Brexit is a Mess, how do we Fix it.

a reply to: Flavian


Well, yes, but we seem to be going along with the result.

originally posted by: Dwoodward85
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Out is out and it should've happened two years ago when the vote was done. Trade deals can be done later. We leave and we should leave as soon as possible. All the BS about the flow of trade stopping is total bunk it would continue as is but with checks it might take time to sort out trade but we would be free from the EU.

Trade deals done later? We already have a trade deal right now.................................. It's called the Single Market By leaving the EU we leave the trade deal. We are out. That's it done deal with all the negatives that go with it. We are out of something everybody else id desperate to get into. Done deal. We can expect nothing else as we are out of the deal. The trade deal is the Single Market. For members of the EU.

originally posted by: Flavian

No mate, that's not what i was saying at all. Im saying there is no point to referendums in the UK as they have no legal basis. So either give them a legal basis (enshrine them in law) or do away with them completely.

I'm sure that is one of the reasons why many people voted to leave?

To make our own laws without the interference of the EU .....we've

been shackled to them for 45 years, only surprised they didn't manage

to enshrine them into our laws in that time.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

The EU does trade deals with countries outside the EU and not members of the EU bloc. Trade deals can be done later. America, China, Canada, India need I go? You don't have to be part of the EU to trade with the EU which is what my comment meant as I'm sure can be easily taken from said comment. I never said the single market and never said free trade although that'll happen I'm sure.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: ScepticScot


No, but we are all part of the UK. The rest of Europe is not. Surely, us English should get to vote about a major constitutional change like independence that affects us?

Does the UK leaving the EU not affect other EU citizens?

a reply to: Dwoodward85

The EU = the single market. You're either in or you're out. That is the deal. It is an enormous protectionist block and by not being a member we threaten that if we get true free trade. They put themselves first before the UK as that is financially more important in addition to being the world largest trading block. Never mind we can go trade with New Zealand and Kenya instead

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: Dwoodward85

The EU = the single market. You're either in or you're out. That is the deal. It is an enormous protectionist block and by not being a member we threaten that if we get true free trade. They put themselves first before the UK as that is financially more important in addition to being the world largest trading block. Never mind we can go trade with New Zealand and Kenya instead

The EU is 27 countries ...... some quite small.

There are 195 countries world wide so the EU is only 13.8% of the world.

So whats wrong with trading with the other 86% of the world. Why stop at Kenya

and New Zealand? Whats wrong with trading with Canada, Australia, USA, Japan,

South Africa, and all the other countries on the African continent, Malaysia,

Singapore, Indonisa, India (second largest populated country in the world)


When I was in sales loosing a large national account was no excuse for not meeting

target,we were told to get of our backsides and find new accounts to fill the gap!!!

a reply to: eletheia

We are part of Europe Eletheia not India, Singapore or New Zealand. Indeed we are at this very moment in time totally integrated into Europe (the biggest trading block on Planet Earth) and now we are going to be forced out of it so we can go buy coffee beans from the Kenyans and lamb fro New Zealand. What a farce, what a total and utter farce!

All these other countries around the world..................... They don't play our European game and many don't play it fair too. In Europe we have a continent that is melting together and have very similar economic aims. We have a somewhat closed economy that protects us from the outside world that is truly corrupt and don't play it fair. Most of the world outside the EU can be described as gangster states. Total gangster states full of corruption and states that don't play it fair. You want us to join them in business I am seriously beginning to think some outside influence has been meddling with our water supply in the UK to what has happened here. It's all madness total madness

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Bleating about it like New Zealand lambs ain't gonna change anything though lol
There are as many people on both sides of the argument spouting predictions, you know nothing more than anyone else does but you only read the doom porn.
Remember OMGZ Britain would die after a no vote, no it didn't and we're pottering along quite well.

We'll never find agreement but I'm glad I'm not consumed by fear as you are, perhaps you should read articles from both sides of the argument and you may be less scared?

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

There are as many people on both sides of the argument spouting predictions, you know nothing more than anyone else does but you only read the doom porn.

No........................ No doom porn CCG just actual reality on the ground. Everyone I know is aping 20p in the pound more for their EU ware now due to Brexit. That's today CCG, not theoretical doom porn but reality on the ground. Call a 20% uplift on buying goods right here right now today "pottering along?" Definitely not

Let me please clarify for all you people that keep harping on about "the British people have spoken, we want out" and "it would go against what the British people voted for".
Please, oh please go and read the document that gave the referendum it's mandate.
The European Union Referendum vAvt of 2115 which the British government pushed through to give legal precedent to it.
The optimum words of the act which I will put in capitals for you.
It states that is A LEGAL PROVISION FOR A NON BINDING REFERENDUM.
So all your arguments for a binding vote by the British people are quite, quite erroneous as the government at any time can just say we are not leaving and staying in. As the vote was NON BINDING.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter
Sorry to hear you're so skint.
Life hasn't changed much in my parts since the leave vote. All the predictions were doom porn and you know it lol
Unlucky, you lost the vote, and nope, I don't want a second referendum but if it happens I'll vote for no deal and WTO rules.
We'll never find agreement so do your thing and I'll do mine.

a reply to: crayzeed
Would be political suicide though lol, no way that is gonna happen unless there is a snap general election or something.

originally posted by: crayzeed
Let me please clarify for all you people that keep harping on about "the British people have spoken, we want out" and "it would go against what the British people voted for".
Please, oh please go and read the document that gave the referendum it's mandate.
The European Union Referendum vAvt of 2115 which the British government pushed through to give legal precedent to it.
The optimum words of the act which I will put in capitals for you.
It states that is A LEGAL PROVISION FOR A NON BINDING REFERENDUM.
So all your arguments for a binding vote by the British people are quite, quite erroneous as the government at any time can just say we are not leaving and staying in. As the vote was NON BINDING.

The Conservative Government took us into The Common Market in 1973 WITHOUT a Referendum

When the voices began being raised about the people not being consulted, a referendum was held in 1975 which the people by a large majority voted yes to stay in The EEC ( which the Common Market became ) This referendum was NON -BINDING.

So if you are complaining the referendum that voted OUT in 2016 was non-binding, then so was the referendum of 1975 that kept us in.

You can't have it both ways.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

CCG let's get real here, you live in a sleepy corner of the UK (lucky you btw nothing wrong with that and something I dream of one day seaside included and mackerel) where there will be no real economic change from Brexit. I'm in the centre of British industry chains planes and auromobiles lol and it makes a massive difference here. Already local companies are being crippled by the exchange rates caused directly by Brexit. Many EU based companies also are looking now to relocate their plants from here to the Continent as there is no consistency in basing parts of their business in a region that doesn't know where it's going and that wants out of the single market they thrive in on the Continent. It's hurting us around here CCG it really is

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

We are part of Europe Eletheia

Not for long...... I hope.

not India, Singapore or New Zealand. Indeed we are at this very moment in time totally integrated into Europe (the biggest trading block on Planet Earth) and now we are going to be forced out of it so we can go buy coffee beans from the Kenyans and lamb fro New Zealand. What a farce, what a total and utter farce!

Big isn't always best. I'd rather be a big fish in a small pool, than a small fish

in a big pool. Who is forcing us out? As a majority we voted OUT.

The trouble is we have gotten lazy resting on our laurels...... handed the reigns

over to the EU and they have been screwing us ever since.

All these other countries around the world..................... They don't play our European game and many don't play it fair too.

EU been playing fair? What rock have you been hiding under. The UK has been

paying them mega money to get screwed.

In Europe we have a continent that is melting together and have very similar economic aims.

Speak for yourself ..... thats NOT how I see it.

We have a somewhat closed economy that protects us from the outside world that is truly corrupt and don't play it fair. Most of the world outside the EU can be described as gangster states. Total gangster states full of corruption and states that don't play it fair. You want us to join them in business

I am seriously beginning to think some outside influence has been meddling with our water supply in the UK to what has happened here. It's all madness total madness

When things get closed we need to look further afield the world is a BIG place

in relation to Europe. ^^^^The bolded bit ^^^^

Describes the EU to a tee.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter
I get ya mate but it's been the opposite for us here, we've always been poor for six months of the year but this season I've never seen so many foreign tourists. 'D' and 'F' plated cars everywhere.
I've spoken to loads of foreign grockles as we call them and they have said the cheaper pound has made the difference.

We have had a fantastic season, everyone is buzzing about this summer, and there will always be winners and losers.
We're as forgotten about by London as any British region, more so in many ways so of course Brexit will make little difference to us.
We have benefited since the leave vote though massively.

There will be winners and losers but Britain will adapt and prosperity in the long term as it has done for thousands of years.

a reply to: alldaylong
Of course you can have it both ways. As stated"non binding", so in both instances the British government decided what they wanted.
A referendum in the UK is NOT legally binding, so legally the government can ignore the result and do what it wants.
Please look up the legal definitions and stop spouting "the British people must be obeyed" BS. The government WILL do what it wants and if you think that they are thinking about the British people in this Brexit then your sadly mistaken.

originally posted by: crayzeed

So all your arguments for a binding vote by the British people are quite, quite erroneous as the government at any time can just say we are not leaving and staying in. As the vote was NON BINDING.

Not if they want to stay in a political career.

All of them are only just clinging to power by their finger tips.

a reply to: crayzeed

A referendum in the UK is NOT legally binding, so legally the government can ignore the result and do what it wants

That is precisely my point.

The Government could have ignored the 1975 Referendum and took us OUT of The EEC.

They didn't obviously which is to your satisfaction.

Now you want the Government to ignore the 2016 Referendum and keep us in The E.U.

Yes, you do want it both ways. Happy to accept an non-binging referendum when it is in your favour, but wish to ignore it when it's not.