Liberals vs Leftists

To all liberals and leftists of ATS please watch this brief 6 minute video and offer an opinion if you agree (in general) between the distinctions made between a liberal and a leftist. I'm genuinely curious what the responses will be.

a reply to: Outlier13


Wonder how long youtube will allow this video to stay up? Great video btw!

They both suck, communist at heart. They should all just move to Venezuela and fix things under a president Sean Penn!

a reply to: WUNK22

Wouldn't they rather move to one the 10 happiest places on Earth that are also socialist nations? You know, healthcare, college, etc?

Venezuela isn't the only socialist nation on Earth but conservatives love to use it as an example of what socialism brings which is just stupid.

a reply to: Swills

Are we supposed to ignore when socialism fails?

It'll be EXTREMELY interesting to see how many of the Leftists, especially the ones who consider themselves to be "cough* um, *cough*, intellectuals, *cough*, chime in here and set the record straight.

S+F, my friend.

It's OK. We'll wait here...

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: WUNK22

Wouldn't they rather move to one the 10 happiest places on Earth that are also socialist nations? You know, healthcare, college, etc?

Venezuela isn't the only socialist nation on Earth but conservatives love to use it as an example of what socialism brings which is just stupid.

See? There it is.

originally posted by: NthOther
a reply to: Swills

Are we supposed to ignore when socialism fails?

I think we should pay more attention to the hundreds of times when socialism has been such a raving success...

They made a movie about liberals and leftists...

Jim Carrey and Jeff Daniels gave great performances...

-Chris

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: WUNK22

Wouldn't they rather move to one the 10 happiest places on Earth that are also socialist nations? You know, healthcare, college, etc?

Venezuela isn't the only socialist nation on Earth but conservatives love to use it as an example of what socialism brings which is just stupid.

LOL...the old "socialism has never been tried!" argument. Well...here you go mate...

Failed Socialist States and Movements
Venezuela
New Zealand
Canada
UK
Singapore
Hong Kong
Chile
Japan (a very interesting case of a country whose economy was stagnant under nationalism, and then boomed from imposed- liberalization, and then was stupefied in a Keynesian experiment gone mad)
West Germany (where the "German economic miracle" was sparked by a single man abolishing wage and price controls against the wishes of the American, French, and British occupiers.)
Estonia (whose young Prime Minister reformed the post-USSR economy based on suggestions in Milton Friedman's Free to Choose)

And here are the officially socialist and formerly socialist states and former states.

I did not include whether or not current socialist states are either failing or growing at a significantly slower pace than less socialist neighbors but it's pretty easy to guess which ones are: all of them

Current Marxist-Leninist countries include:
China (soft-landing)
Cuba (in progress)
Laos (80% of population works in agriculture, one of the lowest annual incomes of any country in the world. 1/3 earn below $1.25 per day)
Vietnam (I'm sure the government here is very much aware I just googled this to get that wikipedia page) (soft-landing)

Former Marxist-Leninist Countries

Afghanistan (1978-1992)
Albania (1946-1992)
Angola (1975-1992)
Benin (1975-1990)
Bulgaria (1946-1990)
Cambodia (1975-1989)
Congo (1975-1992)
Czechoslovakia (1946-1990)
Ethiopia (1974-1991)
East Germany (1949-1990)
Hungary (1949-1989)
North Korea 1948-1992 (in 1992, all references to Marxist-Leninism were scrubbed. Remains generic "socialist" state)
Mongolia (1924-1990)
Mozambique (1975-1990) (my mom who is Portuguese lived here during this time)
Poland (1945-1989)
Romania (1947-1989)
Somalia (1969-1991)
Soviet Union (1922-1991)
North Vietnam (1945-1975) (then they won the war)
South Yemen (1967-1990)
Ukraine (1919-1991)
Yugoslavia (1945-1992)

Anybody else notice a trend with the Marxist-Leninist countries?

Non Marxist-Leninist Socialist Countries

Bangladesh (1971-)
Guinea-Bissau (1973-)
Guyana (1980-)
India (1976-)
North Korea (1992-)
Nepal (2015-)
Portugal (1976-)
Sao Tome (1975-)
Sri Lanka (1985-)
Tanzania (1964-)

Former Non Marxist-Leninist Socialist Countries

Algeria (1963-1989)
Burma (1962-1988)
Cape Verde (1975-1992)
Egypt (1958-2007)
Iraq (1968-2003)
Libya (1969-2011)
Madagascar (1975-1992)
Sudan (1973-1985)
Syria (1963-2012)

Sources:
en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: Outlier13

None of that was "real socialism".

What's "real socialism", you ask?

Everything but what you listed.

originally posted by: NthOther
a reply to: Outlier13

None of that was "real socialism".

What's "real socialism", you ask?

Everything but what you listed.

Examples?

originally posted by: NthOther
a reply to: Outlier13

None of that was "real socialism".

What's "real socialism", you ask?

Everything but what you listed.

Wow. Epic argument.

originally posted by: Outlier13

originally posted by: NthOther
a reply to: Outlier13

None of that was "real socialism".

What's "real socialism", you ask?

Everything but what you listed.

Wow. Epic argument.

Yeah. He may as well have answered "Shrimp", or just said "Nitrogen Tetroxide"

Sarcasm is an oft-used literary device employed to illustrate absurdity.

Apparently you guys have never heard of it.

originally posted by: MteWamp

originally posted by: Outlier13

originally posted by: NthOther
a reply to: Outlier13

None of that was "real socialism".

What's "real socialism", you ask?

Everything but what you listed.

Wow. Epic argument.

Yeah. He may as well have answered "Shrimp", or just said "Nitrogen Tetroxide"

I seriously just laughed out loud and hard at that one!

originally posted by: NthOther
Sarcasm is an oft-used literary device employed to illustrate absurdity.

Apparently you guys have never heard of it.

I apologize. Seriously.

As much as I bow to the Lords of Sarcasm, and make no mistake, I bow. Sometimes with a great wailing and gnashing of teeth. I do, however, on occasion, fail to see it in other member's posts.

I'm at your mercy, Sir.

originally posted by: NthOther
Sarcasm is an oft-used literary device employed to illustrate absurdity.

Apparently you guys have never heard of it.

nitrogen tetroxide

originally posted by: Outlier13

originally posted by: MteWamp

originally posted by: Outlier13

originally posted by: NthOther
a reply to: Outlier13

None of that was "real socialism".

What's "real socialism", you ask?

Everything but what you listed.

Wow. Epic argument.

Yeah. He may as well have answered "Shrimp", or just said "Nitrogen Tetroxide"

I seriously just laughed out loud and hard at that one!

I had a really boring childhood, so we just had to make our own fun.

a reply to: Outlier13

Makes more sense than anything else they'll tell you.

Well, and bacon, of course.