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What exactly makes the rich the "producers" that deserve so much?

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posted on Sep, 8 2018 @ 03:57 AM
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originally posted by: MteWamp

originally posted by: markovian

originally posted by: NthOther
It's their f# business, not yours.

Go start your own business and see how lazy you can get away with being.

Or do you "deserve" to succeed just by simply existing?

No one owes you dick. Get over it.


i agree ... except alot of people who are really rich didnt really risk anything there parents and grandparents did the .001 real top end who controle most the worlds money are not eutrapuners there parasites

people who got rich speculating on food and helped make it cost more deserve what

the ones who bought up old drug patens and up the price to the point people must ration the meds they need and offten die as a result they deserve what they get

the list goes on and on of rich people who risked nothing gained everything and could care less who it may kill to do so

hats off to the ones who really make socity turn the ones who build new empires and make new products


Perhaps your problem is a bit closer to home.

Is this how you speak, or type, or write, when you fill out a job application?

If so, maybe the problem is NOT the person who is doing the hiring. Would YOU hire someone with such a limited grasp on the simple concept of communication?

I have a 7 year old granddaughter who could probably be of great help to you.

But, perhaps you should just continue to bitch and moan...


... who says im poor ? or in need of a job you ...

more impotantly its good know you support things like

www.businessinsider.com...

www.cbsnews.com...

keep gettin your jollys off to that you sick #




posted on Sep, 8 2018 @ 06:15 AM
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originally posted by: opethPA

originally posted by: madmac5150
Material wealth is NOT happiness.

I'd rather be poor and happy, than rich and miserable.


You are leaving out two possibilities :

Rich and happy
Poor and miserable.

All things being equal I will take rich and happy over the other 3 any day.



There in lies the problem, most people would like to be rich and happy, but if everyone was rich inflation would de-value that wealth and we’d all be poor again.
Being rich relies on scarcity, or the perception of such.

What society needs is equity not equality.



posted on Sep, 8 2018 @ 07:12 AM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

Realistically speaking, they simply AREN'T worth what their bank balance would indicate, or what their pay packet would suggest. There comes a point where a person, no matter how innovative or influential, simply stops being the primary source of profit making, and starts instead to be a mere lodestone around the neck of the company they set up, or run. There are only very few exceptions to this general rule, and you could argue that Elon Musk is such a man, not only because of his visionary approach to expanding and indeed creating new markets and technologies, but also because he puts it all on the line CONSTANTLY, rather than just sitting pretty after hitting it big just the once.

However, the general case is, that if a person has ceased being a producer, if a person has already delivered a company from inception to dominion in a marketplace, that at the very point the business has made the necessary impact to turn it into a self sustaining powerhouse, the individual who pushed it forward, ceases to be necessary to its running, or indeed the primary cause of its continuing to make money. You can argue, for example, that a man starting a packaging and delivery business from a humble warehouse in a run down district, whose ten employees rely exclusively on his ability to cleverly manage scant resources in order that their work and pay be guaranteed, IS the primary driver of profit making in such a business. However, once that business is of a scale where no amount of micromanagement from the executive will actually improve either performance or profitability, you cannot say that anyone other than the people at floor level are actually responsible for the successful profit making of that company.

Why is that? Simple. After that point, the only thing that can effect that packaging and delivery companies profitability, is the ability of people on the warehouse floor to get the work they are given, done to a high standard, on time, with minimal shrinkage through breakage, theft or loss otherwise. The fellow sitting in a big office on the 80th floor of a high tower, has NOTHING to do with that. At this stage, he relies for HIS enormous, unrealistic pay packet, on the ability of those below him to do inhumanly well, often on unreasonably small amounts of pay, with no support if they become sick or get injured at work, with too little time for themselves or their families, and too much responsibility given the parlous state of their pay packets.

Amazon, for example, is a company which if there were any justice in this world, would be banned from operating anywhere on the face of Earth, purely because its staff are treated like crap, its pricing on goods means that people actually making the goods cannot be earning enough doing it, meaning that it not only continues on its own path of underpaying and over working its own employees, but inspires companies producing goods for Amazon to sell, to also pay sweatshop rates to their employees as well. Approaching this from the perspective that everyone who works ought to be paid enough to live on, especially if they are involved in producing a good or service, no one would look at the ridiculously top heavy distribution of pay within Amazon or companies which produce goods for sale by Amazon, and think "Now, THERE is a healthy, thriving business, operating just as it should!".

Businesses which operate this way are toxic, and reward those at the top for mistreating those who make the continued success of their businesses possible. These businesses rely on an easily exploited workforce, no power as individuals or as a group, as a result of the deliberate destruction of collective bargaining capacity during the late seventies and the eighties.

Amazon is just one example, but practically ALL the big players operate this way, with bosses and executives taking home pay packets which do NOT reflect their CURRENT usefulness to the business, and people who actually contribute to the smooth, continued profitability of the company being left with nothing but scraps, unable to move their lives forward one bit on the pay they are getting, for what is physically demanding work, in pretty harsh conditions.



posted on Sep, 8 2018 @ 07:23 AM
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Agree with above. The amazing thing is however money is just a human concept that humans are globally brainwashed to taking as real as real can be.
The evil ones control the good with money.
I am a pauper so I am good. I live under a bush near a bus stop.
My hat is out.



posted on Sep, 8 2018 @ 08:03 AM
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a reply to: dfnj2015
The only problem with any country (the rich rule in EVERY society) is the people who spend more time complaining how unfair the world is because wealthy people rule it. Well these people were did not just magically become the rulers. They took action to become successful, and their loyal customers or followers reward them with continued revenue and support.

I have said it a million times, how many people realistically would follow a homeless man's business plans or elect them for a government office?? Maybe a couple of us would, but overwhelmingly human populations follow successful folks who have something to show for the time they been alive.

Ideas only go so far, eventually somebody has to take action, and people never agree 100% so there is Always dissatisfaction.

It's best to either get past the envy, or take action to catch up. Because pretty much every complainer and hater will have a change of heart when they get a taste of the wealthy living.



posted on Sep, 8 2018 @ 08:04 AM
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originally posted by: markovian

originally posted by: NthOther
It's their f# business, not yours.

Go start your own business and see how lazy you can get away with being.

Or do you "deserve" to succeed just by simply existing?

No one owes you dick. Get over it.


i agree ... except alot of people who are really rich didnt really risk anything there parents and grandparents did the .001 real top end who controle most the worlds money are not eutrapuners there parasites

people who got rich speculating on food and helped make it cost more deserve what

the ones who bought up old drug patens and up the price to the point people must ration the meds they need and offten die as a result they deserve what they get

the list goes on and on of rich people who risked nothing gained everything and could care less who it may kill to do so

hats off to the ones who really make socity turn the ones who build new empires and make new products

What is your answer to this perceived problem?
Outlaw inheritance?
If a person can’t give their children money, why should they be allowed to give anyone money?
Outlaw charity?



posted on Sep, 8 2018 @ 08:05 AM
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originally posted by: NthOther
It's their f# business, not yours.

Go start your own business and see how lazy you can get away with being.

Or do you "deserve" to succeed just by simply existing?

No one owes you dick. Get over it.


Not having dick doesn't equate to die in a gutter though.

Except to those with more dicks than they can fit.

edit on 8-9-2018 by SummerRain because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 8 2018 @ 08:09 AM
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a reply to: markovian

Others have taken action to compete against that which disgusts you. Can you imagine if the only action the competition took was to go on the internet and complain how unfair things are?? Then we would not have ten dollar alternatives to a decades old scrip that costs 608$.



posted on Sep, 8 2018 @ 08:19 AM
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a reply to: NarcolepticBuddha

The one true freedom in this world is internal peace. External forces will always be there trying to intervene, how you act and react to them is your choice, and that is what defines your person in reality. It's hard to understand in a world built on projection and perception.
edit on 9/8/2018 by TheLead because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 8 2018 @ 08:23 AM
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The mirror possesses all men is a demon. It invaded the psyche of all humans and from which the self relfection of ego was created. It is the mirror than enslaves humans because the mirror is what projects the illusion of reality. Money is connected to the mirror and is simply designed to prevent the mirror becoming brittle.
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posted on Sep, 8 2018 @ 08:28 AM
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Humans cannot escape this matrix. Its a sad truth tale.



posted on Sep, 8 2018 @ 08:28 AM
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Humans cannot escape this matrix. Its a sad truth tale.



posted on Sep, 8 2018 @ 08:45 AM
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a reply to: madmac5150

I'd rather be poor and happy, than rich and miserable.

I wish the rich and miserable would keep it to themselves, TBH. I have no problem financially (minus never ending medical bills), but I'm tired of dealing with the rich. A more miserable, self serving bunch of pr!cks I have never seen. What gets me are the dirt poor who have to pretend they are rich, and also just as miserable.



posted on Sep, 8 2018 @ 09:12 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

You always say things in a much more eloquent way than myself, but this is my sentiment. The income of the rich do not represent their usefulness. There's a lot of people that come back with "risk" and statements of hard workers who put everything on the line... That describes small business, which I am totally for, and describes people making possibly 6-7 figures. Not trust-fund dynasties where billions are just inherited. No one can describe why 1% of the population should have half of the wealth, when their usefulness is a fraction, of a fraction, of a fraction...
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posted on Sep, 8 2018 @ 09:14 AM
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There is no sane reason that will hold up for arguing 1% of population should hold 95% of worlds wealth.
What does that tell you about the nature of the human being.



posted on Sep, 8 2018 @ 09:36 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit




However, once that business is of a scale where no amount of micromanagement from the executive will actually improve either performance or profitability, you cannot say that anyone other than the people at floor level are actually responsible for the successful profit making of that company. Why is that? Simple. After that point, the only thing that can effect that packaging and delivery companies profitability, is the ability of people on the warehouse floor to get the work they are given, done to a high standard, on time, with minimal shrinkage through breakage, theft or loss otherwise


Theres solid reasons why companies get bought out or flogged off once they reach a level when they don't perform in line with the owners expectations (ROI).

You ignore that competition from new kids on the block with different efficiencies will have a bigger impact than the workers on the floor end result. It is the exec who will determine what new plant upgrade will ensure the long term viability of the business and/or an injection of extra capital for innovation to remain competitive. Those workers jobs are predicate on the decision making of the execs that you have contempt for.

It is the execs who go about opening up new markets & customers to keep the factory viable, not the floorworkers.




Amazon, for example, is a company


.....Was a one man show that started in a garage. Hooray for free enterprise. You too can succeed if you set your mind to it.

It produced a product that there was a demand for. The reason you are using a computer is because of economies of scale and innovation. If it wasn't for Gates and Jobs you'd be winging about the queues and hourly cost that IBM were charging for you using one of their main frames to have a chat on the net.



posted on Sep, 8 2018 @ 09:43 AM
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a reply to: wylekat

Being rich, is apart from financial security, a state of mind. You can have all the money in the world and live in fear.

I'd rather be rich debt free and happy.

The level of debt that one is comfortable with, especially debt that is used in producing income and increasing your net worth is one of the key factors in maintaining a healthy outlook on money.




I'd rather be poor and happy, than rich and miserable.


Thats the Matrix keeping you in fear. There are many rich people who walk the streets that are humble and you wouldn't know them from looking at them.



posted on Sep, 8 2018 @ 09:45 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: deadlyhope

Realistically speaking, they simply AREN'T worth what their bank balance would indicate, or what their pay packet would suggest. There comes a point where a person, no matter how innovative or influential, simply stops being the primary source of profit making, and starts instead to be a mere lodestone around the neck of the company they set up, or run. There are only very few exceptions to this general rule, and you could argue that Elon Musk is such a man, not only because of his visionary approach to expanding and indeed creating new markets and technologies, but also because he puts it all on the line CONSTANTLY, rather than just sitting pretty after hitting it big just the once.

However, the general case is, that if a person has ceased being a producer, if a person has already delivered a company from inception to dominion in a marketplace, that at the very point the business has made the necessary impact to turn it into a self sustaining powerhouse, the individual who pushed it forward, ceases to be necessary to its running, or indeed the primary cause of its continuing to make money. You can argue, for example, that a man starting a packaging and delivery business from a humble warehouse in a run down district, whose ten employees rely exclusively on his ability to cleverly manage scant resources in order that their work and pay be guaranteed, IS the primary driver of profit making in such a business. However, once that business is of a scale where no amount of micromanagement from the executive will actually improve either performance or profitability, you cannot say that anyone other than the people at floor level are actually responsible for the successful profit making of that company.

Why is that? Simple. After that point, the only thing that can effect that packaging and delivery companies profitability, is the ability of people on the warehouse floor to get the work they are given, done to a high standard, on time, with minimal shrinkage through breakage, theft or loss otherwise. The fellow sitting in a big office on the 80th floor of a high tower, has NOTHING to do with that. At this stage, he relies for HIS enormous, unrealistic pay packet, on the ability of those below him to do inhumanly well, often on unreasonably small amounts of pay, with no support if they become sick or get injured at work, with too little time for themselves or their families, and too much responsibility given the parlous state of their pay packets.

Amazon, for example, is a company which if there were any justice in this world, would be banned from operating anywhere on the face of Earth, purely because its staff are treated like crap, its pricing on goods means that people actually making the goods cannot be earning enough doing it, meaning that it not only continues on its own path of underpaying and over working its own employees, but inspires companies producing goods for Amazon to sell, to also pay sweatshop rates to their employees as well. Approaching this from the perspective that everyone who works ought to be paid enough to live on, especially if they are involved in producing a good or service, no one would look at the ridiculously top heavy distribution of pay within Amazon or companies which produce goods for sale by Amazon, and think "Now, THERE is a healthy, thriving business, operating just as it should!".

Businesses which operate this way are toxic, and reward those at the top for mistreating those who make the continued success of their businesses possible. These businesses rely on an easily exploited workforce, no power as individuals or as a group, as a result of the deliberate destruction of collective bargaining capacity during the late seventies and the eighties.

Amazon is just one example, but practically ALL the big players operate this way, with bosses and executives taking home pay packets which do NOT reflect their CURRENT usefulness to the business, and people who actually contribute to the smooth, continued profitability of the company being left with nothing but scraps, unable to move their lives forward one bit on the pay they are getting, for what is physically demanding work, in pretty harsh conditions.


If you own a company, the market determines what you are worth. Bezos and his ilk are worth billions because other independent investors have decided the value of the stock prices and their equity stake is what makes them billionaires.

Bezos isn't in the warehouse slinging boxes, but that isn't his job. He created the idea, raised the capital to start the company, and set the strategy and direction. It paid off in that the company has grown from a small start up to the behemoth that it is today.

Physically demanding work does not mean you should get paid a lot. There are far more people who can do physically demanding work than those who can do work that requires intellect. Simple supply and demand.



posted on Sep, 8 2018 @ 09:46 AM
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a reply to: AthlonSavage

What does it tell you?...let me take a guess...whether you are one of the 1% or the other 99% you are still the same human with a certain level of "predator" within.



posted on Sep, 8 2018 @ 09:55 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit


There is a major flaw with your logic. You claim that the decisions of the guy at the top have no impact on the business itself after some theoretical waypoint of success is reached. Since you have no basis for this as you are not the CEO of a major corporation, I'm wondering how you came to this supposed objective opinion?


The poor always proclaim that they work hard, they deserve more, the world is against them, blah....blah....blah. If the poor were as good at business as they are with ad hominem attacks on the rich, perhaps they'd be further ahead.



Some recent examples of what others did with $1000 or far less:


1) John Nordstrom came to America with $5 and spoke no English. He worked in mines and logging camps to survive until
moving to Alaska to pan for gold. When he saved $13k, he opened a shoe store to great success.


2) Michael Dell started a computer business in 1984 out of his college dorm room. He invested $1k in his own company
quit college, and made it big as we all know.

4) Adolf Coors stowed away on a ship bound for the United States with no money in his pocket. He had worked for a
family owned brewing company. Upon arriving in the US, he did odd jobs until he saved $2k, which he invested in
himself and founded the Coors Brewing Company.

5) William Wrigley arrived in Chicago with $32 in his pocket. He sold soap on street corners and eventually began giving
gum away with his product. His gum was very popular and he invested his savings to produce Juicy Fruit and the
Wrigley Corporation.

The list goes on and on and on. Ross Perot, John Mackey of Whole Foods Markets, EBAY, Starbucks, Facebook....


Rather than attacking people that have actually worked harder than most to create a business, you should be asking yourself, "what have I risked to become successful?" The answer is NOTHING. The above people risked everything, including their lives in some cases, to realize the American Dream. Had they not done so, many of you complainers would have no job at all.
Simply put, most workers don't add any real value to a big corporation. Just because you can place an object in a box and tape it does not make you a vital asset. Because you sweep floors does not make you a martyr. Noone owes any of you anything at all. If you don't like reality, perhaps you should risk everything you own to persue your own company....but you won't because you're stupid and lazy.



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