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Liberals vs Leftists

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posted on Sep, 6 2018 @ 11:29 AM

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
a reply to: Outlier13

The video is discussing the difference between a classical liberal and a leftist, as he mentions the term liberal no longer holds the same meaning. This is the main reason I prefer to label myself a libertarian rather than a liberal or even classical liberal.

Interesting. When I was younger I had always identified as a republican yet as I grew wiser I realized I was truly a libertarian.

It's clear the leftists have taken over as the radical political group in the United States and its unfortunate the vast majority of what we see presented via the MSM is a radical leftist narrative.

posted on Sep, 6 2018 @ 11:51 AM
a reply to: Outlier13

You do realise don't you that to the rest of the world the USA barely has a left worth mentioning?

You have far right, right, centre right and centre - that's it.
All the rest is just splitting hairs and smoke in mirrors.


posted on Sep, 6 2018 @ 12:00 PM

originally posted by: Outlier13

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: WUNK22

Wouldn't they rather move to one the 10 happiest places on Earth that are also socialist nations? You know, healthcare, college, etc?

Venezuela isn't the only socialist nation on Earth but conservatives love to use it as an example of what socialism brings which is just stupid.

LOL...the old "socialism has never been tried!" argument. you go mate...

Failed Socialist States and Movements
New Zealand
Hong Kong
Japan (a very interesting case of a country whose economy was stagnant under nationalism, and then boomed from imposed- liberalization, and then was stupefied in a Keynesian experiment gone mad)
West Germany (where the "German economic miracle" was sparked by a single man abolishing wage and price controls against the wishes of the American, French, and British occupiers.)
Estonia (whose young Prime Minister reformed the post-USSR economy based on suggestions in Milton Friedman's Free to Choose)

And here are the officially socialist and formerly socialist states and former states.

I did not include whether or not current socialist states are either failing or growing at a significantly slower pace than less socialist neighbors but it's pretty easy to guess which ones are: all of them

Current Marxist-Leninist countries include:
China (soft-landing)
Cuba (in progress)
Laos (80% of population works in agriculture, one of the lowest annual incomes of any country in the world. 1/3 earn below $1.25 per day)
Vietnam (I'm sure the government here is very much aware I just googled this to get that wikipedia page) (soft-landing)

Former Marxist-Leninist Countries

Afghanistan (1978-1992)
Albania (1946-1992)
Angola (1975-1992)
Benin (1975-1990)
Bulgaria (1946-1990)
Cambodia (1975-1989)
Congo (1975-1992)
Czechoslovakia (1946-1990)
Ethiopia (1974-1991)
East Germany (1949-1990)
Hungary (1949-1989)
North Korea 1948-1992 (in 1992, all references to Marxist-Leninism were scrubbed. Remains generic "socialist" state)
Mongolia (1924-1990)
Mozambique (1975-1990) (my mom who is Portuguese lived here during this time)
Poland (1945-1989)
Romania (1947-1989)
Somalia (1969-1991)
Soviet Union (1922-1991)
North Vietnam (1945-1975) (then they won the war)
South Yemen (1967-1990)
Ukraine (1919-1991)
Yugoslavia (1945-1992)

Anybody else notice a trend with the Marxist-Leninist countries?

Non Marxist-Leninist Socialist Countries

Bangladesh (1971-)
Guinea-Bissau (1973-)
Guyana (1980-)
India (1976-)
North Korea (1992-)
Nepal (2015-)
Portugal (1976-)
Sao Tome (1975-)
Sri Lanka (1985-)
Tanzania (1964-)

Former Non Marxist-Leninist Socialist Countries

Algeria (1963-1989)
Burma (1962-1988)
Cape Verde (1975-1992)
Egypt (1958-2007)
Iraq (1968-2003)
Libya (1969-2011)
Madagascar (1975-1992)
Sudan (1973-1985)
Syria (1963-2012)


How is the UK or New Zealand "failed" socialist states.

Hell UK is actually ranked equal to the USA on most things, including ease of doing business.

New Zealand is a really ranked as the freest nation on the planet.

Hong Kong and Singapore have the most economic growth and ranked as the most free markets!

You sir seem to know nothing.

posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 12:18 PM

originally posted by: Outlier13
...Failed Socialist States and Movements
New Zealand
Hong Kong
Japan ...(

You are clearly using an interpretation of "socialism" that only you understand.

To topic... In a nutshell, even if you strip away the American slant, it is quite true that the Liberals are not the Left, and the Left are not the Liberals. In most countries Liberals would be centrists, with the right and the left working out from the centre.

posted on Sep, 10 2018 @ 12:32 PM
Still beating your wife?

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