How can you make ATS Great Again

When i mentioned thiz in snother post....i just get the change the channel routine or the infamous your just mad cuz you want more s and f's. Been a member since 2007 and just went over 1000 posts so i dont know how they concluded that.

I just wish all the dullicate tman posts would end.

a reply to: Groot

I'll just go on a bender, leave everyone I know, and cry later in texts.

a reply to: Groot

I have said it before, and I will say it again.

Trumps Presidency is the culmination of and the most obvious evidence for a whole host of conspiracy theories, about the structure, nature and flow of power in the United States and around the world, that has come to light in my lifetime. It puts a rotten cherry on top of the oil wars and proxy armies, the black budgets of the CIA and their drug smuggling operations, and indicates to all with the visual acuity necessary to see, that now the powerful cartels that own the worlds top earning nations, and conquered all the others, no longer feel it is necessary to pretend to the citizen that their leadership is of quality.

This is the beginning of a new phase of the corporatist take over of the worlds entire resource pool, something which has been going on since 1913 at least, and further back than that if you really want to get technical.

If you are not finding this interesting, if you do not believe that this is a time to be vigilant and militate against all forms of power which do not come directly from the people, rather than from soft, flaccid men like Trump and those in Congress and the Senate, or those in Parliament in the UK, and around the world, then you simply are not looking closely enough or paying enough attention.

This period in human history is so chock full of conspiracies against the citizens of the world, that to ignore the fact is utterly unforgivable ignorance of the highest order.

It's not me dude. I've created 40 threads so far this year and only 3 were about politics. 2 defining differing political "isms". Soooooo.....

a reply to: olaru12

Actually I think trump is very interesting. Watching a country devolve into fascism and tearing itself apart is from a social scientist perspective, a once in a lifetime event.

Yes, it must be interesting to watch in real time as Trump proves the power of free market capitalism and slowly dismantles the logic underpinning socialist ideologies taught to kids as if it was solid science.

a reply to: TrueBrit

when you say to the OP that indeed these are interesting or I would go as far as weird political times in our lives, worthy of ATS, I do agree. However one thing I am confused about in your comment is this:

Trumps Presidency is the culmination of and the most obvious evidence for a whole host of conspiracy theories, about the structure, nature and flow of power in the United States and around the world, that has come to light in my lifetime

According to the liberal trash book Fury and Fire, Trump did not want to be President at all, he didn't want to win. That later changed into Trump didn't expect to win and now his Presidency is the most obvious evidence about the flow of power? How did that happened?

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

But he has not being doing that.

He has been proving exactly the opposite, which is what any realistic examination of his record will show. Free market capitalism of the overblown sort he practices, has not improved the lives of regular citizens, and threatens to make things worse for the most vulnerable in society, which is exactly what one expects from an amoral, avaricious cad. Mind you, he has done a bang up job of conning idiots, some of them commenting in this very thread, that he has done the opposite.

He may as well have blown Devils Breath in your face, because right now, the American people are literally holding their own belly flesh out of the way, so Trump and friends can reach in and get at the organs within more easily.

a reply to: szino9

Read more carefully.

Trash books are just that. I am talking about objective analysis, not someones effort to make money. The desire to make money doing something, makes the motivations of those doing it extremely suspect, unless they are up front about it, and writing books because you want to make money doing it is especially gross. Books should contain either art, or pure journalism (which never contains anything but facts, unless someone is playing to an audience, and seeking funds, rather than truth). Art made for money is hackery, and journalism or documentary works made with an intent, to fit a conclusion rather than coming to one after objective analysis are equally perverse in their nature. I have no time for such petty things.

And, as for my statement, it is without doubt that Trumps Presidency is being used by already wealthy and powerful people, to achieve the erosion of the things that the government used to do, to protect the people from the avaricious nature of those financial entities, businesses and individuals who seek their exploitation. From removing the laws preventing trophies from dead endangered animals from being imported into the states, to removing the protection of American wildlife and ecology from the frackers and mineral miners in America, Mr Trump has proven that his interest is in making American BUSINESS great again, but America is not its businesses, it is its people. It has been proven time and again that when you allow businesses to become the greatest beneficiary of a policy or of a Presidency, the people suffer, whether thats the Native American people in yesteryear (or today for that matter), or the American population as a whole, the people suffer when big, multinational and national scale businesses flourish, because to make them flourish in the artificial manner they like to (that is over and above the amount that society can actually support without being damaged), requires the people having no protections from the worst excesses of their behaviour.

This has always and will always be the case, and is clearly the case here.

None of those folks still living in tent cities, despite having spent their lives working, are feeling that things are better in America right now. Their roof is still a discarded tarpaulin, their door is still two packing pallets nailed together with fiberboard. Their floor is still dirt with a thrown out piece of stained carpet over the top of it, and they are still cooking on burnt trash, in pans that were too damaged for someone else to keep.

The working people of America are still being paid below the cost of living, still forced into zero hours contracts because there is nothing else available, are still working three jobs and still failing to be able to pay rent on substandard accommodation, still failing to be able to provide themselves an actual living, despite working themselves to death in many cases, just to be able to afford to live IN THEIR CARS!

When that has totally ended, and no one is living like that who does not explicitly choose to, perhaps then Trump and friends can crow about how good the economy is as a result of their meddling. Until then though, the only people who think the economy is doing well, are the same people who benefit from it no matter what, and those who have bought the propaganda.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Right... so record low unemployment rates, booming stock markets, and high levels of market confidence proves the opposite? From what I've seen the lives of many people have improved in a tangible way since Trump got into office, I've even seen people on ATS talking about how they've benefited in some way. It seems to me you're seeing only what you want to see.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Unemployment figures get cooked all the time. I hardly think someone on a zero hours contract, who has not the money to EAT, can possibly count as employed, no matter what his tax information states.

As for the markets, the markets are only a measure of how well the market is doing. The health of an economy is indicated most strongly however, by the purchasing power of the lowest earners, not by the rampant enthusiasm of those who have already accrued a great deal of wealth. Right now, your lowest earners (and some of the hardest working amongst your people) are utterly screwed financially, and cannot get work that will get them enough money, fast enough, to avoid calamity of one sort or another.

THAT is the real indicator of the health of an economy. How well the millionaires and the billionaires are doing, how stocks look this week, are all completely irrelevant, when compared to whether or not a low level, working parent can feed their kids and themselves, heat and light their homes, and save for the future in an effective manner, as well as having access to healthcare that will not bankrupt them.

That is the real measure. Everything else is a smokescreen.

a reply to: TrueBrit

That is the real measure. Everything else is a smokescreen.

Fine, measure the average living conditions of the poorest 1% in a bunch of heavily socialist nations then measure the same thing in a bunch of capitalist nations, come back and tell me who has it better off.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

No.

Measure the improvement to the lives of the lowest ten percent in YOUR country, under Obama, and then under Trump. Do not deflect with nonsensical comparisons of apples to oranges, especially since US foreign policy and economic policy including sanctions currently, and decades of political assassinations, as well as economic sabotage by America and its allies on those socialist nations you speak of, are more responsible for the situation in the nations you are thinking of, than any internal policy ever has been.

Keep focused.

Are the lives of the most vulnerable in your society improved by Trumps actions, that is the question, and the answer is a fat, uncompromising, unambiguous no, no they aren't. Are the lives of the working poor, those wavering on the point of homelessness any better as a result of Trump? No, they are not. Are the lives of those already abused by having their lifes earnings evaporated for them, leading to them living in communities of tents and shacks made of scrap, any better because of Trumps policies? No they are damned well not, and to suggest otherwise would be disingenuous at the very least, if not an outright lie.

Stop using measures of economic health, that have nothing to do with the felt effects where they matter.

a reply to: Groot

Another week, another "I dont like what the user content is on this site and its not fair!!!!" thread. We need a new forum at this point for all of these threads.

You would think with all of the people who post all of these threads you all would be able to post the content you want, all respond to it, and it would have massive responses.

You mentioned threads on the front page, which I had a couple.

You also said those threads were lazy.

I am sorry I didnt put the work in you did on your threads.

I mean, often times my posts and threads take me quite a long time to make, with many sources and direct point by point responses to people.

But thats just lazy right?

I mean it wasnt the hard hitting investigative research you do, like on this thread you made about horny dolphins.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

If you dont like politics, dont read those threads.

Make your own. If people arent viewing your threads, maybe its not the fault of the politics threads, but that not a lot of people find your threads interesting.

But dont call people lazy because you dont have an interest in what they make.

a reply to: Grambler

Seems someone struck a nerve.

a reply to: TrueBrit

there is a loth of truth in your reply. But isn't that how America is/was in the past decades? Poor people did not became poor under Trump's presidency, not fair to put this on him alone, making him the example of all bad things. In fact I do see changes in people's life for the better. Not everyone of course, that will take more than 4/8 years.

Conspiracies coming via Trump because he is different from all of other politicians, and not necessary in a bad way. Trump is not perfect I do the occasional wtf on some things he says or does, but for now he is not doing too bad in my eyes as I can separate the person from the position he is in...

a reply to: Grambler

Gotta say...

Absolutely behind you on that one. To suggest that all political OPs are lazy, when its the effort and thought that goes into an OP that makes or breaks it, regardless of subject matter, is a ghastly misrepresentation. I have seen OPs on topics I really do not care for, that really captured the imagination and made me think in new ways. I have seen OPs on topics I already had a keen interest in, that were poorly researched and boring.

There is more to these things than just the subject matter dealt with. Quality can be found in the approach to any topic.

originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: Grambler

Seems someone struck a nerve.

Hahaha!

Not at all!

I was smiling the whole time I typed that.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Thanks.

Look its no secret disagree with you on just about everything.

But one thing I will say is that you certainly put a lot of thought and energy in your posts.

They are never just one line, and instead are often multiple paragraphs long.

Just because i dont agree with what you write doesnt mean I would complain about it being here or call it lazy

a reply to: Groot

How can you make ATS Great Again

By building a firewall, and making the political idiots pay for it.

Trump won, get over it. Better than HRC winning by far.

It's just not that simple. He didn't win anything, and she threw the election on purpose. The longer this nonsense goes on, the more it shows both sides are equally in on the whole deal. We're in an audience participation theater, and none of us are winning so much as anything.

The rich are winning, tho- at the rest of our expense. There isn't a damn thing we can do, except sit back and watch the world burn down in front of us. So quit pissing in the fire, all you're doing is stinking up the place.

a reply to: szino9

Here is the thing of it though...

The things he says he is doing better, he is not. The things he does are not improving things for those who NEEDED an improvement, they are only fluffing the pockets of those who WANT something better, not those who already worked for it, but got screwed. He is playing to the audience he cares about, those with addresses, those who would be unaffected by the negative effects of his policies until he is a distant memory. He does not care about those who are being damaged by his policies and actions NOW, because they are voiceless, powerless, and poor in the extreme, yet doing more than their fair share of the physical work in America!

It is NOT easy being in a low wage, zero hours job. It is more physically demanding on a body with inappropriate nutrition, to do a days simple work, than it ever is to ask someone who is properly compensated to do something extraordinarily difficult. Try starving yourself for a week, then going to a janitorial job at an office, and cleaning the whole building top to bottom on your lonesome in eight hours. Every pane of glass, every desk top, phone and keyboard, every wastepaper basket emptied, every toilet cleaned... go ahead! Its harder work being poor and working, three BS jobs, than it is to work one eight hour shift and collect a decent cheque, especially when there is inappropriate access to nutrition, but screw the details, right?

People are not poor JUST because of Trump, YET. They will be in a year or two, or five, when his idiocy really comes home to roost. When those tent cities start having their own political processes, and representatives to the government, because their population is greater than the population of the regular cities around them, perhaps people will see the truth. But its not appropriate to wait until then to see what is really going on, and to do that, folk need to stop looking at how the markets are doing, and concentrate on where the REAL health of an economy lays, which is and always will be, in how those with the least are fairing.