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posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 03:47 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: Whatthedoctorordered

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: AutisticEvo



As a person who works in the medical field, absolutely none of these are signs of dementia, and are easily explained away as there are several factors involved.


Are you claiming to be a gerontologist or neurosurgeon? And do you feel comfortable with the Commander in Chief behaving in ways that need to be "explained away?"


Im telling you that I work in the medical field, and Im also an active member of the Alzheimer's Association, and formerly worked in Palliative care for dementia patients.

And I can tell you unequivocally your video is BS.

But go ahead and tell me how much more you know than me, it seems to be your MO in threads.

And yes , absolutely everything in that video can be explained by factors that were going on in their respective environments.

So youre not going to convince me any different, because I KNOW MEDICALLY what the symptoms look like in so many of their various forms.
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posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 08:04 AM
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originally posted by: Guiltyguitarist
a reply to: soberbacchus

So your argument is that Trump is doing better than Obama but not better enough?



Reality, not my opinion, is that Trump is not "doing better" than Obama by any economic measure.

Obama had multiple quarters with Higher GDP than Trump.

Obama lowered the unemployment by MORE ..year over year, in total and on average (any measure) since recovery than Trump has.

It's a relay race and Obama handed the baton to an stumbling idiot. Just because we are closer to the finish line than before does not mean Trump is a better runner. Kind of the opposite. Trump has a team working hard just to keep Trump from falling over or running the wrong way.



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 11:56 AM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

I'd hope that in eight years you'd manage to find four quarters out of thirty-two with higher growth than the guy who has been on thr job less than eight full quarters... Especially after several quarters of negative "growth", which would make gains easier on a percentage basis.

I'd hope that when unemployment blooms to 9.9% under your watch, you'd be to "lower it by more"...

Meanwhile in not fantasy world, ...US Job Growth Surges, Wage Growth at Highest since 2009


All this in the midst of a trade war that was going to doom our economy... Unemployment continues to hover near an 18-yr low. Job market is surging. Wages are increasing. It's almost like all the hysteria is divorced from reality...


And if the economy is so bad, why is Obama trying to take credit for it? Why aren't you guys all saying, "See? I told you he'd ruin it"?
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posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 12:39 PM
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originally posted by: NarcolepticBuddha
a reply to: notsure1
If Trump actually did become impeached I think the country would just explode. I know I would be pretty upset if a democratically elected president became illegitimately removed by anarchist whiney babies because feelings were hurt.

What's illegitimate about using either the 25th amendment or impeachment? Both are options that are outlined and ok'ed by the actual Constitution for removing a President. You bitching about Trump's removal after one of these options was invoked would be YOU going against the Constitution.
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posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 01:54 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Those options are legitimate, indeed. But Democrats should be careful what they wish for, since the same tactic could easily be used to impeach their future Presidents without any evidence/or a just cause.

Regardless, at this point I am not sure that even a Constitutional solution would prevent the "explosion of chaos" (as someone else described above). In fact, I'm not so sure that isn't going to still happen anyway even when Trump isn't impeached/convicted, considering it is safe to say each sides sufficiently hates the other.

Fortunately the 25th amendment is even more difficult to carry out than impeachment/conviction in Congress. The current political situation (which shows no sign of letting up...intensifying really) doesn't permit 2/3-majority votes from actually being successful.

Democrats will vote against Republicans simply out of spite/malice. And Republicans gladly return the favor, in kind. So in what World do either of those options seem possible?

I do agree though, if they can do so using a Constitutional mechanism based on genuine reasons (ie: supported by evidence, not a mere accusation, actually proven factual) then I'd personally have no problem with it at all. That said, the other 60-something million Trump voters may have something else entirely to say about it. And given the level of deceit, outright lies, malicious rumor/innuendo attacks and political witch-hunt persecutions.... that'd be the final nail in the coffin for a government a good number of Citizens feel is no longer working for them.

We will just have to see what happens. I wouldn't expect any miracles though, and it wouldn't hurt to stock up on extra food/water/medicine/defensive tools/etc



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 01:58 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Those options are legitimate, indeed. But Democrats should be careful what they wish for, since the same tactic could easily be used to impeach their future Presidents without any evidence/or a just cause.

Bill Clinton was already impeached on silliness. We are already well aware that the GOP will stoop to any level to impeach people they don't like. Even invent the narrative that they are retaliating in kind to the Dems doing the same.


Regardless, at this point I am not sure that even a Constitutional solution would prevent the "explosion of chaos" (as someone else described above). In fact, I'm not so sure that isn't going to still happen anyway even when Trump isn't impeached/convicted, considering it is safe to say each sides sufficiently hates the other.

I think you are too invested in politics.


Fortunately the 25th amendment is even more difficult to carry out than impeachment/conviction in Congress. The current political situation (which shows no sign of letting up...intensifying really) doesn't permit 2/3-majority votes from actually being successful.

Democrats will vote against Republicans simply out of spite/malice. And Republicans gladly return the favor, in kind. So in what World do either of those options seem possible?

I do agree though, if they can do so using a Constitutional mechanism based on genuine reasons (ie: supported by evidence, not a mere accusation, actually proven factual) then I'd personally have no problem with it at all. That said, the other 60-something million Trump voters may have something else entirely to say about it. And given the level of deceit, outright lies, malicious rumor/innuendo attacks and political witch-hunt persecutions.... that'd be the final nail in the coffin for a government a good number of Citizens feel is no longer working for them.

I never said it was easy. I was just commenting on that other poster's claim that using a Constitutionally mandated method to remove a President is somehow illegitimate.


We will just have to see what happens. I wouldn't expect any miracles though, and it wouldn't hurt to stock up on extra food/water/medicine/defensive tools/etc

Enjoy your doom porn.



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 02:12 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Agreed, But his impeachment was effectively useless, since the Senate would of course not convict him and remove him from office. And Rightfully so. I do agree it was silly, but it was an entirely different time (before our society became morally bankrupt, etc). If you recall, there was a time in recent history where the people of today were *not* looked at as normal. And I'm not just talking Bill Clinton, I'm talking every single future Democrat POTUS being impeached when the other party regains the House/Senate (which it statistically does, alternating)

Beyond all that....I rather liked Bill Clinton and thought his centrist approach (and fiscal conservatism) made him a good POTUS.


I think you are too invested in politics.


I'm not invested in 'politics' at all. But I'm heavily invested in this Republic, as a Citizen therein, and an American with the Constitutional duty to protect/defend the Constitution - as is every American's duty. Part of that involves taking a position that is always "left" of those attacking the Constitution/our ideals/our unalienable rights. So again, provided Trump's removal was under one of those two provisions you listed, I wouldn't personally have anything to say about it (other than my opinion, perhaps)..again provided it was lawful.

Otherwise, it would constitute a "coup" (ie: removal/attempted removal through means other than Constitutionally proscribed provisions) and garner an appropriate response.

Unfortunately that only applies to my own self of course, and I can't speak for anybody else. I just know out of how many people I've spoken to in the last year/two, very few are willing to accept Trump's removal prior to 2020/2024. Whether its right/wrong, black/white, win/lose/draw...it'd still spell a disastrous period of time for our economy, our people and our nation. Something nobody should want to see. Especially since those opposing Trump are 100:1 doing so for invented/the wrong reasons.


I never said it was easy. I was just commenting on that other poster's claim that using a Constitutionally mandated method to remove a President is somehow illegitimate.


Ah, my mistake!
I agree, it isn't easy but would be perfectly Constitutional.

Although it could be easy to see how such a system could be abused (ie: Democrats attempt to impeach both Trump/Pence arbitrarily to install themselves in power). Again, the SCOTUS would probably not permit them to carry out such a blatantly arbitrary political act....and this too would be "legal" under existing statutes, but I can hardly imagine that ending well either.

I don't disagree with what you're saying, in general. The premise of your argument is factually true (namely: that it is Constitutional/legal to remove via impeachment/conviction or 25A). I am mostly pointing out that the reactions of individuals is rather unpredictable, and that due to the circus we've seen over the last 2 years very few people have much trust left for the government (but it has been eroding for years...and in steady decline since the 20th century)


Enjoy your doom porn.


Call it what you want. Preparations are why some people struggle/suffer/perish in a disaster/emergency/event and why others survive/thrive/live.
I understand the urge to lash out against preparing for emergencies though... it stops the "powerless victim" mentality cold and ensures self-reliance without having to trust any government for anything important/life sustaining (or anything at all, ideally)
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posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 02:25 PM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

No, Trump just had the White House disprove the Obama narrative. Obama did not accomplish 4%, Trump did (exactly as he promised)

In fact, Trump's rebuttal was so strong that moron Scott Dork decided to write about it (in his typical conspiratorial/matter of fact assertion tone that never pans out)

Only problem is, with Dwarfkin writes something, you can actually bet against it. Not one of his weekly predictions have come true, including his latest claim that he filed a criminal complaint against Judge Kavanaugh
What a joke..he's the same one who keeps claiming all these "anonymous sources" tell him things. Again, must be some bad sources since he's wrong 100% of the time.

twitter.com...

Long story short, Obama's economy stood no chance because he was too focused on robbing regular hard working Americans to pay everybody else's bills/expenses. Easy to spend money when it isn't your own. Unfortunately that is one area Trump is only performing moderately better than Obama in...government spending. Although I like *what* Trump is spending the money on far more than Obama's socialist-lite "programs," I still expected he'd outright eliminate ~90% of government and work toward a balanced budget amendment...ensuring Congress/the Executive can't spend money they don't have (in our names!)



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 03:03 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Agreed, But his impeachment was effectively useless, since the Senate would of course not convict him and remove him from office. And Rightfully so. I do agree it was silly, but it was an entirely different time (before our society became morally bankrupt, etc). If you recall, there was a time in recent history where the people of today were *not* looked at as normal. And I'm not just talking Bill Clinton, I'm talking every single future Democrat POTUS being impeached when the other party regains the House/Senate (which it statistically does, alternating)

Beyond all that....I rather liked Bill Clinton and thought his centrist approach (and fiscal conservatism) made him a good POTUS.

Well they can try but just like today they'll still have to overcome the numbers to make it official. 2/3rds of the Senate is a large amount of Senators to get to agree.


I'm not invested in 'politics' at all. But I'm heavily invested in this Republic, as a Citizen therein, and an American with the Constitutional duty to protect/defend the Constitution - as is every American's duty. Part of that involves taking a position that is always "left" of those attacking the Constitution/our ideals/our unalienable rights. So again, provided Trump's removal was under one of those two provisions you listed, I wouldn't personally have anything to say about it (other than my opinion, perhaps)..again provided it was lawful.


Viewing people who have a different political opinion as you as "attacking the Constitution" is an example of what I'm talking about with you being too invested in politics.


Otherwise, it would constitute a "coup" (ie: removal/attempted removal through means other than Constitutionally proscribed provisions) and garner an appropriate response.

Unfortunately that only applies to my own self of course, and I can't speak for anybody else. I just know out of how many people I've spoken to in the last year/two, very few are willing to accept Trump's removal prior to 2020/2024. Whether its right/wrong, black/white, win/lose/draw...it'd still spell a disastrous period of time for our economy, our people and our nation. Something nobody should want to see. Especially since those opposing Trump are 100:1 doing so for invented/the wrong reasons.

The law is the law. Who cares if they accept it or not if it is done properly?


Ah, my mistake!
I agree, it isn't easy but would be perfectly Constitutional.

Although it could be easy to see how such a system could be abused (ie: Democrats attempt to impeach both Trump/Pence arbitrarily to install themselves in power). Again, the SCOTUS would probably not permit them to carry out such a blatantly arbitrary political act....and this too would be "legal" under existing statutes, but I can hardly imagine that ending well either.

I don't disagree with what you're saying, in general. The premise of your argument is factually true (namely: that it is Constitutional/legal to remove via impeachment/conviction or 25A). I am mostly pointing out that the reactions of individuals is rather unpredictable, and that due to the circus we've seen over the last 2 years very few people have much trust left for the government (but it has been eroding for years...and in steady decline since the 20th century)

That doesn't mean there will be a revolt if Trump is removed. I mean I guess some actors will act out, but they will quickly be arrested and we'll move on with our lives.


Call it what you want. Preparations are why some people struggle/suffer/perish in a disaster/emergency/event and why others survive/thrive/live.
I understand the urge to lash out against preparing for emergencies though... it stops the "powerless victim" mentality cold and ensures self-reliance without having to trust any government for anything important/life sustaining (or anything at all, ideally)

I'm lashing out at unrealistic things to prepare for. Like saying a Civil War will break out if Trump is removed from office. Yeah. No. Not happening. Trump supporters don't have NEAR the level of organization that would be needed to pull such a thing off. Sure, as I said in the previous paragraph, there is a possibility there will be loners doing something, but loners can only affect things locally.
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posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 03:06 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

I'm lashing out at unrealistic things to prepare for. Like saying a Civil War will break out if Trump is removed from office. Yeah. No. Not happening. Trump supporters don't have NEAR the level of organization that would be needed to pull such a thing off.




I heard the same thing leading up to his election.



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 03:17 PM
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originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: RadioRobert
a reply to: DJW001



I'm going to have to turn over your information to Mueller's team if you don't stop trying to influence earthly politics.


... says the guy with a Canadian hockey player as his icon....


Damn, sick burn! Did you think that up all by yourself?



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 03:24 PM
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originally posted by: pheonix358
a reply to: notsure1

If they ever get close ... the people will eliminate the threat themselves.

The 2nd was put to sleep for a long time.

President Trump is waking it up.

If they somehow succeed, they will die shortly afterwards.

The blowback would be terminally hazardous.

P


wow!!, threatening federal employees with being shot on social media.....



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 03:30 PM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

Your opinion not reality get your facts together and come back or don't






posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 04:59 PM
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a reply to: notsure1

Jesus, do you ever freaking stop, you obnoxious and uninformed clown? It's so tiresome. Ypur posts serve no purpose whatsoever. Unless you count making yourself look like an idiot, and whipping your fellow inbred MAGA cronies into a frenzy. The overwhelmingly vast majority of the world recognizes that Trump is an epic disaster, a joke, and a stain on our country. But sure, its them and not the obnoxious and delusional MAGA minority that are dumb.
I show people your posts, and they laugh at you. You are a joke.



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 05:02 PM
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a reply to: seagull

That's funny, I dont recall reading that the investigations into Trump have ended. But sure, keep pretending like people have already tried everything and failed. You have t cared about facts or reality at any other point, so why start now ?



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 05:07 PM
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a reply to: Maroboduus

You are on a roll, do me next please.



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 05:33 PM
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originally posted by: Maroboduus
a reply to: notsure1

Jesus, do you ever freaking stop, you obnoxious and uninformed clown? It's so tiresome. Ypur posts serve no purpose whatsoever. Unless you count making yourself look like an idiot, and whipping your fellow inbred MAGA cronies into a frenzy. The overwhelmingly vast majority of the world recognizes that Trump is an epic disaster, a joke, and a stain on our country. But sure, its them and not the obnoxious and delusional MAGA minority that are dumb.
I show people your posts, and they laugh at you. You are a joke.


Lol you show your friends my posts on ATS. What a lame ass life you must live.

Next time you see them show them this post..

www.flickr.com...
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posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 05:43 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Most groups that take themselves seriously have some ideas but that will all change according to the situation and specifics.

as for WHO they would go after, oh there are tons of names and whos who spidergraphs.
I have entire lists of people.
I even have you on my ATS list, along with anyone else who shows strong political allegiances one side or the other.
its called Human Intel for a reason.
most of its gathered to Profile or Research connections between members and gathering other empirical data.

Civies in Cities are not going to be too big a problem so long as you sabotage more than one Power Substation at a time.
hell if you can cripple a few high voltage lines and a hub you can just move on through while the population in the region is running around in the dark.
knock out any bridges or major roads exiting the city and you got total jammage and chaos for traffic.


Its not a matter of being unable to come up with a plan and share it just to impress a obvious psuedo intellectual with some mentally childish bickering habits...
its a matter of being unwilling to do so.
they didnt fail your question. they just didnt trust you if they did have any knowledge. and for very good reasons.
thats how you screw a good idea up is by showing your cards.

you were pretty vague in what you were brought to "Speak about" at these militias.
I bet dollars to donuts you have never been to a militia gathering in your life.
you avoided naming any specific subjects because you did not want to be caught in a lie by any real experts that might be reading.

but moving on! (as we now established your generalizations as a showcase of your lack of actual experience in this matter.)

see if you did know anything about how planning goes in these organizations it is much the same as a Government/Military Hierarchy.
meaning any and all Material to any Preliminary or Preparatory plan of attack is distributed and shared on a STRICT need to know basis.
If the so called "Militia" grunts you spoke to didnt answer the reason was either they did not rank high enough on the ladder to have been included in the original discussion when it happened.
Or YOU didnt need to KNOW.

a "Speaker" at an event would not qualify in the Need to Know...

Now I dont know what any given militias leadership has planned.
But I could tell you exactly what they could do depending on their goal and target.
Who the Military would side with, or whether it would Fractionalize due to infighting over causes would be probably the biggest deciding factor, if that helps you get started.

I am surprised you challenge others for their "Lack of an Answer" when you have not promised to have any answer yourself.
in fact you seem to think amongst the "Supporters" or "Worshippers" that they wouldnt think of much...

which Demonstrates you have hardly any or no Experience or Study of Military or Intelligence for the Purposes of Warfare.
Or any prior knowledge of Espionage methods not Unlike those used by MI6 or the CIA, Included also are groups like Al Qaeda and Mossad.

you would be suprised what a few determined A$$h0l3s can do. or what they can and have made using only whats available in a hardware store and the Internet.

But as much I would love to share with you about specific Power Grids, Key Figures, Who would need to be Coerced and who should be Killed, how the Media is not a first priority target(unless you want to do your best Rendition of V for Vendetta on TV)
and the reason they are hardly a target is once you Acquire certain Locations and People you can consider the game over.

or Damage everything in a catastrophic way by eliminating Key people and taking out the East and Western Power Hubs (texas is on its own grid but thats ok, they wont go to any place where the beer isn't served cold)

I cannot discuss such a thing on a public blog for a different reason. one that I am sure the militants should know as well.

Because we dont want to have Homeland or the FBI knocking on our door. its worse than saying "BOMB" in an Airport check in line.


www.law.cornell.edu... 18 U.S. Code § 2385 - Advocating overthrow of Government Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof— Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction. If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction. --------------------- 2. The Patriot Act Section 806 Section 806 amended the civil asset forfeiture statute to authorize the government to seize and forfeit: all assets, foreign or domestic (i) of any individual, entity, or organization engaged in planning or perpetrating any act of domestic or international terrorism against the United States, or their property, and all assets, foreign or domestic, affording any person a source of influence over any such entity or organization or (ii) acquired or maintained by any person with the intent and for the purpose of supporting, planning, conducting, or concealing an act of domestic or international terrorism against the United States, citizens or residents of the United States or their property or (iii) derived from, involved in, or used or intended to be used to commit any act of domestic or international terrorism against the United States, citizens or residents of the United States, or their property. In June 2010, the United States Supreme Court upheld the law in an as-applied challenge in the case Holder v. Humanitarian Law Project, but also left open the door for other as-applied challenges.[1] The plaintiffs in the case had sought to help the Kurdistan Workers' Party in Turkey and the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam learn means of peacefully resolving conflicts.[2][3]



posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 08:06 PM
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a reply to: Maroboduus

I couldn't possibly care much less than I do, right this second.

If Trump did wrong, remove him. I won't cry over it, as I don't particularly like him, didn't, and won't, vote for him.

But please stop pretending this isn't motivated by partisan politics, as it most assuredly is.



posted on Sep, 11 2018 @ 05:50 AM
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a reply to: AutisticEvo

Donald Trump ran on overthrowing the government. MAGA!



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