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National Solar Observatory, USPS office in Sunspot, NM evacuated for 'safety reasons'

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posted on Sep, 15 2018 @ 08:07 PM
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I'm not sure I've read this comment from the Sheriff before...


Otero County Sheriff Benny House, however, said FBI agents told him the observatory would be powered down for a few days.


In any case, while the White Sands Missile Range said that they didn't have anything worthy going on the day of the observatory shutdown, apparently there have been a number of tests done at White Sands for Northrop Grumman's new Integrated Air and Missile Defense (IAMD) Battle Command System (IBCS) since August 2017.

I find it interesting that Northrop Grumman chose to post another news release about test findings on the IBCS on September 12th.

news.northropgrumman.com...




posted on Sep, 15 2018 @ 08:09 PM
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a reply to: BASSPLYR

I don't think Linda molten cow knows what day of the week it is...dotys unsuspecting tag team partner..

Her website states that alot of observatories have been wrongfully reported as being down when they aren't. More left hand right hand stuff bass...



posted on Sep, 15 2018 @ 08:11 PM
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a reply to: SeaWorthy

If it is viral marketing the FBI are complicit it seems and I think that is a bit much to believe.

I am saying that the observatory is using the investigation as a springboard of sorts. The FBI isn't involved per se- but maybe some opportunist decided it was an opportunity too good to pass up. As long as the FBI probably isn't bugged directly, or like there's people dressed up LIKE FBI agents hassling anyone who wanders in, I bet they pretty much are looking the other way while they unravel their issue.
"Don't dress up like us, don't play FBI, and, well, do whatever. We're working on this thing."
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posted on Sep, 15 2018 @ 08:20 PM
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originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: wylekat

What's the earthfiles link claim. Just curious. I know what's going on at the observatory but am interested in if she's (multon howe) is even remotely close to the truth.


She owes me an apology way back from the whole alien drone (the CARAT stuff) with the wacky writing on it fiasco. I was solidly convinced it was fake, and told her so and *why*. She told me I was an idiot, (politely, of course), and then, when it all tumbled out to be a hoax, I never got so much as a "...and the horse you rode in on" from her. I halfway take what she says with a grain of salt- this being an exception. Why would she, as much of a conspiracy person she is, go against the grain and claim the observatories in question weren't closed? Why wouldn't she jump on the bandwagon, wrong or not, and just decide something *was* up? Why take a complete and opposite stance from the people claiming that all of the observatories picked up something of an ET nature?

Gut feeling says she would be all over those closings and relishing every second of building mystery as to what was lurking supposedly out there. This took me by surprise.



posted on Sep, 15 2018 @ 08:32 PM
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a reply to: Deetermined

That was back in May. And there's not a lot to see with their testing. They're only using dispersed sensors and aircraft to stimulate missiles.



posted on Sep, 15 2018 @ 08:34 PM
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originally posted by: wylekat

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: wylekat

What's the earthfiles link claim. Just curious. I know what's going on at the observatory but am interested in if she's (multon howe) is even remotely close to the truth.


She owes me an apology way back from the whole alien drone (the CARAT stuff) with the wacky writing on it fiasco. I was solidly convinced it was fake, and told her so and *why*. She told me I was an idiot, (politely, of course), and then, when it all tumbled out to be a hoax, I never got so much as a "...and the horse you rode in on" from her. I halfway take what she says with a grain of salt- this being an exception. Why would she, as much of a conspiracy person she is, go against the grain and claim the observatories in question weren't closed? Why wouldn't she jump on the bandwagon, wrong or not, and just decide something *was* up? Why take a complete and opposite stance from the people claiming that all of the observatories picked up something of an ET nature?

Gut feeling says she would be all over those closings and relishing every second of building mystery as to what was lurking supposedly out there. This took me by surprise.


She’s always grated me and her looks these day creep me out she looks otherworldly these days.😋



posted on Sep, 15 2018 @ 08:35 PM
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originally posted by: wylekat
a reply to: SeaWorthy

If it is viral marketing the FBI are complicit it seems and I think that is a bit much to believe.

I am saying that the observatory is using the investigation as a springboard of sorts. The FBI isn't involved per se- but maybe some opportunist decided it was an opportunity too good to pass up. As long as the FBI probably isn't bugged directly, or like there's people dressed up LIKE FBI agents hassling anyone who wanders in, I bet they pretty much are looking the other way while they unravel their issue.
"Don't dress up like us, don't play FBI, and, well, do whatever. We're working on this thing."

Me don’t thinks the headache over all this is worth the extra “business” but that’s just IMO.
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posted on Sep, 15 2018 @ 08:38 PM
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originally posted by: pigsy2400
a reply to: BASSPLYR

I don't think Linda molten cow knows what day of the week it is...dotys unsuspecting tag team partner..

Her website states that alot of observatories have been wrongfully reported as being down when they aren't. More left hand right hand stuff bass...


Well, I included the link because it is an update, I didn't hear it can't find it but if she said they were not closed I figure she must have some evidence of that.

One she has many resources so she has a chance to actually speak to someone who will respond.

Two she does have an open enough mind to not laugh at aliens.



posted on Sep, 15 2018 @ 08:41 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Deetermined

That was back in May. And there's not a lot to see with their testing. They're only using dispersed sensors and aircraft to stimulate missiles.


The reason I linked to Northrop Grumman's entire news release page instead of linking just that one single news release was because I thought the news releases that came out on August 15th, 2018 and December 12th, 2017 were worth noting. I guess I should have said that in my original post.

Besides, if we're talking about the possibility of someone placing equipment around the observatory that's capable of intercepting signals or data coming from White Sands, this would definitely be of interest to Chinese hackers or anyone else trying to steal secrets.

From the Sept 12th news release...


In the live air test, IBCS demonstrated its ability to combine data from sensors and multiple information sources to accomplish simulated engagements of both real and simulated fixed-wing, rotary-wing, cruise missile and tactical ballistic missile targets.

Military aircraft such as F-15 and F-16 fighters and the slower-moving C-12 turboprop were used as surrogates, replicating the flight patterns of adversary threats along a flight corridor of the White Sands Missile Range.

The test was designed to evaluate various hardware and software functions of the Army’s future IAMD “system of systems,” of which Northrop Grumman’s IBCS is the centerpiece. Twenty major IBCS components were involved in the trial, including IBCS engagement operations centers and integrated fire control network relays.

The test had a number of key objectives, including: the exercise of launcher and sensor controls in a live environment; conduction of simultaneous simulated engagements of multiple aerial targets; integration with the Link 16 tactical data and Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B) air traffic management networks; and contribution to the joint single integrated air picture.



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posted on Sep, 15 2018 @ 08:49 PM
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originally posted by: pigsy2400
a reply to: BASSPLYR

I don't think Linda molten cow knows what day of the week it is...dotys unsuspecting tag team partner..

Her website states that alot of observatories have been wrongfully reported as being down when they aren't. More left hand right hand stuff bass...

I’ve brought up the Doty Benniwitz connection a time or 3 in this thread, anyone sticking by Doty is suspect in my eyes.



posted on Sep, 15 2018 @ 09:15 PM
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It's making more sense to me now.
Late yesterday I mentioned about the staffs at the site is the very first key to figuring out this whole situation.

It looks like there are 4 researchers who work night shift at the Apache Point Observatory and they may be the actual reason for the evacuation.


McAteer said his consortium assigns four researchers to the facility, although the Association of Universities for Research in Astronomy, another consortium, manages the buildings and other infrastructure with an additional four or five people. That consortium, McAteer said, had ordered the site vacated, providing no other reason than a “security” issue. He said the researchers did not spot anything in the sun to necessitate them leaving, nor were they aware of any scientific reason — such as an anomaly in the data they were collecting — for doing so.


wapo.st...

If you remember the time of FBI ordering evacuation, it happened around 10am on 9/6.

Could this be about what these 4 researchers found on that prior early evening?

Just connect UTC time to New Mexico's local time and you'll know what I mean.
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posted on Sep, 15 2018 @ 09:24 PM
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a reply to: Deetermined

Except that the signals would be fairly tight beam and directed. Not something easily intercepted unless you were along the transmission path. They might get some of the radar signal, but not the key points of the system.
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posted on Sep, 15 2018 @ 09:26 PM
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a reply to: Dumbdowned

Apache Point is a separate observatory a mile or so away from the Sunspot Observatory. The staff at Sunspot is made up of people from AURA and the New Mexico State University, which is who McAteer works for. AURA has been keeping the University in the dark about what's going on along with everyone else. I think intelligence detected something and informed AURA to shut down the Sunspot Observatory, but it could have been the other way around.



posted on Sep, 15 2018 @ 09:31 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Deetermined

Except that the signals would be fairly tight beam and directed. Not something easily intercepted unless you were along the transmission path.


The news release states that they were using multiple information sources, including air traffic management networks that communicated between White Sands, a location in Alabama, as well as a location in Texas.


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posted on Sep, 15 2018 @ 09:40 PM
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a reply to: Deetermined

The link would be through SATCOM and narrow beam, making it hard to intercept. The radar signals wouldn't be, but everything else would be. They also used ADS-B which is a passive receiver relying on signals from the transponder.
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posted on Sep, 15 2018 @ 09:42 PM
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a reply to: Deetermined

Just connect the dots..


The observatory is operated by New Mexico State University (NMSU) and owned by the Astrophysical Research Consortium (ARC). Access to the telescopes and buildings is restricted, but the public is able to visit the grounds.


en.wikipedia.org...

Access to this observatory is restricted although it is allowed to the public to visit the grounds during the day.
Telescope at this site is dedicated only to select number of researchers to watch the skies at night because it's got the "infrared" scope which the NSO don't have.



posted on Sep, 15 2018 @ 10:31 PM
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a reply to: Dumbdowned

I don't understand the connection.

The Apache Point Observatory was never closed.



posted on Sep, 15 2018 @ 10:36 PM
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a reply to: BlueAjah

Also, the apache point observatory is in no way involved. Nor affected



posted on Sep, 15 2018 @ 10:42 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

Zaphod, you mentioned an explanation that could be so mundane, that if it was to come out, wouldn't be believed anyway.
If that's the case, why hasn't the entire operation been addressed with a modicum of transparency?
Generally speaking nothing burgers get forgotten and moved on from with a lot less attention than this absolute s*** show has become.



posted on Sep, 15 2018 @ 10:47 PM
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a reply to: caterpillage

Because the fact that something is mundane doesn't always mean it's good to release it. There are some things that are mundane that still affect operations and security. And there's not a really good cover story that would cover what this is rumored to be.
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