has an olive grove.


So it can't be that difficult!!



posted on Oct, 5 2018 @ 10:49 AM
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a reply to: eletheia

People have always been able to travel, live and work across Europe. The difference is it will no longer be a right.

I think its unlikely there be onerous visa requirements for travel, however there may be some.

For work and residence it will be more complicated. Any agreement is going to reciprocal so if we maintain the same level of freedom as now then so will EU citizens to the UK. Kind of undermines one of the main reasons given for leaving.



posted on Oct, 6 2018 @ 11:12 PM
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a reply to: ScepticScot
Unlucky fella, we're leaving the EU no matter how much you whinge on ATS.
No second referendum for you lol.



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 02:53 AM
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Brexit is not a mess, it is sacrosanct! Brexit will be timely and HARD. There's no need for additional votes or "fixes" of any kind to it.



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 04:27 AM
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originally posted by: Flanker86
Brexit is not a mess, it is sacrosanct! Brexit will be timely and HARD. There's no need for additional votes or "fixes" of any kind to it.


I doubt that it will be hard as not even Theresa 'I am a political incompetent' May wants the country to commit economic suicide.



posted on Oct, 12 2018 @ 05:18 AM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin



Some more than others or so it seems.



posted on Oct, 12 2018 @ 06:24 AM
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a reply to: andy06shake

Truly makes me want to vomit.
The inequalities in our country disgusts me....that so many people don't see that and ignorantly acquiesce to these inequalities dismays me.



posted on Oct, 12 2018 @ 12:02 PM
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a reply to: Freeborn

I'm surprised our beloved authorities were not out with the road sweepers cleaning up the homeless and undesirables for that royal wedding.

But hey, that is what our beloved boys and blue are for these days.


I think i know who the real criminals are to be honest, and they are not so much in it with us, as above us.



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