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A call to ACTION to all Fiscal Conservatives

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posted on Sep, 1 2018 @ 06:43 PM
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One of the main issues is that is wrong with American towns and cities is that there are not enough fiscal Conservatives that fight against ACTUAL Liberal events. The events that are tangible and can be observed happening in many places. Not the ones trumped as issues by the people who just want to get elected.

For example, Conservatives values contain the desire for small government. This means, ultimately, the requirement for smaller towns. Yet, take a small town like Woodstock GA, the amount of old land being sold off to big builders, is increasing the population in ways that CREATE and REQUIRE big government. The forces responsible for this growth are the the liberal forces of capitalism. This force is what the founding fathers decided should be the engine that builds the country. However, when left unchecked by the will of the people, it can lead to the requirement of large infrastructure and more taxes to maintain that infrastructure. This liberal capitalism is great for town growth, where growth is required. However at the same time, there is a tipping point between growth to a sustainable level that doesn’t require NEW GROWTH and can be managed with conservative ideals, and the type of growth that meets a level that requires constant NEW GROWTH and liberal ideals to maintain the tax base of the ever increasing needs of the town.

Consider this link: en.wikipedia.org...

In the top largest 50 cities in the USA:

the vast majority of them, 33, are Democrats
3 are independent
And only 14 are republican

The larger the city, the more likely it is to have a Democratic mayor. Now that mayor may lean more to the center or not, but one thing is for certain… city planning and urban development are a key aspect of their focuses. They need growth and large amounts of taxes in order to maintain the infrastructure and the burdens on the state.

The smaller the city is, the more likely it is to have a Republican mayor. Oddly enough, conservatism requires regulation to check the forces of innovation and change and allow for sustainability and fiscal responsibility with slow growth.

But if we can protect the small towns we have, by incentivizing growth where needed and stifling it when required, basically leveraging the forces of liberal capitalism where required and checking it with fiscal conservatism, we could strike a balance towards a much less extreme state of stress that our cities and towns are currently under.

Yet, Woodstock GA is full of housing developments popping up, while the beautiful forests of the small town are continually destroyed and the painful amount of traffic on its small streets and burdens on water and sewer increases. This same town raised holy hell when one individual small business owner wanted to build a small shed to expand their business, yet BIG DEVELOPMENT of massive amounts of housing continues unchallenged. 

A conservative response to this would be an initiative to STOP all the new building until a time when it was required, and have stricter zoning laws. But the majority of people who self-identify as conservatives s in that town are content to watch their TV's and read their Facebook feed, and not lift a single finger to stop the true LIBERAL and PROGRESSIVE forces, that are in this case a menace and plaguing their town. 

Now don't get me wrong... I believe in liberal and progressive capitalism when it makes sense to do so. For example, in this case, the liberal forces at play, if checked by true conservative values, would lead to the development of a NEW SMALL TOWN further out from the area which in turn would create more people who want small government, or to modernize some of the smaller towns in North Georgia, but only until conservatives in those areas felt enough was enough as well... 

However, at this point, when it comes to the majority of our misguided electorate and the actual fiscal issues, the labels of conservative vs liberal are tantamount to one sports team vs another regardless of the players or their stats. It's time that fiscal conservatives launched the Small Town Initiative, and channel the liberal forces of capitalism to the will of the people.



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posted on Sep, 1 2018 @ 07:27 PM
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a reply to: HunkaHunka


he larger the city, the more likely it is to have a Democratic mayor. Now that mayor may lean more to the center or not, but one thing is for certain… city planning and urban development are a key aspect of their focuses. They need growth and large amounts of taxes in order to maintain the infrastructure and the burdens on the state.


Wasn't sure if your post was just satire, but your premise is incorrect.

Progressives are drawn to money... that's where the REAL corruption can happen. Where they can amass more power.

Just a tick looking for the biggest dog.

It's as simple as that.

I will edit to throw this quote in here and just walk away...


Using U.S. cities with a population over 100,000 and the most recent FBI statistics on violent crime, USA Today formulated a list of the top ten most dangerous cities in America. Of these ten, eight are currently run by Democratic mayors and city councils, and two are controlled by Independents. Of the past ten mayors of each of the three most violent cities in America — Birmingham, Detroit, and St. Louis — eight have been Democrats. All told, the three most violent cities in this country have been under nearly uninterrupted Democratic control for more than half a century.



edit on 1-9-2018 by Lumenari because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 1 2018 @ 07:28 PM
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I have a solution

stop paying taxes, problem solved



posted on Sep, 1 2018 @ 08:20 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari

I’m a conservative so I can only speak to the data. We need to keep small towns small and have. Lee of them. The force of liberal capitalism is the engine we have, and we have to bend it to the will of the people if we wish to maintain small governments.



posted on Sep, 1 2018 @ 08:24 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

Here’s a better idea, govern.

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posted on Sep, 1 2018 @ 10:46 PM
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For some reason I can't edit my earlier post from 20 minutes ago. But Basically, we need more small towns in order to have small government and we need to protect the smallness of our towns and the need for big government by keeping small towns small.



posted on Sep, 1 2018 @ 11:13 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

Taxes are a necessary evil. But in the U.S.A. according to the C.O.T.U.S. Federal taxation is very limited and legally limited in scope. The 16th. Amendment did not give "new" taxing authority to Congress.... "Congress can not, by an ordinary act of legislation, alter that by which it derives its power to legislate." ...The S.C.O.T.U.S. has ruled on this many times.
But you'd be hard pressed to find it in "Educated" propaganda literature.



posted on Sep, 1 2018 @ 11:22 PM
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most conservatives actually work we don't have time for the petty games of the left.



posted on Sep, 2 2018 @ 08:44 AM
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a reply to: Diisenchanted

This isn’t about petty games it is about the forces of capitalism, how that leads to more leftist forces, and larger government unless checked by action.

Throw out your TV and you will have plenty of time to take the responsibility that is required for maintaining small government.



posted on Sep, 2 2018 @ 08:48 AM
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a reply to: HunkaHunka


You can't force people to live in some sort of construct that would potentially benefit you ideologically.



That's not freedom.



posted on Sep, 2 2018 @ 03:35 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

I didn’t say you could, but conservatives can check the liberal progressivism by keeping small towns small



posted on Sep, 2 2018 @ 03:47 PM
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originally posted by: HunkaHunka
a reply to: DBCowboy

I didn’t say you could, but conservatives can check the liberal progressivism by keeping small towns small


At what cost?



posted on Sep, 2 2018 @ 04:04 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

At the cost of creating initiatives for new ordinances and getting them passed in your small town.

But consider the cost of not doing anything:

Growth for small towns can be good, but there is a point at which the amount of infrastructure required to support massive amounts of new developments begin to require bigger government.

Anyone who honestly wants smaller government at the local level needs to be living in a small town and helping to keep it small, to the point that big government isn’t required.



posted on Sep, 2 2018 @ 04:12 PM
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a reply to: HunkaHunka

But then you'd be denying the freedom to grow.



posted on Sep, 2 2018 @ 05:49 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

That’s what small government is. Zoning ordinances are the only check small towns have on the liberal forces of capitalism.



posted on Sep, 2 2018 @ 06:35 PM
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I wonder if this all comes back to the same ideologies and the 2 types of people with a wide range of points in-between the two polar sides. Those that love self sufficiency and freedom versus those that love having others take care of you and tyranny. There will always be mixes but looking at the general statistics, it seems to hold true.

What do large cities have? A lot of opportunities for someone else to take care of you from various welfare programs to soup kitchens to homeless shelters. They attract a certain breed. That breed then proceeds to destroy the honest economy of their hosts where the only way to continue is through accounting gimmicks and pure fraud. Just like parasites.

Once the host is dry and no longer can provide nourishment and protection from reality, they move on to the next host.

So the best way to prevent the parasites from moving in is to keep the social programs to the minimum and the exposure to reality at a maximum. It seems to work out really well where I reside. That and -40 degrees in the winter ensures a not so small amount of self sufficiency.

Now if you could just find out what makes people lazy and allergic to responsibility.



posted on Sep, 2 2018 @ 10:56 PM
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a reply to: ClovenSky

Ya know, in Woodstock GA there isn’t a homeless issue, or people looking for handouts. There isn’t even any public housing anymore. What there is, is a already affluent and quaint area that is becoming more overrun by traffic and new residential areas being cleared and built upon.

Just the infrastructure alone, expansions in sewer, water, power, roads, etc create the requirements for big government in the form of public works and continues maintenance. And the vicious circle begins.



posted on Sep, 7 2018 @ 12:11 AM
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Seems like there are no real conservatives out there who actually want small government.



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