Conspiracy against Trump from within the White House - Story from an active Resistance insider?

originally posted by: soberbacchus

Whoever wrote this knew, better than most, it would only enrage the President and exasperate his paranoia.

With one exception, if the President knew about it too. He's a good actor, if nothing else, and I feel confident that he could ACT enraged on demand.

The proposition that hearing the President's cabinet entertained the 25th amendment would serve as some kind of "comfort" to the public is just stupid.

Not only is it stupid, but ineffectual as anyone processing that information (especially in context with the OP-ED's assertion that it is a complex matter, it isn't) would have laughed it away.

I don't doubt the veracity of the Op-Ed.

I cant help but to doubt it though, and that's because of the anonymity. For all we know this could be a well crafted design by GOP establishment using all the key talking points of the Democrats:

"the special counsel looms large",
"working diligently from within to frustrate parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations."
“resistance”,
"thwarting Mr. Trump’s more misguided impulses until he is out of office.",
"the president’s amorality",
"free minds, free markets and free people",
"the press is the “enemy of the people"",
"Americans should know that there are adults in the room"

To what end? Who knows, maybe to rein in all those undecided votes in November

a reply to: dragonridr

We basically had a person take out an AD saying they are committing treason against the United States.

Treason is aiding and abetting an enemy. This person or group of people is ostensibly working to protect the country they love

Yeah - I know how that sounds. Especially lately

I thought about this a lot last night. What would I do if I knew things the general public couldn't know? What if I could see that our president was off his nut, causing a great deal of damage, and that there were people working to protect him and their agenda instead of working to protect the office of the president and the country?

Tough call. People will never agree on this one anyway - especially because they can't know how bad bad really is

a reply to: alphabetaone

In short, even if I was to entertain the 4D Chess notion of Trump (which I don't), his ego would never allow him to be complicit such a personally damning Op-Ed.

As to the other, the author is admittedly GOP and celebrates wins in the Tax Bill and Deregulation, but as far as a general plot by mainstream GOP, the only way to keep a secret is to not tell anyone and in DC even that doesn't always work.

There is no way this Op-Ed was a team document of any sort IMO.

a reply to: alphabetaone

FWIW - I still suspect Pence even though he has denied it through a spokesperson.
The first complaint was about Trump lacking a Moral tether to base decisions on.
The word "Lodestar" which is both uncommon and often used by pence?
And he of course has the most to gain from a melt-down.

If it wasn't pence, it was made to look like Pence IMO.

Full on Game of Thrones going on.

a reply to: Grambler

When many people in the left labeled anyone who disagreed with them a racist,bigot,fascist,evils, etc.

Trump is a reaction to that escalation

Is this going to be the standard excuse now?

It doesn't make Trump voters sound very credible: the only reason I voted for the worst president this country has ever seen is because the left picked on me

a reply to: NiNjABackflip

Because he admitted to subverting democracy and constitutionally mandated authority.

I think we all need to have a discussion about whether or not we're still living in a democracy

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: NiNjABackflip

Because he admitted to subverting democracy and constitutionally mandated authority.

I think we all need to have a discussion about whether or not we're still living in a democracy

Well, not anymore. But for all we know, it has been like this for quite some, the difference being the past leaders were all in on it.

a reply to: NiNjABackflip

Well, not anymore. But for all we know, it has been like this for quite some, the difference being the past leaders were all in on it.

This is worth an argument

Whataboutism is a perfectly natural reaction when people realize they're dealing with something they weren't expecting. Something feels off - and all we can do is speculate and accuse

We are all in a very dangerous place right now

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: NiNjABackflip

Well, not anymore. But for all we know, it has been like this for quite some, the difference being the past leaders were all in on it.

This is worth an argument

Whataboutism is a perfectly natural reaction when people realize they're dealing with something they weren't expecting. Something feels off - and all we can do is speculate and accuse

We are all in a very dangerous place right now

Misrepresentation is a natural reaction when people lack the traditional means to argue. All we can do is obfuscate and dismiss.

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: Grambler

Trump is a reaction to that escalation

Is this going to be the standard excuse now?

It doesn't make Trump voters sound very credible: the only reason I voted for the worst president this country has ever seen is because the left picked on me

That is not the only reason I voted for trump.

To claim as that person did that we had a civil discourse in this country, and trup ruined that so he mucst be overthrown is not only disingenuous, it is a dangerous mindset to have.

So it wasnt me making an excuse.

It was me answering an anti trump person excuse that we need a coup cause trump says mean words.

And yes, that does make you anti trump people look bad

a reply to: Grambler

That is not the only reason I voted for trump.

To claim as that person did that we had a civil discourse in this country, and trup ruined that so he mucst be overthrown is not only disingenuous, it is a dangerous mindset to have.

I've heard more than one person here at ATS, and then many more in different places commenting about our current situation with exactly what you wrote in that earlier post. I think it's interesting that it keeps coming up

I think it's predictable. It's obviously an excuse

Your response to me can't possibly be about anything I've said. He has coarsened the presidency - but that's not a crime. I'll fault him on other more substantial things

Let's all just remember that we have the right vote, and that's without a gun to our heads. People made an informed decision

If people now want to claim that Trump was elected because the left was insulting that's up to them, but it doesn't make them look very good. Especially since the crap was flying both ways

I understand that many liberals share your opinion, but many people also believe Obama was the most incompetent, dishonest and narcissistic leader of all time. Time will tell.

originally posted by: soberbacchus

The word "Lodestar" which is both uncommon and often used by pence?

Yes, he does. But don't discount the origins of the word. It's traditionally used by seafarers and the references is to Polaris guiding them while at sea. So honestly, anyone with Naval background COULD use the word even if they aren't mainstream actors that we get to hear a lot from. I also don't necessarily trust the denotation of "Senior Administration Official", it's too vague.

And he of course has the most to gain from a melt-down.

Does he really? I mean would you want to inherit this administration?

If it wasn't pence, it was made to look like Pence IMO.

In some ways I agree it was made to appear that way. But I know personally, if I was trying to shift suspicion away from myself, I would do all I could to appear as though I were someone else.

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis

If people now want to claim that Trump was elected because the left was insulting that's up to them, but it doesn't make them look very good. Especially since the crap was flying both ways

It's also a shift away from the traditional vetting process one uses to vote (or used to, as it were). Collective issues have become personal issues.

First and foremost on peoples' minds should be is a candidate qualified to actually do the job when deciding on something as important as the Presidency. It leads one to believe that the mindset is that it is in fact not important.

a reply to: alphabetaone

Collective issues have become personal issues.

Identity politics works - for both sides. Cracks me up when one side continually accuses the other of playing that game

First and foremost on peoples' minds should be is a candidate qualified to actually do the job when deciding on something as important as the Presidency. It leads one to believe that the mindset is that it is in fact not important

Agreed. If you factor in all the propaganda and trolling, it's not hard to see how easily we all can be pushed into tribalism. Our sense of self, our allegiances and our gut feelings seem to win out over our heads

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: alphabetaone

Collective issues have become personal issues.

Identity politics works - for both sides. Cracks me up when one side continually accuses the other of playing that game

Democracy has been hacked.

How to make the majority of Americans both left and right (the working class) vote against their own interests and to continue to support the ever expanding power and wealth of corporations and the 1%?

Make the vote about nonsense issues. Gay people, Flags, Race, not pay checks, not declining wages, not the fact that multiple jobs and/or dual incomes working 24/7 are required to just to keep a foothold in the shrinking middle class.

Identity politics derails rational choice and makes it about defending one's own "identity".

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: intrepid
Why is Snowden considered a hero in exile while whomever wrote this is a treasonous bastard?

Snowden uncovered a crime and went public.

This unknown person, if they exist, has admitted to actively slowing down or stopping the President running the Executive branch as he was elected to do. Unless he is whistleblowing on a crime, all this amounts to is an individual (or individuals) who didn't like the election result and don't like Trump's style, therefore they think they have the right to try and take the reigns of the Executive decision making for themselves.

This is one case where literally no one should be cheering.

The Deep State that people feared existed in the US govt, making a mockery of democracy, actually does exist and are brazen enough to tell the world. Citizens should be up in arms - from both sides of the political spectrum - to root out these b'stards.

If you lose the peaceful transfer of power, you are really lost for good.
This is what you get when you let a radical like Obama in the Whitehouse for 8 years. After 40+ peaceful transfers of power, with only minor niggles and some pettiness, Obama comes along and his transfer of power is all out war on the next administration.

Yes, you understand this better than quite a few American citizens.

a reply to: soberbacchus

The WH attracts patriots,

If you can call Van Jones an admitted communist patriot.... if you can call Valerie Jarrett also a communist a patriot.... if you can call Hillary who was "careless" with her personal server a patriot....
cmon man..... I guess Bush Jr is now a patriot now that he hates Trump..... a few years ago he was a treasonous war monger who liberals wanted to send directly to the International criminal court at the Hague(and a monkey to some).

The hypocrisy just asounds me.
Oh and by the way, President Trump just blew it all off in his rally tonight in Billings. Lots of people there. He just blew off the whole stupid NYT article thing. It was kind of funny to watch. And then he listed all the things which have gotten done in the last 2 years. And I guarantee Obama cannot take credit. After all, the coal miners are back to work, and you and I both know Obama sacked them with a vengeance.

a reply to: alphabetaone

So honestly, anyone with Naval background COULD use the word even if they aren't mainstream actors that we get to hear a lot from.

I'm sure there's still plenty of CFR military guys around.... but I'm inclined to think this dud of a hit piece was written by a Progressive. Plenty of them around who did stupid stuff and tried to make it look like it was a conservative.

a reply to: soberbacchus

declining wages, not the fact that multiple jobs and/or dual incomes working 24/7

You cannot change this without abolishing the Federal Reserve and the Federal Reserve Act, and making some major changes to the way things are done.
And I don't mean the socialist kind. There isn't a socialist in DC who would do what's really necessary.