SUN releases, STUNNING number of children ripped from Parent's by secret court's in UK

Seems very likely to be connected to the ASTRONOMICAL amounts of children who "Disappear" into the System...
I think we know where a lot of these kid's are really ending up!!!
Just tragic, tragic times these day's. It's finally being put under the Microscope, Jesus says in Luke 8:17. "For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open."
Not too sound like "that guy," but seeing the effort these individual's put into their belief and purpose for Satan. There must be a God... Because they're playing spiritual warfare, to the very UTTER core! Press on for the truth, my fellow ATS members. Our efforts, has not been for naught!

www.thesun.co.uk...

Sadly this does not surprise me in the least. When I practiced law I acted as a Guardian ad Litum for a time and then switched to defence and the "reasons" social workers gave for some care orders were ludicrous to say the least. They have quotas to meet and pick on the easy targets to fill them. The serious abuse, the children that really really need their "protection" slip through the net or take years to get to court. Far easier to take someone's child for "wearing short trousers in September" or "Drawing a penis on the door of a school toilet which showed she'd been abused".

Anybody who gets involved with Social Services do so at their own peril, whether it be for children or an elderly relative, as you will not get the "help" you think you will

originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: MerkabaTribeEntity

Hillary?

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a reply to: MerkabaTribeEntity
His or her love is deep to the natures greatest accident.

a reply to: Blackhawk0044

From that article...

Devastated families are being torn apart with thousands of children under the age of one alone taken from parents each year - many of those removed after birth from hospital wards.

The Sun can reveal children taken through forced court care orders rocketed by a shocking 34 per cent from 7,550 to 10,130 last year.

Under the age of one?

Either the UK has the worst parents ever, or something is very, very wrong here.

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

You said it.

I have personally had a criminal defense attorney tell me that Social Services is the modern day equivalent of the gestapo. He said they can literally get away with anything in most cases, as they have little oversight, make their own rules, act with impunity, etc. He informed me having ones family scrutinized by social services is a much harrier situation than being scrutinized by law enforcement for most crimes.

The only get out is in the US usually their authority is limited to that one state so if you need to, take your kids and move.

originally posted by: Lightdhype
a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

You said it.

I have personally had a criminal defense attorney tell me that Social Services is the modern day equivalent of the gestapo. He said they can literally get away with anything in most cases, as they have little oversight, make their own rules, act with impunity, etc. He informed me having ones family scrutinized by social services is a much harrier situation than being scrutinized by law enforcement for most crimes.

The only get out is in the US usually their authority is limited to that one state so if you need to, take your kids and move.

And people really wonder why we don't want full blown socialism in the US?

It has been like this in Great Briton for hundreds of years.

Children during and post WW2, sent to Australia and Canada without parent's consent.

The system has always been toxic and deadly to the children.

Now though, slowly, more information is getting out.

It is not a new problem.

Across the Western world, you have your most secret courts ... for children.

Court appointed lawyers ... for the kiddies.

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a reply to: ausername

Some parents abuse their children ,so the system takes them, these same then continue to have children and the cycle continues, I know one woman that has has 6 kids taken from her and she is now having a 7th which will be removed from her before she leaves the hospital.

The system is certainly failing children but its not as black and white as you may think.

a reply to: Blackhawk0044

Elites need pizza. 🍕

They've gotta get it from somewhere...

originally posted by: Blackhawk0044
Seems very likely to be connected to the ASTRONOMICAL amounts of children who "Disappear" into the System...
I think we know where a lot of these kid's are really ending up!!!
Just tragic, tragic times these day's. It's finally being put under the Microscope, Jesus says in Luke 8:17. "For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open."
Not too sound like "that guy," but seeing the effort these individual's put into their belief and purpose for Satan. There must be a God... Because they're playing spiritual warfare, to the very UTTER core! Press on for the truth, my fellow ATS members. Our efforts, has not been for naught!

www.thesun.co.uk...

You're supposed to summarize the point of your post and include a quote or two from the link.

Not instead post bible verses.

Show these babies some respect.

originally posted by: ausername
a reply to: Blackhawk0044

From that article...

Devastated families are being torn apart with thousands of children under the age of one alone taken from parents each year - many of those removed after birth from hospital wards.

The Sun can reveal children taken through forced court care orders rocketed by a shocking 34 per cent from 7,550 to 10,130 last year.

Under the age of one?

Either the UK has the worst parents ever, or something is very, very wrong here.

I have quite a bit of involvement in care order proceedings. The mothers who have children removed at birth, in most cases;
(i) have an established history of very high risk behaviour,
(ii) have already had children removed due to that behaviour,
(iii) are told from the beginning of their pregnancy that this is a possibility and are offered help and support in breaking the cycle, and
(iv) decide to keep doing the same thing any way.

The number of cases where the mother breaks the cycle and keeps the child outweigh the number of cases where the child is taken, they're just not as newsworthy.

Also, they're not really "secret courts". Family court proceedings are confidential so they cannot be reported in the press or have information shared outside of the parties, so you can't watch the hearing from the public gallery, but the families attend hearings, have legal representation (often each parent will have their own lawyer), and have access to all the information used.

There is one peculiarity, though. A care order can't be brought before the baby is born, so there is usually an emergency interim order brought at birth (which is what allows the child to be taken) followed by a full hearing shortly after (which is where the parents make their arguments). The parents are usually aware that it will happen though they are not involved in the emergency application. The emergency application will sometimes be kept from them if it is considered that telling them might create a risk to the patient, baby, or staff.

Not a perfect system, but it's grown out of the need to deal with a difficult situation with no easy solution.

a reply to: EvillerBob

Orphans of course do not fare so well.

The court appoints the defense lawyer and everyone just rubber stamps whatever the department wants.

The big problem here is that as long as the child does not end up in court in the future, there is no follow up.

So ... Orphan ... court appoints Department ... child can vanish ... no one reports on the missing child because the courts are in fact secret.

This is how you get hold of children.

The absolute worst case is the Department has to admit to failing to report on a run away child who of course is never found.

The departmental workers concentrate on the next case. There is no follow up.

And that is how the Department wants it.

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I know a couple of Social Workers involved in child protection etc.
They are incredibly caring individuals who are committed to their jobs and whose primary concerns are always the child's welfare.

Over the years there have been several - far too many really - high profile cases where the Social Services have come under intense scrutiny and criticism, much of it fully deserved.

en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...

As a result strict guidelines have been introduced and Social Workers opinions on individual cases have nowhere near as much influence and importance.
And the criteria is heavily weighted so that if there is even the slightest indication that abuse is taking place then the child will be taken into care.

Obviously mistakes are made and there's something inherently wrong if this many children are being taken away from their parents.

I'm not trying to defend anyone or anything I'm simply trying to shed some light on Social Services procedures and offer some sort of balance.