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The European Parliament voted to punish Hungary 448 - 197

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posted on Sep, 12 2018 @ 10:14 AM
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Liberals, the EU, and in particular, George Soros scored a small victory today against the Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orban, by voting to accept the Sargentini report that raised concerns about Hungary's erosion of democracy in recent years, including crackdowns on migrants, the media and academic institutions. The vote is the first step to setting off a process that could ultimately lead to the suspension of Hungary's voting rights in the European Union as a punishment, known as Article 7 or as also called the ' nuclear option'.

To invoke Article 7 against any EU member countries would need the approval of all EU members with the exception of the accused, which would not happen because of Hungary's close ally Poland, as those two countries would never vote against each other, hence this is nothing more than a symbolic move against Orban who has been re-elected for the 3rd time in April.

That being said, I have a few thoughts on this as how the EU is really operating, and lately dont even try to hide it. Please mind that I am not really into politics but this however gave me a wtf moment...

- The Sargentini report: Judith Sargentini is a MEP in the Europian Parlament from Holland. Besides that she is a well known liberal who is also working very close with Soros, she had run ins with Orban in the past, especially in 2012 when she called Orban a 'dictator' on a facebook comment to her followers. After all this in 2017 May the EU gave her the task to make an 'objective and independent' report of how Hungary is basically against democracy. For me its like asking Hillary to make an honest independent report on Donald Trump...

The vote: Europian Parlament's rule of law that it has to be more than 2/3 of votes to either way, however just before the voting the EP decided that this time it will not count the abstentions. The vote has passed with 448 yes - 197 no with 48 abstentions which would leave the liberals easily short of their achivement if counted.

Orban: I've asked around my friends from Hungary about Orban, and most of them said the same: He acts as a dictator, his government is as corrupt as it gets and the amount of EU money they steal/stole is astronomical, BUT they all agreed that he tackled the migration problem extremly good, and make no mistake this voting was just about that, namely the mandatory quota the Europian Union wants to force on all of its members reagardless of what the people of those countries want.

The usual liberal argument about migrants do not want to stay in Hungary, will not cut it this time as clearly the EU do not care about that either according to their mandatory quota system. Hypocrisy on the highest level...

TheGuardian

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posted on Sep, 12 2018 @ 10:21 AM
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I can understand why Hungary doesn't want the migrant issues facing other EU nations.
Britain is the same just lucky being an island, but if we were on the continent for sure we'd build fences like Hungary has.

...we've proved it with the fences we've paid for and built in France to keep them of the ferries and channel tunnel.



posted on Sep, 12 2018 @ 10:22 AM
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So basically, if a EU country doesnt take its quota of migrants it gets punished.

I guess that says the EU believes everyone in the EU must suffer equally burden of criminal migrant populations that wont assimilate into EU culture.

Quite sad really.



posted on Sep, 12 2018 @ 10:24 AM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

the majority of pro brexiter politicians are actually supporting Orban in this argument.



posted on Sep, 12 2018 @ 10:24 AM
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a reply to: szino9

Do they need agreement from 80% of 28 member states to put Article 7 into action? I think they do. Sorry, that sounds patronising, I'm typing as I think.

Either way, FK Soros and his 'Liberal' (ahem) agenda and FK the EU!



posted on Sep, 12 2018 @ 10:28 AM
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Your support for the pseudo-Nazi regime in Hungary has been noted for future reference.

As for liberals... no, you see, when there is no one left on this planet who embraces a toxic variant of nationalism, when there is no one left on this planet who has a problem sharing space with people of different cultures, ethnicities, and no one left who is so full of fear that they turn to hate of their fellow man, then have the temerity to hide their pathetic weakness by calling it a political belief, THEN liberals will have victory.

Until that point, they will always have work to do. Contrary to popular belief, we are as a result of the work left for us to do in the regards I mentioned, busy people.


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posted on Sep, 12 2018 @ 10:38 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

I support anyone against the tyranny that became of the Europian Union lately...



posted on Sep, 12 2018 @ 10:40 AM
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So basically, if a EU country doesnt take its quota of migrants it gets punished

Funny how democracy works right?



posted on Sep, 12 2018 @ 10:40 AM
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a reply to: szino9

I don't care how you justify the indefensible.

The fact that you seek to do it at all, means that the method you choose is irrelevant.



posted on Sep, 12 2018 @ 10:40 AM
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a reply to: szino9

Agreed. The EU as an organisation can go # itself as far as I'm concerned.



posted on Sep, 12 2018 @ 10:41 AM
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a reply to: and14263

Nah, it has to be 100% obviously without the one they deciding about...


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posted on Sep, 12 2018 @ 10:43 AM
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funny you call them Nazi while all they do is disagree with something someone else wants them to do no matter what...

by the way Soros and his ultra liberal pals seems to push an agenda pretty hard. An agenda they are the only ones to benefit from. Tell me how is it helpful for an immigrant to forced to live in a country he does not want to? Who acts like a Nazi then?
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posted on Sep, 12 2018 @ 10:46 AM
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There are extremes on both sides, and I can see both of their arguments.

On one hand, I understand the fears of seeing the rise of radical nationalism.

On the other, when you have a governing body over your country dictating how many migrants you are going to take in, I can understand push back. That push back is not always a disdain of other cultures or people, but sometimes it's just the simple fact of trying to have economy stability. Bringing in people just for the sake of humanitarianism doesn't always work out just because you have the right intentions. If you don't have jobs to offer to help them assimilate and find stability, sometimes that move can be just as hopeless as where you left. It's better if we find a balance, relocate refugees ect. based off of who can help them get on their feet the fastest.

Sometimes I think the power struggle in opposing beliefs is what creates the extremes. If neither side is willing to compromise, then you will get more extreme push back from both sides. I think that is one source of the growing trend of radical nationalism, something history has shown us before. When you dictate to a country what they are to do, many times they will revolt in ways and have a national movement to push back.
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posted on Sep, 12 2018 @ 10:50 AM
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I am calling them Nazi because that is how they are behaving. When they stop permitting and promoting the rise of white nationalism, which is the exact same thing as supremacism in effect, then I will stop calling them Nazis. Its pretty easy to avoid, so you have to be getting something very wrong to resemble that movement enough to be accused of being enamored of it.



posted on Sep, 12 2018 @ 10:50 AM
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The people of Hungary proudly say they have had enough of being shoved around,

Screw Brussels




Hungary Passes 'Stop Soros' Laws, Bans Aid To Undocumented Immigrants
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Hungary's parliament passed a series of laws on Wednesday criminalizing the act of aiding undocumented immigrants seeking asylum in the country, despite strong objections from leading European rights bodies. The suite of bills, called "Stop Soros," allow the government to imprison individuals and nongovernmental organizations for up to a year if they're deemed to be facilitating what it says is illegal immigration by people not entitled to protections, the BBC reported. A separate amendment to the constitution declared that an "alien population" can not be settled in Hungary.


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posted on Sep, 12 2018 @ 10:54 AM
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Your support for the pseudo-Nazi regime in Hungary has been noted for future reference.



The mental gymnastics you'll put yourself through denying reality is troublesome.

You played the Hitler card too early in the thread.

LOL



they will always have work to do


Noted for future reference as you suggest



posted on Sep, 12 2018 @ 10:55 AM
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a reply to: szino9
Are the bureaucrats that run the EU elected? I dont think so. That was the why behind Brexit.


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posted on Sep, 12 2018 @ 10:57 AM
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promoting the rise of white nationalism


What you call white Nationalism others in Europe call it protection of their cultural heritage.

You've swallowed Soros's poisoned chalice for Europe



posted on Sep, 12 2018 @ 10:58 AM
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originally posted by: szino9
a reply to: and14263

Nah, it has to be 100% obviously without the one they deciding about...



If the European Parliament submits its proposal to the European Council, a majority of four-fifths of member states would be needed to trigger Article 7.
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posted on Sep, 12 2018 @ 11:01 AM
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trigger yes but not accept.. At least that's how I think it goes, might be wrong...

From your link:




The procedure for launching what is commonly known as “the nuclear option” is multistep, and a unanimous decision by the other member states would be required to suspend voting rights. Analysts say this would be almost impossible.

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