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Why the left needs to impeach Trump.

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posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 01:28 PM
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a reply to: network dude

Oh NO! I'm "that guy"! Not "that guy"!!! However will I sleep at night because I'm "that guy"? Oh no! And all because I told some super partisan poster on a conservative slanted website that he was giving bad political advice to the opposing political side based on an untruthful strawman. Advice that would be to the people's detriment if they followed through on it.
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posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 01:45 PM
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Impeachment, of a sitting president has 2 parts about it.

It is a trial, where a sitting federal official, such as a President or say a Judge is brought to answer questions, in a trial. Thus is it is for justice and is treated like a trial, with lawyers and attorneys on both sides to argue for and against.

However, there is one other part that is take into consideration, and that is the political aspect. So while the Democrats, and some Republicans may want to remove a sitting president, before any senator would vote on such, they usually return home or get their staff to canvas their districts and find out first hand how the public thinks and feels. If the majority of the people are for it, then the Senator will vote in favor of such, if the public is against it, then the Senator will vote against it.

Thus any impeachment of this president, would require all of the reports, all of the evidence, even the proceedings to be public and where the public can see the evidence and thus let their senator know one way or the other.



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 01:53 PM
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a reply to: sdcigarpig

Here's the thing. The left and Democrats have already figured this out. They did a long time ago. That's why save for a select few, most on the left are tempering calls for impeachment. Most Democrats and liberals, when it comes to Trump, are more so focusing on making sure Trump is investigated for all the stuff the GOP led Congress is pretending doesn't need to be investigated. Then they plan to go from there after the investigations are finished.

It's mostly conservatives like the OP who keep saying that the left is clamoring for impeachment or should clamor for impeachment. I'll give the OP credit and say that at least the OP is honest about his intentions to use those calls as a way to gin up votes for Trump's base. Most conservatives doing this will strawman the left wanting impeachment without even flinching.
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posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 02:17 PM
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a reply to: network dude

All I can say is I'd be very surprised if Trump won again. He only won by a very small margin in something like 18 key precincts in 5 key states necessary to win the Electoral College. The Dems know this and are working hard to gerrymander those precincts to be blue.

Also, a lot of Trumps support came from people who hated HRC, including myself. If in 2020 the Dems don't throw up a total nutter, I probably won't bother to vote in the Presidential race and a lot of people think like that.



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 02:27 PM
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a reply to: TonyS

I think it all depends on if the left trots out another joke like Hillary. At this point, hating Trump and trying to find something he did wrong seems to be way more important than finding a likable contender. And pushing socialism to me, seems like the wrong thing to do, but it sure seems like what the left wants. Time will tell.



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 02:30 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: network dude

Oh NO! I'm "that guy"! Not "that guy"!!! However will I sleep at night because I'm "that guy"? Oh no! And all because I told some super partisan poster on a conservative slanted website that he was giving bad political advice to the opposing political side based on an untruthful strawman. Advice that would be to the people's detriment if they followed through on it.


here is your chance to not look like a pinhead. Show me how I presented a straw man in the OP. I realize that's your go-to move, but I'm not sure it works every time.
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posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 02:31 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Ultimately it will come down to the numbers for any impeachment proceedings to go forward.

It takes 21 to start the process, 218 to agree to it, and that is the house of Representatives, and then it takes 67 in the senate to convict. In short, any one can call for it, but if the numbers are not there it goes no where. It is nothing more than a waste of time.

Here is the thing: Even if the Democrats get majority in the House, but does not have the majority in the Senate, then where does this go? No where.



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 02:36 PM
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originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: TonyS

I think it all depends on if the left trots out another joke like Hillary. At this point, hating Trump and trying to find something he did wrong seems to be way more important than finding a likable contender. And pushing socialism to me, seems like the wrong thing to do, but it sure seems like what the left wants. Time will tell.


I dunno man, the impression I get is that the left is in a pretty safe space, since Trump seems to be his own worst enemy (vis-a-vis the constant inane tweeting and never-ending turnaround among his cabinet - along with the continuous fallout of tell-all books they write afterwards)...

Sure, Trump's approval among his core supporters is great, but among fence-sitters and independents it doesn't look great, and its unlikely with how much the Left hates him that they're going to have trouble turning out the numbers this next go around. Ultimately Trump has to woo and win the middle again, and as I mentioned considering how much damage he's already doing to himself, I doubt the left is going to risk some wild firebrand nominee or some established politician (a-la Hillary) when they can just take the safe middle route and likely breeze into the win.
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posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 02:38 PM
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a reply to: network dude

MMmmmmm, no.

"The Left" may be pushing socialism, but "The Left" isn't the bulk of the Democrat party isn't part of "The Left" and that goes for its politicians as well. The Democrats have "Center-Left" politicians that aren't totally off the wall and while they talk a bit about socialism, they aren't openly proposing a whole lot of change.

Here's the deal. If the "Democrats", i.e., not the "Leftists" wing of the Dems, but the main stream Democrats, offer up something like a moderate Center-Left candidate like Obama, they literally can't lose. Kamala Harris? Cory Booker? to name a few; there's one out of Hawaii who's name I can't remember, and she's sorta the tri-fecta, female, black and hispanic if I remember correctly.

So, no........in 2020 Trump won't be up against a "Left" candidate IMHO.



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 02:42 PM
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a reply to: sdcigarpig

Well said.



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 02:42 PM
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a reply to: TonyS

yea, those first two really made a name for themselves in the Kavenaugh hearing.
I'd be interested to hear how those on the opposing side viewed that fiasco.



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 02:45 PM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: network dude

Oh NO! I'm "that guy"! Not "that guy"!!! However will I sleep at night because I'm "that guy"? Oh no! And all because I told some super partisan poster on a conservative slanted website that he was giving bad political advice to the opposing political side based on an untruthful strawman. Advice that would be to the people's detriment if they followed through on it.


here is your chance to not look like a pinhead. Show me how I presented a straw man in the OP. I realize that's your go-to move, but I'm not sure it works every time.
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Already did to another poster. You are welcome to read that and comment on it, but I'm not going to repeat myself to someone who gives out fake advice to people.



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 02:47 PM
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a reply to: sdcigarpig

And Democrats in Congress are WELL aware of those numbers. That's why they are only talking investigating Trump and most aren't calling for impeachment.



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 02:49 PM
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a reply to: Wayfarer

well, one thing is for sure, no matter what we write here, things in DC will continue as they have been.
But I'm pretty sure I'm more correct than the others, just as they are also convinced of their correctness.

I just want equal justice for all of them, and for some reason, that's no longer a popular opinion.



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 02:53 PM
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originally posted by: intrepid
Impeachment is not only counterproductive at this point it's also folly. Not going to happen. As to the next two elections "You don't have Hillary to kick around anymore." Which is a boon to everyone. Liberals most of all.


Yeah, but I think the Democrats have a visceral need to impeach a Republican president, any one, in revenge for Clinton. They've been salivating over it ever since that happened, and it only got more vicious with the Bush/Gore fiasco.

They'll take on out or die trying.

They didn't get Bush, so now they'll get Trump, and if they don't get Trump, it'll be the next guy/gal.



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 02:55 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: network dude

Oh NO! I'm "that guy"! Not "that guy"!!! However will I sleep at night because I'm "that guy"? Oh no! And all because I told some super partisan poster on a conservative slanted website that he was giving bad political advice to the opposing political side based on an untruthful strawman. Advice that would be to the people's detriment if they followed through on it.


here is your chance to not look like a pinhead. Show me how I presented a straw man in the OP. I realize that's your go-to move, but I'm not sure it works every time.
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Already did to another poster. You are welcome to read that and comment on it, but I'm not going to repeat myself to someone who gives out fake advice to people.


so you think that it's a strawman since nobody is actually interested in "impeaching 45"?

Well, I suppose that was last week, this week it's the 25th amendment. Wait till next week when CNN tells you what to believe.

I realize that people like Maxine Waters, Al Green, and Brad Sherman are idiot nobodies, but they sure are loud idiot nobodies.

ETA: and it's not fake advice, it's exactly what I want, which is why I wrote it just like that.
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posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 02:56 PM
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a reply to: intrepid

Provided they can see themselves clear to run a halfway decent candidate. Given what I'm seeing, at the moment, it's not looking good.



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 02:59 PM
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a reply to: seagull

That's the thing -- that's how far left they've gone. As far as the left are concerned, they've got a stellar slate.



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 03:02 PM
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They will attempt to impeach trump because they are still wedded to the same mass hysteria that brought them to shoot for it in the first place. The things they tell themselves—that he is like a cult leader, a dictator, a fascist, an authoritarian, a crazy—have developed in them a moral panic that, for whatever reason, they are unable to dispel.



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 03:02 PM
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originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: network dude

Ok. So why does the Left need to impeach Trump?



Because the left simply CAN-NOT-ACCEPT the fact that Billary LOST the election.

And they NEVER will!


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