So what, I'm a descendant of The Impaler also. I'm sure there's no connection between having draculean blood and being a greedy, murdering, lying, scumbag. I'm not saying Bush and Kerry aren't kissing cousins (hows that for mental imagery:barf and I'm not saying the election was fair or politicians kick ass, all I'm saying is their blood doesn't have anything to do with it. Their perception of the importance of their blood on the other hand..

Not saying there is anything wrong with Vlad the impailers blood or the Windsors.

Bush and Kerry dont want us to know that they are related to royalty though. They are regular guys, not related to royalty.

Wyrde One, whats your blood type?

Why shouldn't people think that Blue bloods believe in Blue-bloodedness?

Thats the MOST important thing to realize, is that the Elite do not have the same value system as normal people, and thats what confuses people the most, when they believe the lie that Elite view themselves as being no different from everyone else.

Originally posted by akilles
Why shouldn't people think that Blue bloods believe in Blue-bloodedness?

Thats the MOST important thing to realize, is that the Elite do not have the same value system as normal people, and thats what confuses people the most, when they believe the lie that Elite view themselves as being no different from everyone else.

And how would YOU know this? Are you a psychologist? Sociologist? Or are you yourself an ELITE, or a close confidant of one? Didn't think so...

I have been involved in genealogy for quite a while. The link to the real Dracula, as far as I know is not a blood relations (a descent) or a common link (a cousin). It appears that this "so-called" Bush and Kerry link to Dracula is that they are cousins of Prince Charles, who is a descendant of Vlad. This is called a lateral relationship, and is of no significance whatsoever.

I provide a small fraction of my research into these matters on my site, blue-blood.co.uk

Although about 90% of my research is to be published. There is also no explanations of my site of yet. So if you are not familiar with genealogy I would advise not to be to hasty in your conclusions.

David

These people are descended from Vlad according to a reliable genealogist:

1 Princess Victoria Mary Augusta Louise Olga Pauline Claudine Agnes of Teck b. 26 May 1867 d. 24 Mar 1953
+ Prince Albert Victor of Great Britain and Ireland b. 8 Jan 1864 d. 14 Jan 1892
George V b. 3 Jun 1865 d. 20 Jan 1936
2 Edward VIII , King of Great Britain and Ireland 1936-1936 b. 23 Jun 1894 d. 28 May 1972
+ Wallis Warfield b. 19 Jun 1896 d. 24 Apr 1986
+ Winifred Alexander d. 1930
+ Lady Rosemary Millicent Leveson-Gower b. 9 Aug 1893 d. 21 Jul 1930
+ Freda Birkin b. 28 Jul 1894 d. 16 Mar 1983
Mollee Little
3 Private

4 Barbara Chisholm

5 Scott Chisholm
4 Roy Chisholm
+ Audrey Evelyn James b. 1902 d. 1968
+ Hon. Bridget Colebrooke b. 29 Jan 1892
+ Thelma Morgan b. 23 Aug 1904 d. 1970
Vera Birkin b. 22 Apr 1903 d. 30 Oct 1970
3 Timothy Ward Seely b. 10 Jun 1935
2 George VI , King of Great Britain and Ireland 1936-1952 b. 14 Dec 1895 d. 6 Feb 1952
Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon b. 4 Aug 1900 d. 30 Mar 2002
3 Elizabeth II , Queen of Great Britain and N-Ireland 1952- b. 21 Apr 1926
Prince Philip b. 10 Jun 1921
4 Charles , Prince of Wales b. 14 Nov 1948
Lady Diana Spencer b. 1 Jul 1961 d. 31 Aug 1997
5 Prince William of Wales, Prince of Great Britain and Northern Ireland b. 21 Jun 1982
5 Prince Harry of Wales, Prince of Great Britain and Northern Ireland b. 15 Sep 1984
+ Camilla Rosemary Shand b. 17 Jul 1947
+ Dale Elizabeth Harper b. 3 Jan 1948 d. 15 Nov 1997
4 Princess Anne of Great Britain and N-Ireland, Princess Royal b. 15 Aug 1950
Mark Anthony Peter Phillips b. 22 Sep 1948
5 Peter Mark Andrew Phillips b. 15 Nov 1977
5 Zara Phillips b. 15 May 1981
+ Timothy Laurence b. 1 Mar 1955
4 Prince Andrew of Great Britain and N-Ireland, Duke of York b. 19 Feb 1960
Sarah Margaret Ferguson b. 15 Oct 1959
5 Princess Beatrice of York, Princess of Great Britain and N-Ireland b. 8 Aug 1988
5 Princess Eugenie of York, Princess of Great Britain and Northern Ireland b. 23 Mar 1990
4 Prince Edward of Great Britain and N-Ireland, Earl of Wessex, Viscount Severn b. 10 Mar 1964
Sophie Rhys-Jones b. 20 Jan 1965
5 Lady Louise Mountbatten Windsor b. 8 Nov 2003
3 Princess Margaret of Great Britain and N-Ireland b. 21 Aug 1930 d. 9 Feb 2002
Antony Charles Robert Armstrong-Jones b. 7 Mar 1930
4 David Armstrong-Jones, Viscount Linley b. 3 Nov 1961
Lady Serena Stanhope b. 1 Mar 1970
5 Hon. Charles Patrick Inigo Armstrong-Jones b. 27 Jun 1999
5 Hon. Margarita Armstrong-Jones b. 14 May 2002
4 Lady Sarah Armstrong-Jones b. 1 May 1964
Daniel Chatto
5 Samuel David Benedict Chatto b. 28 Jul 1996
5 Arthur Robert Nathaniel Chatto b. 5 Feb 1999
2 Princess Mary of Great Britain and Ireland, Princess Royal b. 25 Apr 1897 d. 28 Mar 1965
Henry George Charles Lascelles b. 9 Sep 1882 d. 24 May 1947
3 George Lascelles, 7th Earl of Harewood b. 7 Feb 1923
Marion Stein b. 18 Oct 1927
4 David Lascelles, Viscount Lascelles b. 21 Oct 1950
Margaret Messenger b. 15 Apr 1948
5 Emily Tsering Lascelles b. 23 Nov 1975
5 Benjamin George Lascelles b. 19 Sep 1978
5 Hon. Alexander Edgar Lascelles b. 13 May 1980
5 Hon. Edward David Lascelles b. 19 Nov 1982
4 Hon. James Lascelles b. 5 Oct 1953
Fredericka Ann Duhrsson b. 12 Jun 1954
5 Sophie Amber Lascelles b. 1 Oct 1973
5 Rowan Nash Lascelles b. 6 Nov 1977
Shadow Lee b. 29 Aug 1954
5 Tanit Lascelles b. 1 Jul 1981
5 Tewa Lascelles b. 8 Jun 1985
4 Hon. Jeremy Lascelles b. 14 Feb 1955
Julie Baylis b. 19 Jul 1957
5 Thomas Robert Lascelles b. 7 Sep 1982
5 Ellen Mary Lascelles b. 17 Dec 1984
5 Amy Rose Lascelles b. 26 Jun 1986
Patricia Elizabeth Tuckwell b. 24 Nov 1926
4 Mark Hubert Lascelles b. 5 Jul 1964
Andrea Kershaw
5 Charlotte Lascelles b. 24 Jan 1996
5 Imogen Lascelles b. 3 Jan 1998
5 Miranda Lascelles b. 15 Jul 2000
3 Hon. Gerald David Lascelles b. 21 Aug 1924 d. 27 Feb 1998
Angela Dowding b. 20 Apr 1919
4 Henry Ulick Lascelles b. 19 May 1953
Alexandra Morton b. 15 Apr 1953
5 Maximilian Lascelles b. 1991
Elizabeth Evelyn Collingwood b. 23 Apr 1924
4 Martin David Lascelles b. 9 Feb 1962
+ Charmaine Christine Ecclestone b. 24 Dec 1962
2 Prince Henry of Great Britain and Ireland, 1st Duke of Gloucester b. 31 Mar 1900 d. 9 Jun 1974
Lady Alice Christabel Montagu-Douglas-Scott b. 25 Dec 1901 d. 29 Oct 2004
3 Prince William of Gloucester, Prince of Great Britain and Ireland b. 18 Dec 1941 d. 28 Aug 1972
3 Prince Richard of Great Britain and Ireland, 2nd Duke of Gloucester b. 26 Aug 1944
Brigitte Eva van Deurs b. 2 Jun 1946
4 Alexander Windsor, Earl of Ulster b. 24 Oct 1974
+ Dr. Claire Booth b. 29 Dec 1977
4 Lady Davina Windsor b. 19 Nov 1978
+ Gary Lewis
4 Lady Rose Windsor b. 1 Mar 1980
2 Prince George of Great Britain and Ireland, 1st Duke of Kent b. 20 Dec 1902 d. 25 Aug 1942
Princess Marina of Greece and Denmark b. 13 Dec 1906 d. 24 Aug 1968
3 Prince Edward of Great Britain and Ireland, 2nd Duke of Kent b. 9 Oct 1935
Katharine Worsley b. 22 Feb 1933
4 George Windsor, Earl of St.Andrews b. 26 Jun 1962
Sylvana Palma Tomaselli b. 28 May 1957
5 Edward Windsor, Lord Downpatrick b. 1 Dec 1988
5 Lady Marina Windsor b. 30 Sep 1992
5 Lady Amelia Windsor b. 24 Aug 1995
4 Lady Helen Windsor b. 28 Apr 1964
Timothy Verner Taylor b. 8 Aug 1963
5 Columbus George Donald Taylor b. 6 Aug 1994
5 Cassius Edward Taylor b. 26 Dec 1996
5 Eloise Taylor b. 2 Mar 2003
4 Lord Nicholas Windsor b. 25 Jul 1970
3 Princess Alexandra of Kent, Princess of Great Britain and Ireland b. 25 Dec 1936
The Rt. Hon. Sir Angus Ogilvy b. 28 Sep 1928
4 James Ogilvy b. 29 Feb 1964
Julia Rawlinson b. 1964
5 Flora Alexandra Ogilvy b. 15 Dec 1994
5 Alexander Charles Ogilvy b. 12 Nov 1996
4 Marina Ogilvy b. 31 Jul 1966
Paul Julian Mowatt b. 1963
5 Zenoushka May Mowatt b. 26 May 1990
5 Christian Alexander Mowatt b. 4 Jun 1993
3 Prince Michael of Kent, Prince of Great Britain and N-Ireland b. 4 Jul 1942
Baroness Marie Christine von Reibnitz b. 15 Jan 1945
4 Lord Frederick Windsor b. 6 Apr 1979
4 Lady Gabriella Windsor b. 23 Apr 1981
2 Prince John of Great Britain and Ireland b. 12 Jul 1905 d. 18 Jan 1919

Hehehe

When the goodly Lord dips his wick in the servant girls, their offspring don't get to be on the list. That's a shame, because the list would be..hmmm...I'd guess longer by a factor of 7.

As to my blood type, I honestly don't know.I've never required a transfusion or given blood to find out. I'm sure it's on some record somewhere, but I've no idea.

Not every blue blood believes in blue bloodedness, whatever that means. Look at your arm man, it's probably blue in your veins too...

The bastards abound, I'm living proof!

We don't have to follow the same rules.

Blue Blood is just an expression, for royal blood, not literally meaing blood that is blue.

Originally posted by WyrdeOne
Hehehe

When the goodly Lord dips his wick in the servant girls, their offspring don't get to be on the list. That's a shame, because the list would be..hmmm...I'd guess longer by a factor of 7.

As to my blood type, I honestly don't know.I've never required a transfusion or given blood to find out. I'm sure it's on some record somewhere, but I've no idea.

Not every blue blood believes in blue bloodedness, whatever that means. Look at your arm man, it's probably blue in your veins too...

The bastards abound, I'm living proof!

We don't have to follow the same rules.

Not too menton when the good lady recieves "riding lessons" from the stable hands. Thats why the "geneology" of the royal lne is pre D bull*hit. The simple fact is that the only form of genealogy pror to genetic testing that can be trusted is mother daughter. There is no way to tell if any of the children of lords are actually thiers.

Anybody can make claims that they are related to any historical figure but untill I see a reasonable shred of proof its all just a claim. No offence wrydeone but I could just as easily claim to be a decndant of attilla the hun or some other infamous historical figure. And as a geneologist I gotta tell you nobody will take any claim like that seriously untill you can show some form of documentation.

zombiemann
Of course we can't exactly do a DNA test online, and since the accepted family trees are pretty much agreed to be only partially representative, you can claim to be decended from attila the hun. The best way, probably the only way, for relatives to succesfully seek damages is to pony up for the test and take the results to a court in the jurisdiction where the ancestor controls the most money.

Of course, there are probably dozens of incidents where perfectly nice people were murdered because they threatened to tell on the lords and ladies who don't practice what they preach, in RECENT history. In ancient history there are no doubt thousands of similar occurences.

Hierarch, I know it's just a phrase, I was just having a bit of fun with you. I think the etymology, or at least my version of the etymology, rich men don't bleed, so their blood is always blue. The royalty aren't supposed to bleed to protect the country, that's the duty of the peasants; all us Red Blooded Americans.

Ironic that we had European royalty versus royalty running against each other in the same American race - but it's happened several, no many times before. Hierarch, you also made the comment about the trees branching laterally, and how this sort of connection was irrelevant. The blue bloods don't think so, or at least, I don't perceive that they do. Title is title, claim is claim, money is money. They strive at all costs to keep money in the family. It's their own sort of flacid attempt at immortality and guaranteed superiority. It's not very effective, as many assorted revolutions can attest.

To some these things are the height of importance. To others it is not that interesting who sired whom. I find it mildy interesting, but I'm always tempted to go farther and farther back, and then I realize the essence of what I'm doing. I'm retracing my steps to Ape for the purpose of venerating and emulating those long dead. Better to be the man of this century than the man of last century.

The interesting thing is genetically speaking were almost all interrelated. You got to understand that the human race started out from a small group. The people in England who can trace the genes back to the original “cavemen” who settled the island can only trace there roots to 7 distinct genetic families. If you look hard enough you can find a genetic link to any human past present of future.

Regarding the above post. This is not true, as a good portion of the genealogical record has been lost or never exsisted. For this reason not many people can claim a descent from Vlad. I would guess that it is only royalt and "nobility" that can trace him as an ancestor, as the easten european records poor even for the "nobility". So it is significant f you can TRACE your ancestry to Vlad as not many people can do this with avaliable records.

Look into the Merovingian Blood line, that's a pretty interesting bit of reading. There is a basic law in physics that also applies to human nature, those in power tend to stay in power. The rise of western civilzation has given the populous the illusion that the historic elite families are no longer in charge, but if you follow the geneology closely, you will find that feudalism is alive and well, even here in America.

Originally posted by twitchy
Look into the Merovingian Blood line, that's a pretty interesting bit of reading. There is a basic law in physics that also applies to human nature, those in power tend to stay in power. The rise of western civilzation has given the populous the illusion that the historic elite families are no longer in charge, but if you follow the geneology closely, you will find that feudalism is alive and well, even here in America.

You're telling me that nobody has ever lost their power? I could give you examples of entire bloodlines that have lost their power. What are you talking about?

I think what the above poster was implying is that ancestry is important to rising to political power, not that certain families have for thousands of years held positions of power. I can indeed confirm this to an extent as this is my area of research. I have currently been researching the Presidents of Costa Rica, and found that almost all can be linked by blood or marriage to one person who died about 1630 AD. You will be able to find this some time within the next week on my site blue-blood.co.uk

What the above posts states about America is also true, people who are descended from certain american colonists have held power since Washington.

Originally posted by hierarch
I think what the above poster was implying is that ancestry is important to rising to political power, not that certain families have for thousands of years held positions of power. I can indeed confirm this to an extent as this is my area of research. I have currently been researching the Presidents of Costa Rica, and found that almost all can be linked by blood or marriage to one person who died about 1630 AD. You will be able to find this some time within the next week on my site blue-blood.co.uk

What the above posts states about America is also true, people who are descended from certain american colonists have held power since Washington.

So what do you think the REASON is that those from certain bloodlines stay in power? I mean, certain families tend to be political with a tradition of civil service, while other times a ruler may use his family's history to his advantage-- but it seems like the poster was insinuating some other reason, like a conspiracy of sorts, as to why people in power stay in power.

The insinuation was: Things are not as democratic or as RANDOM as they should be, in the field of politics, power, and bloodlines.

Multigenerational conspiracy is always ridiculed, as if ensuring wealth and power from generation to generation among a select group of families is impossible and LUDICROUS.

Saying Politics happens to run in a family is like saying they are born to govern.

And when both candidates (ie. ALL) are of elite blood, well that sure drives the point home now doesn't it.

I've heard the 'etymology' of the phrase blue blood had more to do with the blood disorders such as hemophilia that run in the family...

Umm...Bush or Kerry are in no way related to Vlad the Impaler...not even in the blood.