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Lisa Page bombshell: FBI couldn’t prove Trump-Russia collusion before Mueller appointment

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posted on Sep, 17 2018 @ 08:29 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust
Lisa Page says "no confirmation" of collusion before the Special Counsel was appointed. Isn't it his JOB to confirm if there was or was not collusion?

I like Strzok's statement better. "There's no EVIDENCE of collusion". Starting a S.C. investigation when there is no evidence, makes Mueller's witch-hunt ILLEGAL. (Just like Trump and his lawyers have been saying since August 30th.)


No it isn’t special councils job to confirm whether or not there is collusion .

FBI procedure is to find a crime then investigat it.

Not choose a suspect then look for a crime .




posted on Sep, 17 2018 @ 08:29 AM
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posted on Sep, 17 2018 @ 08:47 AM
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originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: Wide-Eyes

We paid for them to do it, now we are still paying (over $20 million now?) to keep it covered up. While still paying most of their salaries.

I would say what I really feel about it, but if memory serves when I do that with a few glasses of wine in me, I end up staggering off to bed with a maniacal laugh over the drunken perfection of what I posted.

Then in the morning I have to do the walk of shame to the computer and click on the ATS inbox, then see if the applause whatever-points I received over the week will somehow balance out all the "you are a bad girl and we removed stuff" whatever-points taken from me the night before.

So I hope this ends soon.



Hahahahaha!! I know that walk all too well!



posted on Sep, 17 2018 @ 08:53 AM
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originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: xuenchen


She says they never could confirm ANY Russian COLLUSION with Trump before the appointment of Mueller


If they could have confirmed "collusion" (conspiracy with the Russian government to meddle in the US elections), then what would have been the point of the SC?

The FBI would have informed Congress immediately, articles of impeachment would have been drafted, voted on and passed and the Senate would have removed Trump from office.


I am tired, but more tired of that line....

Collusion is not a crime.

Period.

Or Hillary would be in jail for paying for, through a foreign national, information provided by the Russians to influence the course of an election.

Good night.



Yes, collusion is illegal, depending on the form in which the collusion takes place.

IS there a law on the books specifically called collusion? No. That's because the crimes people can be charged with/violate are much more specific than just simple "collusion".
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posted on Sep, 17 2018 @ 09:01 AM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: xuenchen


She says they never could confirm ANY Russian COLLUSION with Trump before the appointment of Mueller


If they could have confirmed "collusion" (conspiracy with the Russian government to meddle in the US elections), then what would have been the point of the SC?

The FBI would have informed Congress immediately, articles of impeachment would have been drafted, voted on and passed and the Senate would have removed Trump from office.


I am tired, but more tired of that line....

Collusion is not a crime.

Period.

Or Hillary would be in jail for paying for, through a foreign national, information provided by the Russians to influence the course of an election.

Good night.



Yes, collusion is illegal, depending on the form in which the collusion takes place.

IS there a law on the books specifically called collusion? No. That's because the crimes people can be charged with/violate are much more specific than just simple "collusion".


Yep basically its illegal if Trump even thought about it.

But its not illegal if Hilary or Obama did it or tried to set Trump up for doing it.

You guys are losing big time. Trump is whipping your asses and you are looking like punch drunk idiots.
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posted on Sep, 17 2018 @ 09:03 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen


Look, I don't care what she says, maybe if I type slower trump followers will get this....

Jr, set up a meeting with the Russians, The MSM found out about the trump tower meeting and reports it to the public/ trump said he did not know about the meeting. Trump then dictates a letter, that the meeting was about adoption. The letter trump dictates is released to the American people.


Right after trumps "adoption letter" The NOT FAKE MSM, releases a leaked email, to a Russian agent "If its what you say I love it..

So far, we have two blatant lies, that are NOT FAKE NEWS, about this meeting.


During the meeting "trump knew nothing about" Jr, makes not one but two phone calls, both lasting several minutes. The calls were private, but I am certain that Muller has those phone records, and I am 99.99% sure it was trump. Jr says he can not remember who he called(BS). If he did call trump that just confirms that trump knew about the meeting.


How come, a meeting so inocent has multiple LIES surrounding it? Anyway the above is the very definition of collusion. The administration did not want the American people to know about the meeting to begin with. The administration lied about the real reason for the meeting, and then got caught RED HANDED, "if its what you say I love it."

Also, just to clear something else up...Fusion GPS was initially hired by REPUBLICANS to get dirt on trump, long before Clinton did....




A conservative publication said Friday it paid a Washington research firm to start probing Donald Trump's background — a move that set in motion a chain of events leading to the explosive dossier alleging ties between Trump associates and Russia.

AFTER trump won the republican nomination, Clinton hired Fusion and FUSION HIRED STEELE.

I know many of you are still in denial, Cohen and Manafort will clear that up for you.

www.washingtonpost.com... 8-e6288544af98_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f8f7e64567ee









posted on Sep, 17 2018 @ 09:52 AM
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Yep basically its illegal if Trump even thought about it.


Basically, or it is?

At this point, your statement is absolutely incorrect, so I assume you're just being a drama queen.



But its not illegal if Hilary or Obama did it or tried to set Trump up for doing it.


Of course it's not illegal. You actually have to commit a crime to be accused or convicted of it. What you speak of is some weird Right Wing fantasy concoction.

It's not even real.



You guys are losing big time. Trump is whipping your asses and you are looking like punch drunk idiots.


Ok. What does that have to do with what I said?

I'm not very interested in your emotional outbursts and manufactured loony fantasies that have no connection to reality.

Can you comment on the specific aspect I mentioned, or do I have to waste my time reading the rantings of someone that obviously can't help but make things up?

The stupidity gets old.



posted on Sep, 17 2018 @ 10:19 AM
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a reply to: introvert



Yes, collusion is illegal, depending on the form in which the collusion takes place.





Of course it's not illegal. You actually have to commit a crime to be accused or convicted of it. What you speak of is some weird Right Wing fantasy concoction.



So which is it: legal or illegal? So, what "form[s]" of collusion are you referring to?

The DNC acknowledge (though not at first) that they hired a foreign agent who used his Russian assets in an attempt to find dirt on the Trump campaign which would effect the outcome of the election. All done in an attempt to claim that the Trump campaign was colluding with foreign intelligence to affect the outcome of the election.



posted on Sep, 17 2018 @ 10:29 AM
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a reply to: timequake



So which is it: legal or illegal? So, what "form[s]" of collusion are you referring to?


It appears you are confusing two separate issues that I commented on.

One was about collusion. The other about a Right Wing creation.



The DNC acknowledge (though not at first) that they hired a foreign agent who used his Russian assets in an attempt to find dirt on the Trump campaign which would effect the outcome of the election. All done in an attempt to claim that the Trump campaign was colluding with foreign intelligence to affect the outcome of the election.


See. A creation born out of ignorance and lack of understanding of context.

That is not my problem to address. You have to do that on your own.



posted on Sep, 17 2018 @ 10:41 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Well, to be fair, even though I find the investigation to be frivolous and rather silly, investigations exist BECAUSE something has not been proven. If they had proof of it, they wouldn't need an investigation.



posted on Sep, 17 2018 @ 11:04 AM
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now the madness can stop.

trump should go on a dictator-like rampage

....
off with their heads.

this has caused the country, Americans, to revert to a really ugly place. a place we don't need to go into.



posted on Sep, 17 2018 @ 11:09 AM
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originally posted by: odzeandennz
now the madness can stop.

trump should go on a dictator-like rampage

....
off with their heads.

this has caused the country, Americans, to revert to a really ugly place. a place we don't need to go into.


You're not the first person to say such a thing and I am not all that surprised to hear another person saying it.



posted on Sep, 17 2018 @ 11:25 AM
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a reply to: introvert






Collusion is not a crime.



To which you replied:




Yes, collusion is illegal


And again....



But its not illegal if Hilary or Obama did it or tried to set Trump up for doing it.


to which you replied.



Of course it's not illegal.


They both refer to collusion. That is unless you honesty believe that its okay sometimes but not others? You really do seem confused. But I understand. the WaPo and CNN will do that to you.



posted on Sep, 17 2018 @ 12:16 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: odzeandennz
now the madness can stop.

trump should go on a dictator-like rampage

....
off with their heads.

this has caused the country, Americans, to revert to a really ugly place. a place we don't need to go into.


You're not the first person to say such a thing and I am not all that surprised to hear another person saying it.


I mean, what else do we want at this point? seriously?
how much more can we keep trying to save face?

I don't think trump has the smarts it takes to orchestrate such an elusive political scheme, still ambiguous to this day.
if Cohen and amorosa were both cunning enough to double cross trump, imagine what a government like Russia could do.

let's not kid ourselves.

how can trump fumble something as simple as paying off a porn star, or leaves a trail of sexual misconduct, bankruptcy, several times...etc. yet he can devise a collusion scheme with Russia so air tight, no intelligence agency can drop a definitive hammer on this case?

no....
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posted on Sep, 17 2018 @ 12:35 PM
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a reply to: timequake

It's pointless to argue, don't even waste your time.

This one is long gone too.
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posted on Sep, 17 2018 @ 12:51 PM
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They both refer to collusion. That is unless you honesty believe that its okay sometimes but not others? You really do seem confused. But I understand. the WaPo and CNN will do that to you.


Yes, but the last comment I made was in reference to made up Right Wing concoctions about Obama, etc, not being a crime.

No. The made-up conspiracies about Obama and Hillary are not indicative of a crime.

You are conflating two separate posts and issues.

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posted on Sep, 17 2018 @ 12:52 PM
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a reply to: odzeandennz



I mean, what else do we want at this point? seriously? how much more can we keep trying to save face?


So Trump should go on a dictator-like rampage?



posted on Sep, 17 2018 @ 01:11 PM
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Really?

WTF

There would be no need for an investigation if they could have proved collusion in the first place nor is it a prerequisite to prove such before an investigation.

It is not a bombshell but a silly attempt to spin facts and history for clicks.

Things like this dumb us down.




posted on Sep, 17 2018 @ 01:15 PM
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I hope President Trump is nearing the end of his patience. Time to go on OFFENSE.



posted on Sep, 17 2018 @ 01:15 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
I hope President Trump is nearing the end of his patience. Time to go on OFFENSE.


And do what, exactly?




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