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posted on Sep, 11 2018 @ 09:17 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

We'll have to agree to differ on that.
Money may not be the only reason, but it is one of the top reasons

"https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/03/12/costco-vs-wal-mart-higher-wages-mean-superior-retu.aspx"

"Costco understands the importance of attracting and retaining a skilled and incentivized workforce."

"Wal-Mart, on the other hand, has been widely criticized for insufficient wages"




posted on Sep, 11 2018 @ 09:22 PM
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originally posted by: 0zzymand0s

If higher wages lead to higher prices, how do you explain 30+ years of flat wages and 200-400% inflation in food, energy, shelter, medicine, education, and entertainment?

Your mantra is religion, not economics. We have suffered inflation in our cost of living for decades without corresponding increases in pay. People are waking up to it, too, which means -- among other things -- that the lines are getting longer and there ain't enough GAF to go around.



Minimum wage in 1988 was 3.25 per hour. Today it is 7.25..to follow inflation that doubles every 20 years in 2008 minimum wage should have been 6.50 (in 2009 it was moved to 6.55) and today it should be 9.75, so yes it is behind. 17 states have a minimum wage of 10 bucks or more, a good number are pushing to 15 bucks by 2025.

So today inflation is 300% from 30 years ago and a minimum wage of 9.75 would be 300%, so what is your point?


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posted on Sep, 11 2018 @ 09:29 PM
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a reply to: SR1TX
I reread my post, and I can't for the life of me see anything I mentioned that would be considered a "want" and not a need.

a roof over a person's head and the heat, electricity, and water that goes with it, food, decent clothing, transportation, a phone, healthcare and medicine when you are sick or hurt.
a roof over your head doesn't mean a mansion, but it would be nice if one could at least afford a skimpy arse efficiency apartment, decent clothing can be found in second hand stores, and, one doesn't need steak and prime rib, I do well with chicken and occasional hamburg, although the hamburg is starting to get out of my price range.
someone in a low wage job more than likely can't afford those necessities, let alone go off to the virgin islands or where ever and start teaching people how to surf..



posted on Sep, 11 2018 @ 09:33 PM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: notsure1


So in other words you dont want to look dumb by saying something like whatever is more important than pay at a job..

That is the one and only reason we work.

So we can get paid..


Dude how old are you? I'm not making any of this up, it is well known...When I can google 20 million hits that agree with me you can do the same.

I feel like I'm talking to a head fryer at BK. We all work for money, but money is the worst motivator to perform. It is very short lived as I said before. I'm not suggesting anyone would work for free, I'm saying is I would not get more productivity from you and you would not "like" your job better to do better if all I did was give you a raise.


Im 46 a grandpa and I have been self employed for over 20 years.

You can google and get 20 million hits but you cant post one that is more important than money without looking stupid.


You cant even get someone on ATS to agree with you lol.

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posted on Sep, 11 2018 @ 09:33 PM
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originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: Xtrozero

We'll have to agree to differ on that.
Money may not be the only reason, but it is one of the top reasons

"https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/03/12/costco-vs-wal-mart-higher-wages-mean-superior-retu.aspx"

"Costco understands the importance of attracting and retaining a skilled and incentivized workforce."

"Wal-Mart, on the other hand, has been widely criticized for insufficient wages"



Ok so you have two choices work at Walmart and I'll pay you 5 bucks more an hour than Costco, or work at Costco I'll give you free medical, 401k matching program, every other Friday off for a three day weekend, 30 days a year vacation, a reachable promotion program, pay up to 5k a year for school, give you a great supervisor that knows how to lead...All this you don't get a Walmart.

Where do you want to work?



posted on Sep, 11 2018 @ 09:35 PM
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originally posted by: notsure1

Im 46 a grandpa and I have been self employed for over 20 years.

You can google and get 20 million hits but you cant post one that is more important than money without looking stupid.



So what do you know then about leading a team and motivation of that team...Seems an area you do not have much experience in.



posted on Sep, 11 2018 @ 09:36 PM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: notsure1

Im 46 a grandpa and I have been self employed for over 20 years.

You can google and get 20 million hits but you cant post one that is more important than money without looking stupid.



So what do you know then about leading a team and motivation of that team...Seems an area you do not have much experience in.


What? If I had a team at work and work stopped paying me I would not go back to lead my team for free.

Money is the only real motivating factor



posted on Sep, 11 2018 @ 09:41 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

Don't be silly,
I'm talking total compensation.
Those days off, 401 and vacation are all considered total compensation.



posted on Sep, 11 2018 @ 09:42 PM
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Seems like the people do not want to work in jobs in fast food joints or super markets anymore. We have a bunch of young just working part time or not wanting to work at all, feeling if they do not get a great job they are not going to do anything. I see that all over here, they will not even apply for those jobs, they are spoiled. It is not all the people but it is a way bigger percentage than I can remember in the past. Then they go work and quit after a short time because the employer expects them to produce something. We got problems, the kids are draining their parents money, living at home way longer than the should. If they go college, they think they are above working at a job in a supermarket, they do not even think a managers job is worthy of them.

Socialism would never work in this country.
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posted on Sep, 11 2018 @ 09:43 PM
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originally posted by: notsure1

Im 46 a grandpa and I have been self employed for over 20 years.

You can google and get 20 million hits but you cant post one that is more important than money without looking stupid.



The problem is money doesn't trigger Intrinsic motivation, which is long term. Start with that in your search...



posted on Sep, 11 2018 @ 09:45 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: dug88

hell I made 500 a week as a bus boy working 32 hours a week at 17, paid all my own bills and had money left over to say for whatever I wanted

that was only in 2003


You were making over 15.50 an hour as a bus boy? Wait.. unless you mean "make," you mean.. you brought home 500 a week. In which you were making around 19.50 an hour? Yea.. right.. sure you were. If you were, that was not a typical restaurant. Bus boys don't make 20 bucks an hour now, let alone 15 years ago. Min wage back then was under 7 bucks an hour.

These threads are pointless. They are full of braggadocio and chest-thumping. "Well man you suck start your own business you loser!" "Hell, I made that much money 20 years ago LOL you suck!"

Pathetic. How about offering actual constructive criticism instead of telling everyone how amazing you were / are, and how everyone else is simply a slacker if they don't do as well / have the same opportunities as you do.
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posted on Sep, 11 2018 @ 09:45 PM
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originally posted by: JAGStorm

Don't be silly,
I'm talking total compensation.
Those days off, 401 and vacation are all considered total compensation.


Lots of extra self worth in all that too that doesn't have a dollar sign attached...Much of it is long term Intrinsic motivation.



posted on Sep, 11 2018 @ 09:47 PM
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originally posted by: notsure1


What? If I had a team at work and work stopped paying me I would not go back to lead my team for free.

Money is the only real motivating factor


Lol Whatever... don't think you get it...



posted on Sep, 11 2018 @ 09:47 PM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Subaeruginosa

I can't believe you guys are talking about minimum wage in this economy. You really think people are paying minimum wage? I believe the current number is that less than 2% of workers make minimum wage.





So all these jobs that aren't being filled are paying above the minimum wage are they ?



posted on Sep, 11 2018 @ 09:48 PM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: notsure1

Im 46 a grandpa and I have been self employed for over 20 years.

You can google and get 20 million hits but you cant post one that is more important than money without looking stupid.



The problem is money doesn't trigger Intrinsic motivation, which is long term. Start with that in your search...


No because its stupid to even entertain.

If you stopped getting paid would you still go to work? Rhetorical.. Of course you wouldnt.



posted on Sep, 11 2018 @ 09:49 PM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: notsure1


What? If I had a team at work and work stopped paying me I would not go back to lead my team for free.

Money is the only real motivating factor


Lol Whatever... don't think you get it...


Positive you dont get it..



posted on Sep, 11 2018 @ 09:49 PM
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originally posted by: Puppylove
Frank truth is, most people are realizing everything is a sham. Many and I don't blame them would rather live on the street than do nothing but work til they drop to barely cover basic expenses. It's simply not a life worth living.


Pay is still to low and living expenses are way to high.
Capitalism needs to kick in where they raise wages when there is high demand for workers.



posted on Sep, 11 2018 @ 09:51 PM
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There is a massive shortage of workers, at least in my neck of the woods. It’s hard to fill even good, professional jobs, there’s too much competition between employers. Even landscaping jobs, I think they are being really careful who they hire because they are risking accounts by being understaffed. That was unheard of before. I can only speculate why.



posted on Sep, 11 2018 @ 09:52 PM
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a reply to: fleabit

wow relax, calm down

we would take home $65 a night in tips on a busy night which is 3 out of 4 shifts a week on top of base pay rate 4.25 an hour

I lived in a coastal community, one Trump likes to frequent... really close like a flew blocks away



posted on Sep, 11 2018 @ 09:52 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

I think we've been interacting on these boards lone enough that you more than likely know my story.
so, I'm not gonna bother going into it again.
the op is suggesting that we drop the benefits and force those people to get jobs...
my guess is that those people would have skill sets that are less than mine were and not really of "leadership" caliber??




A socialized healthcare system is not sustainable with the way our current system is set up.


ya, ya,
ya know what else is not sustainable??
working a job that is causing health problems and then making them worse while your annual pay doesn't even cover the annual costs to at least keep yourself functioning and able to continue the job.
which is why I would rather wander out into the woods and take my chances with God and mother nature than to go back into the labor force.



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