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To be a true "Fascist":

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posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 07:32 AM
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Since the people that scream the loudest about supposed "Fascism" care not for actual political definitions (which the DNC always has been as much as the GOP), and refuse to acknowledge their very own behavior as being virtually identical to those they supposedly are vehemently against, let us clarify the issue once and for all...

"Anti-Fascists" insist that "Fascism" is about bigotry, but as we've seen they can be just as bigoted as any one else. Its the nature of ideological groups in general, after all.

Now Mussolini, whom invented the concept, went on to declare it the merger of state and corporate power, but "Anti-Fascists" absolutely ignore this point, so lets move on...

We've all gathered that to these people "Fascism" and "Nazism" are interchangeable.

So now for the point:

A true 'fascist' "rebels" (fights [brutalizes]) not merely against the state, but instead against their fellow common citizens.

Across history people have fought back against tyrannical governments and were never "fascists" for it.

Then came Fascist Italy & Nazi Germany, allies, where to rise to power they had foot soldiers to beat their opposition into submission. Eventually those political movements became the State, where they then had typical classical State Power to use force to beat their opposition into submission, yet they still maintained their foot soldiers just the same.

In Nazi Germany they wore brown shirts, and were thus dubbed the Brownshirts.

The true irony here though is that in Fascist Italy their iteration of Brownshirts instead wore black shirts. Just like "Antifa" (whom instead of focusing their fight against the state they put the bulk of their energy into assaulting fellow common citizens).






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posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 07:56 AM
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Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism,[1][2][3][4] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy,[5] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[6] The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I before it spread to other European countries.[6] Opposed to liberalism, Marxism and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[6][7][8][9][10][11]


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Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete and they regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties.[14] Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a dictator and a martial government composed of the members of the governing fascist party—to forge national unity and maintain a stable and orderly society.[14] Fascism rejects assertions that violence is automatically negative in nature and views political violence, war and imperialism as means that can achieve national rejuvenation.[15][16][17][18] Fascists advocate a mixed economy, with the principal goal of achieving autarky through protectionist and interventionist economic policies.


I really don't think that, according to the definition above, we really have that many fascist in the US.

However, there are some folks, and groups of folks, who do meet some of the criteria. Let us all hope they don't get too much traction.



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 08:05 AM
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Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism,[1][2][3][4] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy,


Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete and they regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties.[14] Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a dictator and a martial government composed of the members of the governing fascist party—to forge national unity and maintain a stable and orderly society.[14] Fascism rejects assertions that violence is automatically negative in nature and views political violence, war and imperialism as means that can achieve national rejuvenation.


That can all be said of Communism, though. Or ancient Rome.

But this thing where everyday citizens (ideologues) go out and physically attack everyday citizens for disagreeing, well I suppose Mau did have that too at certain points, but that was the staple of both Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy. And that, aside from our domestic KKK, is pretty unique in modern times, aside from "Antifa" that is. In fact if one dug deep enough it may be a safe bet the KKK of old helped inspire Hitler & Mussolini in developing their Brownshirts / Blackshirts. They adopted much of their their propaganda & eugenics from here afterall.






posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 08:10 AM
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Definition of fascism
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control
early instances of army fascism and brutality —J. W. Aldridge

www.merriam-webster.com...

I don't think you know what you're talking about. A tendendcy to intolerance regarding intolerance isn't a tendency to dictatorial control by definition. It's the only thing that keeps fascism at bay.

No Antifa member I know exalts nation and race above the individual.



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 08:10 AM
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Definition of fascism
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control
early instances of army fascism and brutality —J. W. Aldridge

www.merriam-webster.com...

I don't think you know what you're talking about. A tendendcy to intolerance regarding intolerance isn't a tendency to dictatorial control by definition. It's the only thing that keeps fascism at bay.

No Antifa member I know exalts nation and race above the individual.



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 08:14 AM
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Definition of fascism
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control
early instances of army fascism and brutality —J. W. Aldridge


Sounds like the perfect generalization of North Korea.

I can show you photos of "Antifa" sporting Communist logos...




posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 08:14 AM
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But this thing where everyday citizens (ideologues) go out and physically attack everyday citizens for disagreeing


I think the attacking thing happens in all movements. Even Ghandi's followers attacked the Brits occasionally. I don't think violence is reserved only for fascists.



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 08:16 AM
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requires you be a true professional and thanks to movements like antifa, it isnt that easy.




posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 08:18 AM
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A tendendcy to intolerance regarding intolerance isn't a tendency to dictatorial control by definition. It's the only thing that keeps fascism at bay.


Intolerance to the viewpoints of others is intolerance.




posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 08:19 AM
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I don't get this labelling crap.

I believe in a fair equal society so what does that make me, A socialist? If I believe in the need for people to rise against automatons does that make me a 'neo luddite?' all these sub genres of personal, political or philosophical beliefs are getting out of control.

You stand for what you believe in, it's simple as that.



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 08:20 AM
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originally posted by: JasonBillung
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss




But this thing where everyday citizens (ideologues) go out and physically attack everyday citizens for disagreeing


I think the attacking thing happens in all movements. Even Ghandi's followers attacked the Brits occasionally. I don't think violence is reserved only for fascists.


In that instance they were fighting imperial oppression. But you're right Supremacism in inherent in ideological groups. Which makes the concept of being "against" "Fascism" (Supremacism) by appealing overtly to Supremacism as absurd as anything ever was.



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 08:23 AM
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originally posted by: Damla
requires you be a true professional and thanks to movements like antifa, it isnt that easy.



You do know that antifa in the US is not an organized movement, don't you? It is more of an idea, or a group of ideas, that folks respond to. There is no leader, no unifying principles, no headquarters issuing orders.

They are taking the lead from European antifa, and pretty much responding as localized individuals.

I don't know that I agree with their methods much. But I do agree with being anti-fascist.



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 08:24 AM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Communism aint fascism, either. Stalinism was pretty close, I'll give you that.



I can show you photos of "Antifa" sporting Communist logos...


Get over your Cold War indoctrination asap. We even have a rightwing communist on board, prepare to have your mind blown and ask Bone75 for his take on communism?

That should be entertaining.



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 08:24 AM
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originally posted by: Thecakeisalie

If I believe in the need for people to rise against automatons does that make me a 'neo luddite?'


That would make you a Luddite, whereas a Neo-Luddite is a more timely concept that I argue is more specific to the Transhumanist front, or at least that's what I've been saying for some 12 years. Although I have googled the term in recent years and found anarcho-communist pages proclaiming to be "neo-luddite", which itself is a marvel since "Pure Communism" (proper Marxism), Marx' own words, were about machines being wielded as such that humans (citizens) dont have to work anymore. LOL



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 08:26 AM
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originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Communism aint fascism, either. Stalinism was pretty close, I'll give you that.


Well now you're talking proper political philosophy, which read Mussolini that "Fascism" is the merger of State & Corporate Power, the premise of my Obamacare 'flyer' above, which "Anti-Fascists" absolutely ignore in their entire conceptualization of 'what fascism is'.

I once did a thread arguing that communism inherently becomes conservative.


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posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 08:27 AM
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But you're right Supremacism in inherent in ideological groups. Which makes the concept of being "against" "Fascism" (Supremacism) by appealing overtly to Supremacism as absurd as anything ever was.


I am not sure I know what you mean by "supremacism." Sound scary. But I imagine that folks think that their ideas are "better" for some reason than opposing ideas. Isn't that just common sense?



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 08:27 AM
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posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 08:28 AM
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Fascism is a left wing ideology formed from Marxism - a repackaging.
It's now been repackaged again and is called Progressivism.



posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 08:28 AM
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Intolerance to the viewpoints of others is intolerance.


Yeah. And the ones holding up intolerant viewpoints are still having a hard time to garner tolerance and respect for their intolerance.

Who woulda thunkt, right?




posted on Sep, 13 2018 @ 08:30 AM
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White Pride = Supremacism = Black Power = Supremacism = Gay Pride = Supremacism = Liberals Must Die = Supremacism = Insult Mohammed and I'll chop your head off = Supremacism = Etc = Supremacism


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