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posted on Mar, 10 2005 @ 08:55 PM
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Lobo, why do you even pretend to be a protestant when you are neither that or catholic?


That proves your insincerity, its so viewable its amazing. Don't pretend your a protestant because you don't believe in any of it. I hate when people seek only to win arguments, its so prideful and foolish.



" nothing wrong with interpeting bible on yourself "



Yes it is. Thats why 3,000 different churches exist today, all with different certain truths or doctrines because they interpret scripture to their own destruction which the bible talks about.


2Peter 3:16

" As also in all (his) epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, asthey
do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction "


If God intended their to be 3,000 different bodies all coming after Martin Luther the revolter then why did he say the church will have one truth and one preisthood, and one body? truth is not divided by the thousands. A kid can understand this.



this is why he had to creat an interpeting body, if not you see the result of seperation.


1
eter 1:20


" Understand this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation "



I don't have to explain that passage, as any kid over 12 can understand most likely.




" is yours "


Not even close. Im nowhere near as holy as we are called to be, but thats because I choose sin or selfishness during parts of the day instead of Gods will. To be perfected through grace means doing Gods will (every) second of the day, this is what the saints perfected, im far from that but closer than a couple years ago. I personally think everybody is better than me now a days.



" truth depends on ones point of view "



than that means if I want a soda bottle to be my God its true to me. Does that mean its true to God? thats freemasonry that God can be whateveryou want him to be, but thats not what God says, because he does have one truth and one faith, nomatter what we say.




" mary apparations claim Mary to be God "


thats not true. No prophecy approved by the church has mary claiming to be God, there has not been one. Ive read all of the major prophecies like fatima and lasalette and its just not in there, and its not what the church teaches and never has. Some prophecies are from satan like lady of the roses that should be avoided but even they have not been told by mary that shes God because it contradicts the churches teaching itself.





" where does it say mary was born without sin "



Where does it say that she was not? The bible itself does not contain nearly everything the apostles or jesus did, nor all the words of faith. The bible says you would need the whole earth to fit all the books of the stories about jesus not told in scripture.The apostles wrote epistles about the faith well before the bible was even put together, so why do protestants deny these epistles of the faith? How come christ gave them power to forgive and (bind) sins and to loose and bound whatever they will? what did they loose and bind? It just does not make any sense. the bible is a small part to the church of God which was flourishing before the bible was put together.



" Idols "



How come God told Moses to make a Brazen serpent in Numbers?


thats God contradicting himself. This according to protestants is much more blasphemous than us using statues of mary and the saints as reminders only.



Numbers 21:8-9


" And the lord said to him: make a Brazent serpent, and set it up for a sign: whoever being struck shall look on (it), shall live. moses therefore made a Brazent serpent, and
set it up for a sign, which when they that were bitten looked upon, they were healed "



Images and statues were used througout the Ot in Exodus 2Pharalipomenon, 3Kings, Hebrews, Psalms 98, Numbers ect.. alot of them being the placement of Cherubims in the temple.



" don't be suprised if Ghost can heal "

Yea but thats what the Hypocrites said to jesus that he cast out devils by the devils power? so at what point to true mirales actually be authentic? I believe them Jake because amny were healed that day and many athiests converted to Christ. If your saying that these healings are false, which it was not to them, then you can say the same thing about Jesus who cured also. even jesus said, if you can't believe in me believe in the miracles.




If you can't believe in the eucharistic, saints, and other holy miracles that have fliursihed for 2000 years than what can you believe in? You would be the same one in the NT who could not believe Jesus nomatter what he did, because they kept saying it was by satan, true miracles, and they could not believe in them because it went against their own private belief. I believe in these miracles and always will Jake, and it has made me closer to jesus more than ever.




God bless.




posted on Mar, 11 2005 @ 08:30 AM
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Truth

Address the mary-ghost contradictions I showed you in my last post.

You did address healings...but twisted it. You compare Jesus' work to that of a dead person.
First address the lies/contradictions ... then we will see if the healings are real.

As for your verse from Peter,

2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:


He is talking about non-believers.

No where in the bible does it say to follow the rcc
In fact, Jesus says quite clearly that the Holy Spirit will teach you

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.

The pope is a false prophet. He says muslims and jews will be saved even tho they deny christ. That is not what the bible says.

Go back and address the mary lies/contradictions.
You have to take the bible over man or ghosts...for your own sake.
Dont take my word for it. Compare them yourself.

1Jo 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world

Go look at the mary statements and compare them to the bible



posted on Mar, 11 2005 @ 09:18 AM
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Jake neither did you answer all my points and questions.


Ill look at it again and respond to it, I thought I did already.



" the pope is a false prophet "


Yea I know, hes an anti pope, a freemasonic pope who has infiltrated the vatican. This has happened since vatican ll the false council of the church, the new age council, all popes since then
have been heretics. Freemasons have been planning for decades to make use of the church by infitraton, and communist by infiltrating the priesthood, Bella Dodd explains this if you read up on her.



Even one of our prophecies from mary at Lasalette states.


" Rome will (lose) the faith and become the seat of the antichrist "



thats what has happened with vatican ll. They have completely destroyed our traditions, and created a horrible new mass the novus ordo mass. freemasons infest the entire hierarchy today disguised as traditional catholic.




read this from a monk in NY.


www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com...


Hes an incredible apostate and a major antipope as were all popes since V2 in the 60s was created. notice how much grace in the world has been lost since V2 started in the 60s? thats because they destoryed the true mass and created a false mass.





" Jesus says the holy spirit will guide you "


Yea, thats what Calvin, Luther, henry 8th, all the protestant revolters believed and they are all divided in truth. we now have over 3,000 protestant sects. Some believe in communion, some don't, some believe in baptism some don't, some believe in saved by faith alone some don't, they are a church divided completely in truth. It will never end Jake because men will keep making up what he wants to in his own mind about how
he wants to interpret scripture.



Think about it.


If all these men who created 3,000 different sects had the holy spirit, why is the holy spirit divided against itself? is that even alittle logical? You gotta be sincere here, I used to be proptestant myself in view until God started showing me some things I never knew before which is the truth.




One thing about the catholic church is tha its not divided, its one with its members, even the eastern churches all believe in the same truth and doctrines for 2000 years, and the same sacrafice, the same preisthood ect..






It will never end jake, truly, because all men have different minds and all think they have the holy spirit and it has led to 1,000s of different churches all believing something different, which is totally unbiblical. I mean couldn't it even be alittle possible that God might of set up a governing body to interpet scripture from the holy Ghost so we would not cause seperation?




God Bless.



posted on Mar, 11 2005 @ 12:06 PM
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Jake the jews refering to the Queen of heaven in the OT Jeremias was them refering to the moon who they gave this name.


The difference is Jake that they offered sacrafice to the moon. We don't worship Mary, it has never been taught by the church ever. Not one council since the beggining
of the councils have ever taught this. She is our spiritual Mother and which we ask for her prayers and through devotion to her heart we come closer to Jesus our brother. the kingdom of heaven is like a family and God the father
of all our God.


She has never demanded worship, ever. This is a qoute from fatima. I believe this prophecy because of the miracles, not magic tricks.


" The (Lord) (wishes) to establish devotion to my immaculate heart in the world. If what I say is done, many souls will be saved and there will be peace "




She is in complete union with the will of her Son Christ. She did not say that I wish to establish devotion to myself. Her heart was full of grace which the bible proclaims which is amazing because everybody back then was not full of grace but in original sin. How can she be full of grace? her heart
was immaculate from the time she was born because God placed his heart within her himself and preserved her in the state of grace for our redemption (through) chrit who cannot be born of a women in sin. thats why she was full of grace like adam and eve were until they sinned.

So by honoring her heart, not worsipping her, we are honoring Gods heart whom has placed his heart within her. She draws us closer to christ in a way no scripture can ever do by being our spiritual mother of all chrisian souls.




" The Catholic church did this to keep its pagan followers "




than how come the church has always condemned, always, other religions? It is a known fact that the chirch teaches.



" Outside the catholic church there is no salvation "If the pagans converted to the church they would have to denounce what they formally believe in worshipping Their mother godesses.



Anyways, the church doesn't even teach to worship Mary, but to honor her as our mother, so the pagans would absolutely have to convert to Christ alone. God wills stuff through his mother but it all comes back to christ. The focul point of the church is the Eucharist, the sacrafice of Christ, not of Mary, the only sacrafice that gives us sanctifying grace.


The church has always taught the worship of only Christ, this is a fact every council has held since the church started to flourish. If I were to worship mary I would be excommunicated a once for apostasy.


From catechism baltimore pp53.


" By the redemption is meant that Jesus christ, as the Redeemr of the whole human race, offered his sufferings and death to god as a fitting sacrafice in the satisfaction for the sins of men, and regained for them the right to be children of God and heirs of heaven "



" The one who shared most in this way was mary. She reserved Eve's action. Eve refused Gods will and brought death into the world. mary accepted gods will and brought the redeemer into the world, (who) won eternal life for us "



Furthermore the catholic church decided which books were to be put together to creat the bible, so why would they creat a doctrine thats completely against scripture? Its not what the church teaches or ever has, not once. Any apparation where mary proclaims to be the creator or demands to be worshipped is from Satan.




Also about some apparations. The church does not require belief in any apparation or other private revelation, some like fatima are approved because of the extensive research into the miracles that have taken place which these events and appearances.



In conclusion, if you worship Mary you are truly not going by the catholic faith, and are not catholic at all. I am catholic and I do consider devotion the Mary's heart a great thing, but only to get closer to Christ and her, and through this this has made me want to give up the world literally and serve God every second of my life to serve Jesus through the help of his Mother, and if thats a bad thing, havin a desire to give up evrything for Christ then ill be condemned with every caholic who ever lived who became saints because of this devotion than so be it.



Every time you offer suffering up to God he accepts it and applies grace to souls of need because of our offerings, though he does not (need) them he accepts them.





Anything I did not answer im sure this soul can explain better them me.


www.ewtn.com...


peace.



posted on Mar, 12 2005 @ 01:26 PM
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First, I dont know about 3000 sects or a united catholic church. Didnt the east and west popes excommunicate each other way back when?
Anyway...

Lets get back to mary...this is what you did not face up to.

Mary says
I alone am able still to save you from the calamities which approach. Those who place their confidence in me will be saved.


The bible says:
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

The fake Mary Says:
Little children, I am the Mother of Good Counsel, Mediator, who is trying to persuade you to listen to the call. My message is of faith, love and hope. More than anything, it brings reconciliation between people and nations. It is the only thing that can save this century from war and eternal death.


The bible says:
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Again, that fake catholic mary says
Have great confidence in the powerful work of intercession and mediation of your heavenly Mother.


I stand here as the!!!! Co-Redemptrix!!!!! and Advocate. Everything should be concentrated on that. Repeat this after Me: The new dogma will be the "dogma of the Co-Redemptrix.



Rom 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

1Jo 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocatewith the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Isa 63:16 Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting.

Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemedus from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Luk 1:68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,


That phony mary is nothing more then the concoction of a demon sent to lead people away from christ.
Look at the titles she claims!! They are TAKEN FROM CHRIST.
If you cant see that here...i have no clue how to help you.

You have one thing going for you...you admit the rcc is not perfect. Many catholics dont know that. They think the popes talk to God like we talk to each other



posted on Mar, 12 2005 @ 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by Truth

Lobo, why do you even pretend to be a protestant when you are neither that or catholic?

I didn't know I was pretending to be protestant... I thought I've stated quite clearly that I am a Buddhist, on more than one occassion. I'm sure you're not stupid enough to confuse "Buddhist" with "protestant..." or maybe you are, after all, I don't know you - but you like to pretend you know me pretty well.
I don't know where you got that idea from...well, actually I do - and I think it'd be best to stop pulling ideas from your rear-end, lest you wish to become one, yourself - ah, damn, too late.



That proves your insincerity, its so viewable its amazing. Don't pretend your a protestant because you don't believe in any of it.

What?! You mean you can actually tell I don't give a damn about Jesus, the Bible, or Catholicism? Dang. My plans for world domination. are ruined.


I hate when people seek only to win arguments, its so prideful and foolish.

Right, and you're seeking to win this argument, and doing very badly at it - well, not the "prideful and foolish" part, at least.



" nothing wrong with interpeting bible on yourself "

Yes it is. Thats why 3,000 different churches exist today, all with different certain truths or doctrines because they interpret scripture to their own destruction which the bible talks about.

Oh, so what is the only correct interpretation of the bible? Oh, right. Yours - the Almighty Catholic Bible-Banging Mary-Whore.



If God intended their to be 3,000 different bodies all coming after Martin Luther the revolter then why did he say the church will have one truth and one preisthood, and one body? truth is not divided by the thousands. A kid can understand this.

So, which one is right? Can you tell me that? And if so, can you prove it?



this is why he had to creat an interpeting body, if not you see the result of seperation.

Christianity is all about separation, anyway - separate yourself from your family, your loved ones, and anything you give a damn about, including your own life.



" Understand this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation "

So, we can't predict scripture without help from "God's official spokesman," is that it?


I don't have to explain that passage, as any kid over 12 can understand most likely.

No, you won't explain because you can't - or are simply too lazy to.



I personally think everybody is better than me now a days.

So you go from a God-resembling ego-maniac to humility, just like that? Who's holding the gun to your head?




" truth depends on ones point of view "

than that means if I want a soda bottle to be my God its true to me. Does that mean its true to God?

Dead wrong. Let me explain. Let's assume you can see in perfect color (I don't know, I don't know you.) You look at a wall-painted green. To you, it is green. That is truth, from your point of view. If a color-blind person were to look at the wall, would it be green from their point of view?


thats freemasonry that God can be whateveryou want him to be, but thats not what God says, because he does have one truth and one faith, nomatter what we say.

First of all, what's wrong with Freemasonry? Are you one of the pissy little rejects who got mad because they "wouldn't lemme in their club?"

And second, yes, God can be whatever we want Him/Her/It/They to be, because nobody living knows exactly what/who God is. It's impossible to know - claiming otherwise, duh, is blasphemy.



it contradicts the churches teaching itself.

Like the Church is that reliable anyway - perverts and politicians corrupting the clergy.


" where does it say mary was born without sin "

Where does it say that she was not?

Oh, what a cop-out.


" Idols "

How come God told Moses to make a Brazen serpent in Numbers?
thats God contradicting himself. This according to protestants is much more blasphemous than us using statues of mary and the saints as reminders only.
Hey, if you can be ignorant and claim that I worship a statue, why can't I do the same to you?



jesus said, if you can't believe in me believe in the miracles.

Yeah, Buddha said that too - 500 years before.



I believe in these miracles and always will Jake, and it has made me closer to jesus more than ever.

That's all nice and good - believe in what you want, just leave the rest of us out of it.





God bless.

May the Force be with you, too.




posted on Mar, 13 2005 @ 12:50 AM
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Originally posted by Truth

Pisky stay away from the lady of roses prophecy, because they might be false.


Thanks for the info, Truth. I've been aware of the possibility of fraud for a while, having heard conflicting stories about the Bayside prophecies. Apparently the local Bishop has refused to recognise them as valid. As for myself, I keep an open mind, which is the whole concept of 'Denying ignorance'.



posted on Mar, 13 2005 @ 05:01 PM
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Originally posted by Pisky
I keep an open mind, which is the whole concept of 'Denying ignorance'.


I try to, but jeeziz, I can only take so much of the "I am proof of God," chicken-with-a-cutoff-head routine.



posted on Mar, 14 2005 @ 08:00 AM
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Originally posted by jake1997
First, I dont know about 3000 sects or a united catholic church. Didnt the east and west popes excommunicate each other way back when?
Anyway...

Lets get back to mary...this is what you did not face up to.

Mary says
I alone am able still to save you from the calamities which approach. Those who place their confidence in me will be saved.


The bible says:
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

The fake Mary Says:
Little children, I am the Mother of Good Counsel, Mediator, who is trying to persuade you to listen to the call. My message is of faith, love and hope. More than anything, it brings reconciliation between people and nations. It is the only thing that can save this century from war and eternal death.


The bible says:
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Again, that fake catholic mary says
Have great confidence in the powerful work of intercession and mediation of your heavenly Mother.

I stand here as the!!!! Co-Redemptrix!!!!! and Advocate. Everything should be concentrated on that. Repeat this after Me: The new dogma will be the "dogma of the Co-Redemptrix.



Rom 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

1Jo 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocatewith the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Isa 63:16 Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting.

Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemedus from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Luk 1:68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,



Truth

If you are going to live up to your name, then explain why your mary ghost contradicts Gods word in the bible.

I have listed them there for you. Dont reason or give a story...take the two opposing statements and tell me why.


Who is the liar? That mary thing or God?

[edit on 14-3-2005 by jake1997]



posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 07:17 PM
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Truth

Why does the ghost mary tell us opposite of the bible?

Which one is the liar? The ghost mary or Jesus? Both cant be right.
Dont PM me with your reasons not to answer. Just come and answer here in front of everyone.

They have bibles. They can see that this mary speaks against the bible. Face it.



posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 09:01 AM
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Jake whatever you are trying to catch me in is not going to work.. Ive u2u you and you have recieved the true answer and do you have any sincerity to listen or do you deny the entire truth not only about what the church
really teaches about Mary but about protestantism for the sake of this false belief you think we have of Mary.



1. Where did those words come from what prophecy are you qouting from, I see a qoute and no source.


Ive told you countless times that not all prophecies are required to be believed by the church, some are approved like Fatima because of the huge collection of miracles that go with it.


" By no other name are we saved "


Yes this is what the church has always tuaght, go read the councils.


This is what I want you to do, go read real confirmed doctrine from (Ephesus) the council in 431 A.D.



The supposed pagan church when it was beggining to spread from rome, read this council in full (with) sincerity and you will see what the church really teaches about christ and Mary, start with Ephesus.




See the thing is is that are you really searching? Or are you here to disprove without sincerity that which is just not true, which the church never taught. God knows whos sincere and if you truly are you will look into it yourself and find out what the church truly teaches.





other than that im wasting my time, because ive already explained in u2u about apparations and true dogmas and doctrines, and it truly seems like you skip over it.


Now I ask you sincerily Jake to go read Ephesus to find out the truth.


" our heavenly mother "


she is. She was appointed all our spiritual mother at the cross, and Jesus is our brothers, this is biblical.



so is this.


Luke 1:28

" And the Angel being come in said unto her: (Hail), (full) of grace, the Lord is with thee, (blessed) art thou amonst women "



this is actually the first part of the rosary and its biblical.



John 19:36-37

" Women behold thy son, after that he said to his discpile: behold thy mother "


Luke 1:48

" Because he hath regarded the humility of his hand maid; for behold from (henceforth all) generations shall call (me) (blessed) "


Of course if this was in a catholic prophecy the same qoute would be absolutely condemned and you know this Jake, but thats scripture.


She is our blessed mother, not because we worship her which is absolutely false and balsphemous, but because she truly is blessed, and has become our spiritual mother, she was chosen by God for a special task and was full of grace her whole life because God ordained it.




Thats the truth, and whoever thinks otherwise is just lying to themselves including anybody who worships mary which has never happened in church history, and if anybody has they have been condemned at once.




peace.



posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 06:24 PM
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Those quotes are from your mary ghost and the rcc.

Your objection to not knowing the source tells me that you also notice that the mary words speak against the bible.


Thank you for showing that much.
I was looking for more about mary worship because of your post and I found this prayer


Mary the dawn, Christ the Perfect Day;
Mary the gate, Christ the Heavenly Way!

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.




Mary the root, Christ the Mystic Vine;

Rev 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

How much more??

Stem? Beacon? Gods son or marys?

(calling you your mothers son in Jesus time was an insult btw )

Mat 13:55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?


Mary the grape, Christ the Sacred Wine!
Mary the wheat, Christ the Living Bread;
Mary the stem, Christ the Rose blood-red!
Mary the beacon, Christ the Haven's Rest;
Mary the mirror, Christ the Vision Blest!
Mary the mother, Christ the Mother's Son



posted on Mar, 25 2005 @ 06:19 AM
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Anyone know if 'Truth' (the person) is still around?
Im waiting to find out how catholics can give those titles that the bible gives to Jesus, to Mary instead.

The same titles used in the worship of Jesus
are used on mary by catholics, yet they say they dont worship her



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