Is the Richat Structure, the Eye of Sahara, the remains of Atlantis

originally posted by: peter vlar

originally posted by: Guiltyguitarist
a reply to: Byrd

When talking about DNA 2% is practically unfathomably massive.
Our DNA is over 60% identical to bananas. Do you think we evolved from bananas?

Or let me ask this a different way. If humans evolved from apes, couldn’t humans reproduce with apes, or has nature not figured out backwards compatibility yet?

It entirely depends on what point in time you're talking about. If you're asking if modern humans in 2018 can successfully reproduce with other Great Apes, the answer is no. In tests, human sperm can only penetrate the egg of the Gibbon and there's no evidence that the egg can successfully create an embryo.

If you want to go back 5 or 6 million years, there's evidence of gene transfer back and forth after the split from Chimpanzee as our X chromosome diverged from that of Chimps roughly a million to a million and a half years after the initial divergence.

But no, after being separated by millions of years, we aren't going to be instigating any admixture with other apes. We could get away with it when encountering other members of our own genus in the past and it probably happened a lot more frequently than is currently understood considering that at one point, there were 7 or 8 species of our genus roaming the globe simultaneously. It's not a matter of backwards comparability so much as it is genetic drift over several million years.

Agreed... but 5-6 million years ago, h.sapiens didn't exist. Back then we were quadrupeds (Ardipithecus) and had not even gone bipedal at that time.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: Byrd
Let's be fair neither of us are expert's

Does a Master's degree in anthropology with experience in the field (digs) count? And published papers?

I find the wise course is to not assume what others' level of expertise is here on ATS. I've been impressed by the range of education here.

even if not Atlantis it is a vast area and may once have harbored a culture but I feel it is a great candidate for Atlantis -

You might want to go back and read Plato, as others have suggested, rather than relying on internet for "accurate information on Atlantis."

discounting other story's such as the AZTLAN of the Aztec's which they placed sunk in the eastern sea

You might want to find a more reliable source -- only Atlantophiles say that it sank. The Nahuatl certainly don't think it sank and most sources indicate that it may be somewhere in the Colorado/New Mexico region, which actually agrees with some of the linguistics (where the languages are derived from).

or the legend's of the peoples of many islands including Britain and Ireland whom 'believed' in sunken kingdom's as well though most could simply be folk story's of an ancient tsunami type event.

I'm fairly familiar with Irish and Scottish (and English) folklore and legends and don't recall anything about sunken kingdoms or tsunamis. Can you point me to some of those tales that are convincingly ancient and talk about this kind of thing?

And... please, no videos. I don't want to have to sit through 5 hours of videos for a two minute clip of unsourced material.

a reply to: Byrd

Oh I absolutely agree. At 5-6 MA we’re talking pre Ardi. I was thinking more along the lines of Sahelanthropus Tchadensis or Orrorin Tugenesis. While we don’t have enough physical remains to know for sure their level of bipedalism it’s highly unlikely they they were more bipedal than Ardipithecus. There is some evidence from the femor and neck that implies bipedalism in Orrorin their dentition implies that they were more arboreal. It’s been a little while since I’ve looked in on new finds from that time frame so I may be a little off in regards to newer finds in Kenya that would indicate otherwise. Regardless, the possibility of admixture with other apes is extremely implausible based on tests showing that human soerm can’t penetrate the eggs of any other Great Apes. One test indicated that human sperm could penetrate the egg of the Gibbon which is a little odd to me considering how long ago their divergence was at nearly 17 MA. But the same round of tests showed that there was no penetration of the eggs of Chimpanzee, Bonobo, Orangutan or Gorilla. So no admixture as others try to claim.

originally posted by: peter vlar
a reply to: Byrd

Oh I absolutely agree. At 5-6 MA we’re talking pre Ardi. I was thinking more along the lines of Sahelanthropus Tchadensis or Orrorin Tugenesis. While we don’t have enough physical remains to know for sure their level of bipedalism it’s highly unlikely they they were more bipedal than Ardipithecus. There is some evidence from the femor and neck that implies bipedalism in Orrorin their dentition implies that they were more arboreal. It’s been a little while since I’ve looked in on new finds from that time frame so I may be a little off in regards to newer finds in Kenya that would indicate otherwise.

That matches with what I've been reading.

Regardless, the possibility of admixture with other apes is extremely implausible based on tests showing that human soerm can’t penetrate the eggs of any other Great Apes. One test indicated that human sperm could penetrate the egg of the Gibbon which is a little odd to me considering how long ago their divergence was at nearly 17 MA. But the same round of tests showed that there was no penetration of the eggs of Chimpanzee, Bonobo, Orangutan or Gorilla. So no admixture as others try to claim.

Interesting. I hadn't read those, but admittedly I haven't gone looking for that material (and I am sadly limited to things that are generally in English.)

originally posted by: LABTECH767

As for the Eye of Africa you have to give it credit EVEN if your dating is correct and there was never a cataclysmic upheaval raising the altitude of the region were it is located had the region been wet enough even if this site was not occupied by human's the site does still eerily resemble the description of the Platonic Atlantis and so far it remain's the most closely resembling feature to that description of a city that I have ever seen, even down to it's dimension's at least in it's center region.

There is a resemblance to what Plato described, that's true.
But Labtech, if you saw through a peach at the stem and look at a half, you'll see the pineal gland
Look at the other half and right there is the eye of Horus.

Did the AEs have peaches?

Harte

a reply to: Byrd

Agreed... but 5-6 million years ago, h.sapiens didn't exist. Back then we were quadrupeds (Ardipithecus) and had not even gone bipedal at that time.

They have found 3.7 million year old footprints in Tanzania. And 5.7 million old biped footprints in Crete. So someone was an early bloomer.

a reply to: Harte

Very true but you have to admit that any such site does deserve the full gamut of human inspection.
If there were ruin's there they may indeed be incidental but for your branch that would be an exciting discovery nonetheless even if all they were was some ancient straw hut's from pre desertification time's, for geology the site is another paradox needing to be untangled and for astronomy too regardless of the fact the impact theory can probably be safely abandoned since geology today very much plays into modern planetary astronomy with geological specialists working at the likes of NASA and ESA etc.

I agree though with the video back when this region was water rich and especially when those depression ring's were filled with water - if they ever were forming circular lake's and island's that must have been both a beautiful sight to behold that would beat most natural wonders hand's down and also HAD there been anyone to see it a place they very much may have wanted to live, those island's may have been relatively safe barring an infestation of crocodile's while the lake's would have provided a source of both water, fish and safety from the shore, it is even possible that if such could have occurred within the scope of human history that such islanders could have formed a culture and who know's what achievement's regardless of Atlantis legend may have occurred there.

a reply to: Byrd

Lost kingdom of Y's, Leoness etc, legends of the people of the Scilly ilses which tell that there island's are just the mountain tops of a the lost land.
folkrealmstudies.weebly.com...
www.ancientpages.com...

Of course as you know there are even theory's that with our many circular ruin's and structures that both Britain and Ireland were once both parts of another version of atlantis, one with a great plain to the south that vanished at the end of the ice age, only real problem with that is we were then not an island but part of mainland Europe with the old whale road - the English channel having a massive river flowing south thought it watered by many of the great rivers of western Europe and with the Thames as a simply tributary.
Even the Irish sea may have formed an inland sea blocked to the north with a huge river also flowing out of it presumably as another tributary of that once mighty river.

For someone that claim's to know my homeland's folklore you seem awfully remiss on these matters.
There are more legend's than just Y's of Brittany in France and Lyoness in Cornwall and who know's how many legend's have been lost to our knowledge over those years what with invasion's and ethnic cleansing of the land going right back to the Saxon time's and even before that when the descendant's of the circle builders were probably later displaced by the ancestors of the British Gaelic speaking people's etc.

Of course you will come across some crazy theory's such as claiming the British are the lost tribe of Israel or ancient Egyptian's etc but most of those are from far more recent such as the romantic period.

Go over to Eira and you have Hi Brasil another mystical mysterious island kingdom which is said to appear and disappear always surrounded by mist's and in line with the legend's of the land of the young time is said to flow differently there.

originally posted by: glend
a reply to: Byrd

Agreed... but 5-6 million years ago, h.sapiens didn't exist. Back then we were quadrupeds (Ardipithecus) and had not even gone bipedal at that time.

They have found 3.7 million year old footprints in Tanzania. And 5.7 million old biped footprints in Crete. So someone was an early bloomer.

Since there where bipedal hominids then last I checked it wouldnt be *that* surprising, no.

Dont think they rode around war chariots swinging orichalcum blades though. Could be wrong.

ok makes sense now, plasma burst or some sort of energy output from the sun or a star that may have also caused the asteroid belt or another planet to break up

when I look at the eye it really looks like it was melting at one point, think when you drop something in water... the ripples it makes

it all makes sense now, guess that's what would have melt all the ice everywhere as well and maybe large parts of the explodeded planet came crashing into earth and mars and maybe that's when the earth picked up the moon

oh, maybe there was some sort of star burst or energy that came from the sirius star cluster that gobekli teppe is point at, would make sense

maybe the mythology of the Inca and Assyrian empire that speak of gods from another star system that originally create man had something to do with the energy that hit the richart structure...

they could be related

maybe there was a supernova that's energy hit the earth and the planet that became the asteroid belt (potentially 2 planets) that then came crashing to earth for a thousand years pushing humans underground after the flood

This is part 2 of the you-tube video suggesting Richat Structure was once Atlantis



One of the comments in youtube was interesting: "Richat structure is located just south of the ATLAS mountains. (Ancient Greek: Ἀτλαντὶς νῆσος, Atlantis = "island of Atlas");

Artefacts have been found near the Richat Structure here.

a reply to: glend

Brilliant second video, I am now completely convinced.

Different Atlas. If only people would actually read Plato concerning Atlantis, they would already know that fact and wouldn't find any significance in this "ATLAS mountains" crapola.

Odd, that, considering Plato is the ONLY ancient source for material on Atlantis.

Harte

a reply to: LABTECH767

I am not convinced that the Rihat structure was ever at sea level but the story of Atlantis undoubtedly flourished over the years so Rihat structure may have only been the capital of Atlantis with lower lands controlled by sons of the King.

a reply to: Harte

Odd, that, considering Plato is the ONLY ancient source for material on Atlantis.

Many thought that Sanskrit literature describing the holy city of Dvaraka that Krishna founded was also a myth until they located the remains of the original city 70-100 feet under water off the coast of present day Dwaraka. Artefacts from the underwater excavations have been dated to 7500BC. Here

a reply to: Harte

There were pre-platonic account's of a sunken land in the west?.
fathersergio.wordpress.com...

Of course while we know how rigorous the oral tradition can be how could such an account survive over so many eon's but given how much it spoke of a world in shock at the end of the ice age maybe it was a great enough catastrophe to be passed down fading into legend and then into parable and finally into fairy tale.
But was it based on truth.

I am of the opinion it most certainly was at least based on actual occurrences perhaps a whole plethora of Atlantis if you like and perhaps most of them were absolutely nothing like Plato's account there name's, people's and cultures lost at the end of the ice age (which then asks did the same thing happen during the previous ice age etc), as you know I would love this to be Atlantis though if anything it fit's the legend TOO perfectly despite your argument against that since you and I know the reason's those mountains' are called the Atlas mountains is more due to the legend of Atlas whom held the world on his shoulders - but which came first the mountain's name or the legend of Atlas carrying the world?.

originally posted by: Harte
Odd, that, considering Plato is the ONLY ancient source for material on Atlantis.

Certainly none others that mention it by that specific name. Plenty of myths and legends about unusual people arriving by the sea with information about how to track the stars and build large monuments and establish agriculture and other stuff. Also quite a few that allude to previous eras or ages of humanity that were destroyed one elemental way or another.

"Atlantis" is such a Greek-ified name. I wonder what the people who lived there called it.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: Harte

There were pre-platonic account's of a sunken land in the west?.
fathersergio.wordpress.com...

None of the pre-platonic writings in that list have anything at all to do with any sunken island (Atala, for example, is on of the seven underworlds, not a sunken island.)

As another example, the only person that tells us that Solon was composing a poem about Atlantis is Plato, in one of the two Dialogues that mention it. There is no known work, lost or otherwise, by Solon about Atlantis.

Atlantis as described by Plato is certainly an allegory, there is no question whatsoever about it. That's not to say there was never any ancient unknown civilization -though there's not a shred of evidence for that either.

Harte

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: Harte
Odd, that, considering Plato is the ONLY ancient source for material on Atlantis.

Certainly none others that mention it by that specific name. Plenty of myths and legends about unusual people arriving by the sea with information about how to track the stars and build large monuments and establish agriculture and other stuff. Also quite a few that allude to previous eras or ages of humanity that were destroyed one elemental way or another.

"Atlantis" is such a Greek-ified name. I wonder what the people who lived there called it.

If you read Plato (I'm repeating myself here) you'll find that he tells us the reason all the names in the story are Greek (instead of Egyptian.)
He says it right there in writing that the names have been changed.

Please link us to these myths about learning stonework from traveling civilizations.

Harte