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80,000 paedophiles present online threat to UK children

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posted on Sep, 4 2018 @ 07:58 AM
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originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: AazadanThat's why there's no law against people of age who look younger, and why there's no law against CGI of children.
This post is about the UK and yes there is laws making it illegal to own or distribute CGI images of child sex abuse etc. Fake images are banned the same as real ones here.
Crown Prosecution Service
Now you may argue that allowing fake images provides an outlet for paedos without the abuse but I think it just validates their lust so agree with the ban.
Lock em up or option to free drug overdose is my opinion, I know we will never find agreement over that though.


Ahh, it's different here. I think you're better off without such laws.

I can see the argument in either direction, porn is well documented as taking peoples fantasies and pushing them to further and further extremes, and eventually that will probably result in someone acting out. But, at the same time it's also an outlet.

The best way to reduce pedo's harming children is probably to treat them as a community, earlier I made the analogy to gay people. In the 80's and 90's gay people tended to be very unhealthy because society excluded them. That lead to widespread disease and a whole lot of misery. Now that people are more accepting/tolerant, gay people tend to be happier simply being who they are.

Obviously, pedo's can't have relationships with children, but a society that doesn't threaten to kill someone for admitting who they are would be a good first step. Those who don't want to harm children could then seek other avenues in life like therapy and community to stay away from those urges. But right now the only therapy is chemical castration, and the only community is to be beaten or killed. That causes pedo's to hide who they are, eventually act against kids, and ultimately increase harm.




posted on Sep, 4 2018 @ 07:59 AM
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originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: Aazadan
Yes, and the law was wrong so it was changed.
Are you really comparing consenting gay sex with people screwing little kids now? Really?


No, I'm comparing societies treatment of adults. 30 years ago we treated gay people the way we treat pedo's now.



posted on Sep, 4 2018 @ 08:00 AM
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Jeesus. Lets dissolve all the laws and governments of the world and have a have a free for all.



a reply to: Aazadan



posted on Sep, 4 2018 @ 08:03 AM
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a reply to: lakenheath24
Wow, I genuinely think they would get regularly beaten to death if the UK published the addresses of released paedo prisoners. Regardless that murder is illegal.
I'm convinced it is why the UK hasn't done the same, purely to stop them being beaten to death. Loads of people would do it, I know some right psycho's who would in a heartbeat, which is why I'm genuinely shocked they don't get killed and burnt out so much in the US.



posted on Sep, 4 2018 @ 08:03 AM
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a reply to: Aazadan

Im 43, no we didn't!

Might have been frowned upon or even technically illegal.

But considered a grey area rather than a pit of evil from which there is no return which is where pedophilia resides on any sensible persons scale of right or wrong.



posted on Sep, 4 2018 @ 08:04 AM
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Hell lets just open up the barn doors and let the sheep shaggers out while we are at it.

a reply to: lakenheath24



posted on Sep, 4 2018 @ 08:05 AM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
Do gay people molest children? Nope that's pedophiles I'm afraid.


No, gay people don't molest children, though in the 80's it was claimed they did.

You seem to have not grasped the analogy, and you're not the only one so I'll repeat it as I must not have been clear.

We used to have the same feelings towards gay people as we have towards pedo's now. It was seen as wrong, and the lucky ones who came out were pumped full of chemicals. The rest were beaten and murdered. It was a very underground community as a result.

That's what we have with pedo's today. The thing is though, most pedo's know their urges are wrong, and most don't want to act out on them. There are no support structures in place though. If they goto a therapist they'll be pumped full of chemicals, if they hide who they are they'll live a life of misery, and if they act they end up harming children. None of those are good outcomes.

Making it something that people can talk about without fear of physical retaliation would be a good first step. If you want to reduce the number of kids who get harmed, it becomes important to give them other outlets in life and to not punish them for admitting who they are.



posted on Sep, 4 2018 @ 08:08 AM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Aazadan

How so?

Do gay people molest children? Nope that's pedophiles I'm afraid.

I know plenty of homosexuals and they dont tamper with weans, because they know its deplorably wrong, just like most normal people do.

Like i said how do we address the problems associated with these bastards realistically when our government refuses to do so?

Nothing to do with gay people plenty to do with pedo scum.

Answer my query please without clouding the issue.

I agree, and didn't think your comments deserved being lost at the bottom of the last page.
I think the member supports support and counselling for the paedos, not incarceration or punishment.



posted on Sep, 4 2018 @ 08:09 AM
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a reply to: Aazadan

"We used to have the same feelings towards gay people as we have towards pedo's now."

Idiots maybe, but the rest were simply live and let live sort.

Not so with pedo beasts as long as i can remember.

If you want to reduce the number of kids who get molested we need to remove the molesters, simple really.



posted on Sep, 4 2018 @ 08:11 AM
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a reply to: Aazadan



No, I'm comparing societies treatment of adults. 30 years ago we treated gay people the way we treat pedo's now.


Words literally fail me.....how can you compare the two?

One involves consenting adults the other involves adults molesting children - its pretty simple really.

I really wish you'd spare as much time and compassion for the children whose lives these scumbags destroy.

They can't be re-educated, they can't be treated and you admit they'll eventually act upon their urges so you recommend we treat them ever so nicely, lend a caring ear and be supportive until such time they decide to rape and abuse a young child at which point what do we then do?



posted on Sep, 4 2018 @ 08:12 AM
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originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
I think the member supports support and counselling for the paedos, not incarceration or punishment.


Correct. At least for the ones who have not yet acted out against children. I'm fine with punishment for those who act out against children, but I would like to see society take more steps to prevent that in the first place. Punishment just results in bad outcomes all around. The children still have the trauma, the pedo still commits the crime. Punishment in this situation is not justice, it's retribution. True justice is preventing the crime in the first place.



posted on Sep, 4 2018 @ 08:13 AM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
Idiots maybe, but the rest were simply live and let live sort.


Strange, I remember popular sentiment in the world being that AIDS is God's punishment for homosexual activity, and that the correct and moral approach was to let those people suffer, die, and pass the disease on to as many other sinners as they could.



posted on Sep, 4 2018 @ 08:14 AM
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a reply to: andy06shake
What would likely happen in your area if police published addresses of released paedo prisoners?
Would you expect the same savage beatings and killings? I would for sure, even just the local youths, never mind dodgy bastard criminal boys.
Do you reckon that's why the UK hasn't followed the US route?



posted on Sep, 4 2018 @ 08:14 AM
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originally posted by: Freeborn
They can't be re-educated, they can't be treated and you admit they'll eventually act upon their urges so you recommend we treat them ever so nicely, lend a caring ear and be supportive until such time they decide to rape and abuse a young child at which point what do we then do?


At that point, you at least know who they are and there will only be 1 or 2 victims. Instead of not knowing who they are, and there being 10 victims.



posted on Sep, 4 2018 @ 08:16 AM
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originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
Do you reckon that's why the UK hasn't followed the US route?


In the US it becomes extremely difficult for a pedophile to hold any sort of job as a result of the sex offender list. That makes them turn to crime in order to survive. It also leaves them with a bunch of free time. Living a criminal lifestyle and having a lot of free time... what do you think they're doing with it?

The US sex offender list is highly controversial, it's something I think we should get rid of.



posted on Sep, 4 2018 @ 08:19 AM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

"What would likely happen in your area if police published addresses of released paedo prisoners?"

Actually, we have a few other ways and means of spotting the wrong'yin nonces.

Police are about as useful as a chocolate teapot in that respect, they escort them away once they have been done all the same. Find them new houses and scatter flats and all that jazz.

"Do you reckon that's why the UK hasn't followed the US route?"

What do you mean? We both gaol pedophiles for what amounts to nowhere near enough time and then let them out to do it again.
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posted on Sep, 4 2018 @ 08:24 AM
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I meant about what would happen if every paedo released was on a database for the public to access?
The child sex offender disclosure scheme has caught loads and I've seen it in action at my local pub discovering a paedo out. It wasn't pretty and I have no idea where the guy is now.
Once a paedo always a paedo, no place for them in most folks idea of society here.



posted on Sep, 4 2018 @ 08:25 AM
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a reply to: Aazadan



At that point, you at least know who they are and there will only be 1 or 2 victims.


And that's one or two too many.



Punishment in this situation is not justice, it's retribution.


I'm ok with that.
Some crimes are simply inexcusable and punishment has to be the primary concern.



True justice is preventing the crime in the first place.


Indeed.
And the onus is on the individual not to commit the crime.

I might want a very expensive car....is someone going to offer me counselling to resist my desire to simply take one regardless of the laws prohibiting such an act?

The onus is on the individual....if he can't resist then he gets punished, it really is that simple.



posted on Sep, 4 2018 @ 08:28 AM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

They will inform you if asked if a beast is housed near where you live.

Wont tell you exactly where all the same for obvious reasons.

Once a paedo always a paedo indeed.



posted on Sep, 4 2018 @ 08:30 AM
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originally posted by: Freeborn
The onus is on the individual....if he can't resist then he gets punished, it really is that simple.


But you're talking about beating, murdering, and jailing people just for admitting they're pedophiles, or in the case of some people suspected pedophiles, before they ever do anything... just because you believe they eventually will.



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