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Reality trumps Trump

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posted on Sep, 9 2018 @ 11:54 AM
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Today we notice when the president doesn’t show up...
We are a president-obsessed nation, so much so that we undermine the very idea of our constitutional democracy.
Trump often appears to be a president in rebellion against his office, his breaks with tradition are so jarring, and the tweets so thick, that debate about his behavior tends to be their only propriety.

Members of other nations scoff at the president’s critics, and bask in the glow of the burning norms-when a president fumes over the latest segment from Fox & Friends.

Why should Trump throw all his energy and political capital into producing quick results in Puerto Rico when the island’s poor planning and weak infrastructure have made success impossible?

Why should he bow before Democrats who will never work with him anyway?

Trump’s backers see him as a new kind of president, unburdened by political correctness and unconstrained by the old rules of Beltway deal making. He doesn’t let niceties get in the way of taking care of business.

The Framers, After a successful rebellion against a tyrannical king, envisioned an executive who was limited in power and even stature.
For a good long while, the design held. Many of the responsibilities on Trumps shoulders wasn't part of the job’s original design.
They have accrued to the presidency over time.

We might consider that what looks like incompetence on the part of the officeholder could also be evidence that the office itself is broken.
Ill try to be politically correct: Clinton,Bush,Obama,Trump.

No one man—or woman—can possibly represent the varied, competing interests of 327 million citizens. And the ever-expanding duties of office while managing an executive branch of 2 million employees.
(not including the armed forces)So many issues get to the president that shouldn’t really get there, issues better left down in the bureaucracy to resolve.
A White House once quaintly understaffed is now overstaffed-This leads to a lot of make-work and ass-covering.
Aides who don’t get the attention they want....gripe, then leak.
The never-resting media take those leaks and turn them into new headaches.

Even Trump, not one to readily admit a mistake, has acknowledged that he underestimated the difficulty of the job, 100 days into his term.

Whatever you think of him, Trump is rewiring the presidency—or perhaps more accurately, dismantling the machine and flinging the parts onto the White House lawn.
Demonstrating, in his own way, "draining the swamp".

Or you might consider this: The flaws in the presidency also made a "President Donald Trump" possible—he was an emergency solution to the problems that had tripped up his more conventional predecessors.
Either way, until we fix the office, presidents will continue to be frustrated by its demands, and Americans will continue to be disappointed in their leader.
I no there will be Trump haters saying im just making excuses for him .....bla bla bla

we read where Robots will replace humans.
only a Robot can count to 10 trillion dollars, evaluate & adjust the climate change, measure our food & water supply in balance with our population, and be commander & chief of our war machine with a precise execution of all boogymen without making widows on our homeland.
edit on 9-9-2018 by madenusa because: (no reason given)




posted on Sep, 9 2018 @ 12:04 PM
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"Reality trumpsgtgtgtTrump"

All the pressing issues of another all things Trump day, everyday, life you guys are living, could you at least do a headline that doesn't look like a pigeon trotted across your keyboard?

The more I see of the web, the more I've thought of doing a thread on whether the web has uncovered that language is susceptible to birth defects. Or maybe the Mandela Effect gone full retard? Bigfoot? Something’s not right!



posted on Sep, 9 2018 @ 12:09 PM
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a reply to: madenusa

I think you also have to factor in the Progressives, who have for over 100 years now have been slowly molding the country into something it was never meant to be.

The big reason Trump was elected is that more and more people are realizing just how intrusive our government has become and are starting to push back, and rightly so

Exciting times these... two ideoligies at war for the soul of one of the greatest nations on earth, winner take all.




posted on Sep, 9 2018 @ 12:10 PM
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Looks like you fixed it! God bless you, my child. If that's not possible, it's the thought that counts, you know.



posted on Sep, 9 2018 @ 12:14 PM
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originally posted by: Scrutinizing
Looks like you fixed it! God bless you, my child. If that's not possible, it's the thought that counts, you know.


You sentence structure is horrible. I thought I would help by pointing that out.

Any thoughts about the topic of the thread?

Asking for a friend...



posted on Sep, 9 2018 @ 12:20 PM
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originally posted by: Lumenari

You sentence structure is horrible. I thought I would help by pointing that out.

Any thoughts about the topic of the thread?

Asking for a friend...


Me sentence structure do be horrible. Thank you for you help.

Thoughts on the thread? No, I just clicked on it to see if it was an OP by a pigeon. I have a long list of obsessions Mr. Trump isn't even on!



posted on Sep, 9 2018 @ 12:26 PM
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Progressives, who have for over 100 years now have been slowly molding the country into something it was never meant to be


You mean a corporate, fascist, theocratic, oligarchy? Oh wait, that's not the progressives.



posted on Sep, 9 2018 @ 12:30 PM
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originally posted by: Scrutinizing
Looks like you fixed it! God bless you, my child. If that's not possible, it's the thought that counts, you know.
Thank You...lol Cable networks promote debates with zooming lights and “voice of God” announcers,the present system elevates the crowd-pleasing qualifications above all others..Media coverage, meanwhile, keeps the show going.



posted on Sep, 9 2018 @ 12:46 PM
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originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: madenusa

I think you also have to factor in the Progressives, who have for over 100 years now have been slowly molding the country into something it was never meant to be.

The big reason Trump was elected is that more and more people are realizing just how intrusive our government has become and are starting to push back, and rightly so

Exciting times these... two ideoligies at war for the soul of one of the greatest nations on earth, winner take all.

the president is the biggest celebrity in the world. He has to keep a straight face when he tells us he can fix a 10 trillion dollar budget.Everyone waves—and everyone expects a wave in return.



posted on Sep, 9 2018 @ 12:48 PM
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originally posted by: madenusa

originally posted by: Scrutinizing
Looks like you fixed it! God bless you, my child. If that's not possible, it's the thought that counts, you know.
Thank You...lol Cable networks promote debates with zooming lights and “voice of God” announcers,the present system elevates the crowd-pleasing qualifications above all others..Media coverage, meanwhile, keeps the show going.


It is hilarious. You have all these people that champion themselves thinkers, independent, and about all you see discussed are talking points, fed to people by some talking head, prompting the left Greek chorus to hate what's right, the right Greek chorus to hate what's left, all go to sleep, and get up the next day, to do it again, while, fact is, the usual suspects are all busy, as ever, scheming ways to rob the Treasury blind, for their special interest creatures. It's been said you couldn't make this stuff up, but they do!

Bread and circuses, I reckon, partner. Can just make a guy sleepy.



posted on Sep, 9 2018 @ 12:51 PM
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a reply to: madenusa



We might consider that what looks like incompetence on the part of the officeholder could also be evidence that the office itself is broken.
Ill try to be politically correct: Clinton,Bush,Obama,Trump.


I agree. The very notion that this man Trump would be up to the challenges of that office was just silly to me. As you point out his admittance that he had underestimated it's difficulty, though I applaud his recognition of that fact, is further demonstration of his lack of understanding of our national affairs.

I agree as well that the office itself is if not broken, dramatically out of date. When the office was initiated, this country and the whole world were much simpler. Now, no one man can do it properly.

There is the notion of a team presidency, where rather than voting for one man with a vice back up, we vote for several men to head the exectutive office. Three maybe. Five? Let the American people vote for a person to guide our internal affairs, a person to head up international affairs, economic affairs etc.

Generally what this notion offers is the suggestion that the American people vote for the cabinet rather than relying upon only one man to pick and choose who is to oversee all of these diverse aspects of national affairs.



posted on Sep, 9 2018 @ 01:15 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari

We can't be like a country from 100 years ago. That's just silly. A country is forced to evolve over time. Weren't conservatives the ones who wanted racial segregation too?



posted on Sep, 9 2018 @ 01:30 PM
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originally posted by: CB328



Progressives, who have for over 100 years now have been slowly molding the country into something it was never meant to be


You mean a corporate, fascist, theocratic, oligarchy? Oh wait, that's not the progressives.

No. That would be Russia.



posted on Sep, 9 2018 @ 02:01 PM
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originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: madenusa

I think you also have to factor in the Progressives, who have for over 100 years now have been slowly molding the country into something it was never meant to be.

The big reason Trump was elected is that more and more people are realizing just how intrusive our government has become and are starting to push back, and rightly so

Exciting times these... two ideoligies at war for the soul of one of the greatest nations on earth, winner take all.



Very well said; and its the Progressives who have so handily diminishing states rights thereby undermining the Republic in their endess quest for an all-powerful, dominant National Government. They glory in centralization of authority and power. Thus, the Executive Office has been given jurisdiction way beyond the Founders intention.

If you want to preserve your freedoms from the grasp of the Authoritarian Progressives, you have to work to preserve and recapture States rights and authorities.



posted on Sep, 9 2018 @ 02:16 PM
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The big reason Trump was elected is that more and more people are realizing just how intrusive our government has become


It's corporations that are intrusive. Corporations control almost every facet of our lives now, not government.



posted on Sep, 9 2018 @ 09:34 PM
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originally posted by: CB328



Progressives, who have for over 100 years now have been slowly molding the country into something it was never meant to be


You mean a corporate, fascist, theocratic, oligarchy? Oh wait, that's not the progressives.

You will learn one day that what you describe is EXACTLY the Progressive movement . But add Socialism instead of Corporatism

Maybe , you will learn soon
Hopefully , it does not take a lifetime

I did



posted on Sep, 9 2018 @ 10:32 PM
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Having read through what the Op has written the following can be stated:

There are 2 points that I would disagree with and that is the point on Puerto Rico and what made a president Trump possible.

And both are the product of We the People. Puerto Rico is a territory of the USA, and for far too long has been ignored and governed unwisely to the point where this was bound to happen. It, like several other territories are often ignored, until they are needed and then we act in shock at the condition of the bad mismanagement. And what is even worse, is that many do not see the people of that island as citizens of the USA, which they are. For far too long, that island population has been on the fence for a long time if they want to be a state or not. And what is even worse, is that the politicians, the very people that we have elected, have not tried to sway them one way or the other, and it often ends up with these people choosing to remain where they are. No one ever asked the people directly, giving them a direct choice, but gave them a choice with conditions and now we have the disaster that has happened.

The infrastructure was poor, yet they should not be ignored. It is the same for say the gulf coast after say any major hurricane, should we abandon our fellow citizens in their time of need, not helping them cause they chose to live there, destroying the very environment or altering it that causes far more problems than normal? The answer is no, and we should not abandon the island, but need to make it clear that they need to decide once and for all, if they want to be a full state or to be an independent nation on their own.

The other is that it was not the flaws in the Presidency that made a President Trump, but that within ourselves. The very mindset of the people of this country that allowed for this to happen. Face it, neither candidate was wanted, and ultimately came down to the proverbial choice of 2 evils. Both had flaws, and skeletons in the closet, and was going to cause far more problems. But what is far more worse, is that far too often people, even when the truth is present, will refuse to accept it.



posted on Sep, 9 2018 @ 11:25 PM
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originally posted by: CB328



Progressives, who have for over 100 years now have been slowly molding the country into something it was never meant to be


You mean a corporate, fascist, theocratic, oligarchy? Oh wait, that's not the progressives.


Sure it is..just the retarded side of it that doesn't know they serve an even worse version of it.



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 07:13 PM
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a reply to: sdcigarpigthe theatrical role presidents play: We now expect the president to be a first responder.
Local governments, civil-defense forces, and the Red Cross distribute relief when a storm hit.... core American values.
government is to big, its taking the place even of rescuing the person, the individual, and the family from his natural disasters.
People can expect so much from one individual and still consider themselves involved in something that can be described as self-government.
Its a lot easier to say the president is responsible—and therefore to blame—for everything that happens in the executive branch, much less the nation when I give half my paycheck away every week....

Let the fema director and governor handle disaster response....



posted on Sep, 11 2018 @ 12:04 AM
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Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown.

The thing here is that there are many departments that are under the control of the Executive branch. FEMA is one such branch that is under the direct control of the President of the USA. Being president, also means one takes either the blame or the praise for the actions of any department under the control of the President.

There are a lot of territories that is under the control of the United States of America, and there 5 inhabited sets of islands that fall in that category. So while these are US citizens, they are not granted the full rights as other citizens. And like any territory, there is usually someone in a department, at a cabinet level, that oversees the way the territory is operating. This condition when it comes to Puerto Rico, did not happen over night, and has been going on for a long time, gradually building up and compounding year after year. Yet no one took notice until now, and now there is a disaster.

The bottom line is that Puerto Rico, is a part of the US, under its control and jurisdiction. And the people of Puerto Rico need to decide for once and all if it wants to be a state or not. And the congress needs to act on that decision. So far Congress, under the Republicans are not so motivated to do such.




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