NEWS: Pope likens abortion to Holocaust

Pope John Paul II has caused contraversy by making a comparison between abortion and the Holocaust in his new book, saying that both are the result of governments clashing with divine law. These comments are part of the Pope's thoughts on ideological conflicts of the 20th Century. In the book the Pope also goes on to talk about the attempt on his life in 1981, believing the gunman did not act alone.



Very strong words from the Pope and even more evidence I believe that shows he and the Vatican are completely out of touch with todays society, other than those that share these old valued views.

I doubt there will ever be an end to the abortion debate but this comparison is extreme to say the least, is this more evidence that the Pope and the Vatican are no longer really relevant to most peoples lives?

[edit on 23-2-2005 by John Nada]

He is absolutley correct. It is genocide, it is murder and it is a holocaust on a level which dwarfs the actons of the Nazi party.
I may not always, in fact very rarely agree with the catholic church, but the pope is dead on with this one.

[edit on 23-2-2005 by mwm1331]

Originally posted by mwm1331
it is a holocaust on a level which dwarfs the actons of the Nazi party.

Yes I'm sure the women get such joy out of it.

This from a group which caused the Inquisition.

Two lines.

I'm not catholic, but I'm with the Pope on this one too. The number of elective abortions in the US is genocidal evil.

Comparing anything to the holocaust is bound to generate controversy. In fact, the only time I ever read about it in the news anymore is when the Anti-Defamation League issues a condemnation of someone because they didn't acknowledge the Holocaust as the single most awful & evil event in the history of mankind.

Originally posted by John Nada

Originally posted by mwm1331
it is a holocaust on a level which dwarfs the actons of the Nazi party.

Yes I'm sure the women get such joy out of it.

John whther they derive joy or not is irelevant, look at the fgures, more americans have been murdered in the last decade than all the victims of the holocaust combined.
The blood of innocents is on all of our hands, the mark of the murderer on all of our souls, only through the complete rejection of this heinous act can we be redeemed.

Originally posted by mwm1331
The blood of innocents is on all of our hands, the mark of the murderer on all of our souls, only through the complete rejection of this heinous act can we be redeemed.

Well I am an athiest and do not believe in God, so I don't feel I need to be "redeemed".
It may shock you to know that despite this I do have a strong sense of morality, but I do not feel it applies when it comes to abortion.

However, it's a debate I've had many times and really haven't got the energy for it anymore, wherever the judgement will fall so be it.

You will never see an end to abortion though, whether it has to be done legally or illegally.

John you dont have to be religous to know the murder of innocents is wrong. You can rationailse, justify, and excuse untill the universe implodes and its still wrong. You can clam they are not sentient, not aware, not fully devolped, but you can not from an scientifically objective viewpoint say that those fetus (what is the plural of fetus? feti?) are not either human or alive. This isn't about a choice, its about the most basic human rght, the first right promised to us in the constitution, the right to life. IMHO it is the height of hypocracy to say you support human rights or that you are moral when you support the wholsale slaughter of the most innocent being in existance.

I really can't support abortion. Really, how would you feel if you were aborted?

Some people need to take some responsibility. Like use protection or go on the pill.

I feel many more people are against abortion, but because it is part of the Socialist agenda they are on the bandwagon.

Originally posted by Bourgeoisie
how would you feel if you were aborted?

errr...

[edit on 24-2-2005 by John Nada]

Well, ya know, I think Bush's partial birth abortion ban would have stood, if they had done just one little tiny thing.....like acknowledge the fact that there just might be a few people out there in the country that might have needed it to live, like many doctors claim!!!
And, then, well, we began seeing women having charges pressed against them for refusing to have c-sections that doctors had insisted.....one left the hospital and went to another....and well, before she delivered her nice healthy baby, the first hospital went to a court, and got an order that she be forced to have the c-section. There are alot of unnecessary c-sections being done in this country, because well let's face it, doctors are human, and well, us humans aren't all perfect....and it pays more to do a c-section!

But, I think the intention was made clear.....and some want the rights of the baby to be above the rights of the mother. And, well, if the mother dies in childbirth, or is totally incompacitated throughout most of it, oh well, tough luck, or if there is any doubt whatsoever that the pregnacy is dangerous to her, well oh well, if she can't prove it to us, too bad!!

If there is any possiblity whatsoever that there is an undue risk of the women suffering severe consequences by delivering the baby, well, then it should be her to decide weather or not she is willing to give up her life and health for her child....no one else!
Bush chose not to offer her that choice....
Maybe Bush should try to present another law, one that at least puts some concern on the mother's health also.

Well the pope is senile and he will be dead soon so who really cares what he thinks anyway?

I would have to disagree with the pope. Bringing a child into a broken family is the worse thing you could possibly do.