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Tell It To The Judge - Choose 1 Incident, 1 Pic, and 1 Film as exhibits of Best Evidence

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posted on Sep, 16 2018 @ 02:46 PM
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The Judge and Jury are patiently waiting... and he's a grumpy old sod, peering down at you over his spectacles with disdain and potential ridicule.



For some of you, the exhibits may ALL relate to the same case, or some other permutation and combination, but that's up to you. Cool? Cool.

I'll approach them first...



Exhibit 1: Best Incident


Rendlesham Forest, UK, 26th-28th Dec 1980





It was a close call but our dear old mate, Rendlesham Forest, wins for me. Still breathing after nearly 38 years - a new documentary 'Capel Green' is imminent; one personnel's DNA was recently analysed; and TTSA are testing 'material' - this baby has it all. Often referred to as 'Britain's Roswell', that may be a curse rather than a recommendation.


IN A NUTSHELL (for the full, epic journey, visit Mirageman's Rendlesham thread): Covering three consecutive nights, we have statements from USAF personnel stationed at RAF Woodbridge, who, early on 26th Dec 1980, in response to a potential crashed aircraft, follow strange lights through a forest (possibly from a landed triangular object) until reaching a field where nothing but a lighthouse beam can be seen. The next night, a female lieutenant, so traumatised by a blue light that penetrates her vehicle, is taken off duty. Early on 28th, Colonel Halt, alerted to fresh lights, leads a search party, taking radiation readings and soil samples from a 'landing site'. They witness various lights including a 'blinking' red orb that leads them to a field where it splits into three. Star-like objects then send down thin beams of light, possibly onto the USAF base. A tape recording, narrated by Halt, covers most of these events.


So far, so good. After gathering extra info not included in initial statements for the first night (eg, a 'triangular craft'), Halt waits until 13th Jan 1981 to send a now-infamous memo to the Ministry Of Defence. Rather brief, dry and deliberately non-sensational, the memo remained a secret until 1983 when UK tabloid 'The News Of The World' broke the story.


What makes the case both fascinating and frustrating is: the non-disclosure until 1983; the lighthouse only being visible from the 'landing site' and not from the base where reported lights began the saga; the sheer quality of witnesses; but also the rivalry amongst them. Eg, Larry Warren either witnessed a spectacular event where the Base Commander greeted three light entities from a damaged craft that he agreed to repair(!), all recorded on film... or... he conflated others' accounts and gossip, adding fancy décor to create a big fat lie (written up as 'Left At East Gate' (1997), now disowned by his co-author). Oddly, Warren's tale matches gossip spread around local pubs shortly after the incident by a base member using a false name, often regarded as a disinformation agent, but WHY?


Airman John Burroughs (whose DNA was analysed) has this week retired from the case - a witness on the first but also the third night when he was allegedly bathed in a blue light after Halt (returning from the field) gave permission to pursue a blue orb. He was accompanied by Sgt Bustinza who is also crucial to Warren's story! John, whose account has remained consistent, bemoans the first night's co-witness Jim Penniston embellishing his story to include touching the craft and drawing alleged insignia in his notebook, as well as mentally 'downloading' and writing down binary codes - which all pointed to time-travellers from the future!


See what I mean? It's all here! The Rendlesham Forest case is BIG, it's unwieldy, it's messy, and will probably endure so long as Charles Halt keeps saying unhelpful guff like this:




”Dude, I secretly KNOW this bitch is ALIEN, but I ain't tellin' y'all diddly-squat!”



Thanks, Chuck. Very helpful.



Exhibit 2: Best Photograph


Paul Trent, Sheridan, Oregon, 11th May 1950





Some may slap their heads, but the two infamous 1950 “Paul Trent” photographs (aka “McMinnville” albeit a geographical misnomer) stand the test of time for me, the above underside angle being my choice of pic for its sheer 'weightiness'.


On 11th May 1950, at 19:30, Mrs Trent witnessed a metallic disc slowly gliding from the northeast. Her hubby took two shots before it sped off, but didn't develop the film until finishing the roll. On 8th June, the front-page of the 'Telephone Register' newspaper screamed: “At long last – Authentic Photographs Of Flying Saucer?”


Interestingly, in 1997 the Trents admitted they suspected it was a military craft, worried that the Big Boys would throw them into a pit for taking pics. I can almost smell these babies are genuine, but as to what the mystery craft actually is, I can't rule out a military angle. Speaking of which, could something like the experimental Avrocar VZ-9AV of the 1950s be a culprit...?




www.laesieworks.com...



An enlargement of Trent's object from a second pic:






Hmmm, could be, could be... and if such US experiments were indeed the culprit, how many other 50s/60s sightings deserve a second chin-rub? Nevertheless, I can't shake off my gut instinct that this is a genuine photograph of a real UFO, in the literal sense at least. For an epic Pro & Con rumble in the jungle about the pics, I recommend gortex's 2009 thread: www.abovetopsecret.com...



Exhibit 3: Best Film


The Kaikoura Lights, off South Island, New Zealand, 30th Dec 1978





(If you want the full story, ziggystar60's superb 10-year-old thread is a corker: www.abovetopsecret.com...)


Mesmerising me as a kid, these anomalies began on 21st Dec 1978 when an Argosy cargo aircraft spotted a house-sized UFO with five white flashing lights flying alongside them, vanishing and reappearing at will and tracked by on-board radar as well as Wellington air traffic control. Intrigued, on 20th Dec, an Australian TV crew joined the aircraft on a flight to Christchurch to film a mini-report about the incident, not expecting to witness and film UFOs themselves! Various lights surrounded the Argosy, again tracked on radar, one light following them for most of the route until the Argosy landed at Christchurch.


As an unexpected bonus, taking off from Christchurch to Blenheim, at 2000 feet the TV crew were alerted yet again, managing to film a huge lighted orb that followed the aircraft for nearly 15 minutes, similarly tracked on radar. The rest is televisual history: genuine colour footage of a giant orb by a professional TV cameraman.

Now THAT is sexy, Judge - come on, give me a nod and a smile, you stiff schmuck!

"Contempt Of Court"? Whaaa? Nooooooooooooooooo...where are you taking me.......?!!!




Which three exhibits would YOU present to the grumpy old Judge and sceptical Jury?




posted on Sep, 16 2018 @ 03:32 PM
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a reply to: ConfusedBrit

STS 114.


Not proof of anything but it is interesting.



posted on Sep, 16 2018 @ 03:37 PM
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a reply to: ConfusedBrit

When stop speaking like the host of running man perhaps I will share my personal footage.. Ah, well.. Perhaps soon



posted on Sep, 16 2018 @ 04:00 PM
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Best evidence of what though?



posted on Sep, 16 2018 @ 04:15 PM
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a reply to: gortex

THAT, has to be one of THE most interesting STS sightings I have ever seen, and pretty sure I have seen that before, many times. I am sure I saw this on one episode of Science Channel's excellent older episodes of "Nasa's Unexplained Files." Looks like someone or something was in the hood, cruising around and thought they would swing by to take a look, then decided there wasn't much to see and off we go! As Spock would have said, "fascinating." To me whatever that was looked like it was under intelligent control. That is my 2 cents.
Did anyone from NASA attempt to explain this at all? Let me guess, ice or space debris, right? Never seen ice or space debris move quite like that.
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posted on Sep, 16 2018 @ 05:37 PM
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a reply to: gortex

Hang on one god dam minute, I have never seen that clip, as its rolling I am thinking pfft, if its flight path changes then we might have something................OMG

Do we know any more than that, if feels like a to good to be true

I first thought its flight path was just diminishing into the distance but there sure looks like a turn



posted on Sep, 16 2018 @ 06:49 PM
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a reply to: UpIsNowDown

There's a thread about it here on ATS, from some years ago. I'll see if I can find it.


It was faster than I thought, here's the link to that thread.


edit on 16/9/2018 by ArMaP because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 17 2018 @ 01:12 AM
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a reply to: ConfusedBrit

You are busy!



posted on Sep, 17 2018 @ 10:30 AM
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When I first came to UFOlogy (I'm a young pup in this field) in 2013,
I didn't know for certain whether alien craft had visited Earth or
not.

I thought that perhaps, SOME of what people experience was just
more of the same stuff that I'd experienced since I was a child ---
so called "spiritual stuff".

But I investigated and investigated with passion.

I even "summoned" a BTUFO using "spiritual technique" to see if it
could be done --- (apparently it could).

All I ever found was so-called "spiritual stuff" (misunderstood
laws of physics).

So I have no case that I promote as being a "UFO".

IMHO, none of them are "UFOs".

A high percent are misidentifications, and now days, escpecially,
misinformation and self-delusion.

A very small percent SEEM to be of an 'occult' nature.... like my
persona close-range black triangle "UFO" encounter.

But as the saying goes... 'plenty of UFO reports... no UFOs'.

IMHO Roswell is the worst case ever, then followed by RFI.. both
were sensationalized at a later time.. with too many "thumbs
being put on the scale".. neither with any physical evidence or
reliable eye-witness reports (to speak of).

If you study "UFO" history.. you will find it all began with the
Theosophical movement.. and Scientology... having nothing
to do with science or reality.

Now days.. things are a little different.. there are different
people at the controls of the social control system..

Same tune... different singers.

Kev



posted on Sep, 17 2018 @ 02:22 PM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I absolutely love your definition of “spiritual” in this sense. It perfectly sums up a massive portion of things people don’t understand.

I too am a new pup in the field, having only been studying heavily for five or six years. I’m sure everything I posted would either be yesterday’s news or lackluster compared to other sources.



posted on Sep, 17 2018 @ 02:31 PM
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originally posted by: Neechavela
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I absolutely love your definition of “spiritual” in this sense. It perfectly sums up a massive portion of things people don’t understand.

I too am a new pup in the field, having only been studying heavily for five or six years. I’m sure everything I posted would either be yesterday’s news or lackluster compared to other sources.


Looking for possible trends is good.. and learning to ask questions is great.. a good question
is worth a 100 statements of "fact" and infinite number of assumptions based on nothing but
religious yearnings.

If you ask 'self-appointed experts' questions. that might lead to something good... but you'll
find that most 'experts' get angry if you ask them challenging questions.. that's because they
don't like their unchallenged assumptions and religious yearnings to be challenged..

practice on me if you want.. or Mirageman. He likes to be asked questions.. if he really likes
you.. he might make a cartoon strip of you!

;-)

Kev



posted on Sep, 17 2018 @ 02:38 PM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear




practice on me if you want.. or Mirageman. He likes to be asked questions.. if he really likes you.. he might make a cartoon strip of you!


Says Kev. Who really has no idea whether I have made a cartoon strip of him and is still worrying why not.



posted on Sep, 17 2018 @ 02:40 PM
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a reply to: mirageman

Well you did that Mr. B one, with the "thing under my nose"..
that counts!



posted on Sep, 17 2018 @ 03:40 PM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: ConfusedBrit

STS 114.

Not proof of anything but it is interesting.


sts-114 definitely one of the more interesting shuttle videos.

one of these years we might even get the date/time of the event so we can obtain context data such as digital autopilot [DAP] response and RCS thruster firings in that time frame.


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posted on Sep, 17 2018 @ 03:47 PM
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originally posted by: data5091
a reply to: gortex
....: Did anyone from NASA attempt to explain this at all? Let me guess, ice or space debris, right? Never seen ice or space debris move quite like that.


Nobody's made the effort because the promoters of the video refuse to give the date/time of the video. So the NASA-sourced version has never been obtained.

BTW we saw ice flakes behave that way often under the influence of thruster plumes and water spray clouds from the flash evaporator, from the waste water dump ports, from the airlock. That's how the notorious STS-48 zig-zagger was definitively explained [see link below], maybe that's why nobody wants any real spaceflight experts to be able to do the same on this one so they prevent the investigation by concealing the time tag.

Here's what a prosaic explanation ought to look like:
www.jamesoberg.com...



posted on Sep, 17 2018 @ 04:38 PM
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1. I've always liked the story of the Hickson-Parker Pascagoula abduction. Doesn't involve stereotypical gray aliens. No need for anyone to be hypnotized to "remember" anything. The secret recording of them still totally freaked out from their encounter is icing on the cake.

2-3. A photo or video can be entertaining, but without a piece of hard evidence that is clearly linked to a UFO by a strong chain of evidence and proven by independent experts to be "alien," it's all conjecture. Nobody can tell me that they know about and can recognize every single experimental or top secret aircraft flown in the world.

Not much to show, really, for nearly 7 decades of modern investigation.



posted on Sep, 17 2018 @ 04:38 PM
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a reply to: gortex

Not to poop on the video, since it is interesting regardless of my opinion, but wouldn't it make sense if there were two objects as there appear to be?

One is somewhat stationary, until the bright one approaches it. As the bright one approaches from right to left, the stationary dim object, begins moving left to right, towards the center gravity path of the bright object. (Expected by gravitational interaction)

As the dim object flings to the right, due to being disturbed by the bright object, the dim object pulls and acts on the bright object. The bright objects' right to left trajectory slows, until nearly stopping, before being pulled back towards the dim object, that exited, stage right. Then it happily continues on it's new trajectory of left to right, chasing the dim object.

Think of that as two object interacting via gravitational forces, and the movement looks nearly predicted, by typical physics, and not "manned".

I like my interpretation, but that doesn't make me correct. Feel free to add additional comments or correct any misthoughts on my part.
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posted on Sep, 17 2018 @ 10:12 PM
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originally posted by: Archivalist
a reply to: gortex

Not to poop on the video, since it is interesting regardless of my opinion, but wouldn't it make sense if there were two objects as there appear to be?....


Things look weird enough in space, that's a reasonable suggestion that can be tested. But more to the point would be to determine where the local illumination was coming from [where is the sun relative to the camera's line-of-sight] and what was going on in the minutes before and after this sequence. That's the sort of thing Stubbs and other shuttle-video folks prevent us from finding out.



posted on Sep, 18 2018 @ 12:01 AM
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a reply to: mirageman

You boys are so funny😁.



posted on Sep, 18 2018 @ 12:40 AM
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Battle of Los Angeles.
Tehran , Iran 1976
The Disclosure Projects first press conference



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