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False. The media guidelines already stated the AG had to sign off.
This is circumventing the media guidelines not adding to them.
They made fisa harder for journalists, but circumvented most of the protections they created for journalists in the media guidelines. Your evidence of them adding the AG signing off is actually evidence against you because that was already in the media guidelines.
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: introvert
Thanks for proving me right yet again.
The Media Guidelines are far from perfect, however, in their protection of journalists. One persistent criticism is that they do not apply to the use of National Security Letters (NSLs) or surveillance conducted under FISA.
Media guidelines do not apply to fisa. Exactly what I was saying.
Unfortunately, I don't see a lot of people discussing why the Media Guidelines don't apply in all cases. Instead they seem to be focusing on the fact that there were special rules that applied to journalists for FISA applications. Ignoring that these rules made it harder to obtain a FISA warrant on a journalist than anyone else.
originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: introvert
Occam is right. The Media Guidelines that were enacted in 2015 and were supposed to make it hard to monitor journalists don't apply to FISA or NSLs. Instead those use their own guidelines which are less stringent than the Media Guidelines.
Unfortunately, I don't see a lot of people discussing why the Media Guidelines don't apply in all cases. Instead they seem to be focusing on the fact that there were special rules that applied to journalists for FISA applications. Ignoring that these rules made it harder to obtain a FISA warrant on a journalist than anyone else.
Yes and it was a way to sugar coat them not using the media guidelines they established. They used fisa to circumvent the guidelines. This is what actual attacks on the press look like, and it's not Trump, but Obama who did it over and over again.
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: introvert
No, it doesn't. The guidelines have nothing to do with fisa and fisa circumvents them. Your source stated as much, stop being obtuse.
The first, from January 2015, issues secret guidance for targeting journalists under FISA. The guidance states that the Attorney General “determined that review of FISA applications targeting known media entities or known members of the media should occur at even higher levels than otherwise permitted by FISA and existing Attorney General orders.”
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: introvert
No, I quoted your own source. Guidelines Don't touch fisa at all anywhere. Fisa circumvented them.
It's circumvented because using the regular courts the government has to follow them. So they decided to not use regular courts and use fisa.
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: CriticalStinker
I really think this is all about sources. Obama went to great lengths to attack whistle blowers and journalists who were critical of him.
At a time when journalists' roles in covering different, critical conflict zones have been under the microscope, renewed attention has come to the case involving James Risen. He is the New York Times journalist who has been fighting efforts by two different Departments of Justice — under Presidents Obama and George W. Bush — to compel him to identify sources from a 2006 book that reveals a secret CIA plan to sabotage Iran's budding nuclear program.
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For the past five years, he has battled the Obama administration's Justice Department, which in 2009 took a rather unprecedented step of renewing a subpoena scheduled to expire that year.
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: introvert
No, it doesn't. The guidelines have nothing to do with fisa and fisa circumvents them. Your source stated as much, stop being obtuse.
The guidelines have everything to do with FISA.
From my source:
The first, from January 2015, issues secret guidance for targeting journalists under FISA. The guidance states that the Attorney General “determined that review of FISA applications targeting known media entities or known members of the media should occur at even higher levels than otherwise permitted by FISA and existing Attorney General orders.”