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Archbishop who called on Pope to resign says corruption reaches the top

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posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 11:09 AM
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It's not some bad apples.


VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - The archbishop who sparked a crisis in the Catholic Church by calling on Pope Francis to resign has denied he was motivated by personal vendetta and said he sought to show that corruption had reached the top levels of the Church hierarchy.

Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano has gone into hiding since conservative media published an 11-page statement in which he alleged the pope knew for years about sexual misconduct by an American cardinal and did nothing about it.


Life will get interesting now for this fella.

From a different source.


On Tuesday, veteran Vatican journalist Edward Pentin, who broke the story about Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò’s bombshell letter accusing Pope Francis of covering up abuse charges against ex-Cardinal Theodore McCarrick and calling on the pope to resign, added a new twist to the evolving narrative.

According to Pentin, “Viganò has gone into hiding and fears for his life following the publication of his testimony.”


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Vigano has been communicating through Aldo Maria Valli, an Italian television journalist who Vigano consulted several times before releasing his statement last Sunday when the pope was in Ireland.

Italian media has reported he was upset because he was never made a cardinal by former Pope Benedict or because Francis blocked his further advancement in the Church.


Typical cover-up by the Mainstream Media.


“I have never had feelings of vendetta and rancor in all these years,” he was quoted as telling Valli, who has been publishing statements from Vigano in his blog.

“I spoke out because corruption has reached the top levels of Church hierarchy,” said Vigano, a former Vatican ambassador to Washington.



The Vatican had no comment on the new accusations by Vigano.


Of course not, better to plead the 5th, amiriteeeee. /sarc


In his statement, Vigano accused a long list of current and past Vatican and U.S. Church officials of covering up the case of Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, who resigned last month in disgrace.


I'll tell this again. Innocent people do not resign.


On his flight home from Ireland on Sunday, Pope Francis told reporters he would “not say one word” about the accusations.

“Read the document carefully and judge it for yourselves,” he said.


Smart response. That way he can't get caught lying and neither confirming the accusations.

I hope all of these scumbags die in prison for their crimes against the children.




posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 11:31 AM
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a reply to: vinifalou

Of course the corruption runs to the top. The Vatican has always ruled with an iron fist. To think the Pope and his entourage were unaware is naive at best. I disagree the Pope should resign. It didn't fix things when the last one left his office. Instead, I think he should have to be the one to clean it up. It's time for an internal inquisition.



posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 11:34 AM
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“I spoke out because corruption has reached the top levels of Church hierarchy,”


So he claims he also knew all this time and recently decides to speak out?

Sounds unbelievable.

Kinda like he was ok with it happening at lower levels?

I smell some amount of bs.



posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 11:40 AM
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a reply to: vinifalou

Even if Archbishop Carlo is exposing this because he has a vendetta... it doesn’t change what everyone in the world already knows but most don’t want to discuss or acknowledge publicly.

And that is the fact that the abuse is rampant and MUST go to the top, otherwise there is no way this abuse could continue to be covered up.

Where’s the humanity?????

In addition, if you’re going to blow the whistle, you better be strapped. That goes for every whistleblower no matter the industry.



posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 11:45 AM
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originally posted by: howtonhawky

So he claims he also knew all this time and recently decides to speak out?

Sounds unbelievable.

Kinda like he was ok with it happening at lower levels?

I smell some amount of bs.


This is what usually happens, my friend. If you think he should've found out and instantly blabbed about it you're too innocent or you're pretending to be.

It takes time to having the guts to speak public about this. Haven't you read he's already fearing for his life?

He's not dealing with anything less than the mafia itself.



posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 11:47 AM
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a reply to: Klassified

This is supposed to be the last Pope according to prophecy - if you believe in that stuff.

It’s not like this is a conspiracy site or anything.



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posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 11:56 AM
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a reply to: six67seven

I wasn't going to conspirationize this OP, but since you brought it up...

Prophecy of the Popes

The Last Pope Ever: The Truth About the St. Malachy Prophecy

I don't know, it's all so strange about this Pope. All funny and modern with his talking about baptizing aliens.
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posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 11:59 AM
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originally posted by: vinifalou

originally posted by: howtonhawky

So he claims he also knew all this time and recently decides to speak out?

Sounds unbelievable.

Kinda like he was ok with it happening at lower levels?

I smell some amount of bs.


This is what usually happens, my friend. If you think he should've found out and instantly blabbed about it you're too innocent or you're pretending to be.

It takes time to having the guts to speak public about this. Haven't you read he's already fearing for his life?

He's not dealing with anything less than the mafia itself.


Maybe the pope just needs time..


Anyone who covered up or kept quite is just as guilty as any one else who covered up or kept quite or is just making crap up in some manner.

Now if we find out there were reports made by him that were ignored then that is different.

Perhaps a lighter sentence for finally coming forward but seems to be guilty of the same as what he is accusing the pope of if true.



posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 12:14 PM
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Sooo... the Pope's a Pedo , who would have thought it ?

It's not just McCarrick that he /Bergoglio/Francis has defended , but he penned an entire book in an attempt to influence the outcome of an Argentinian trial of a Catholic luminary , for guess what crime .... again .
That was before he became Pope .

Now , we dont mind if people admire the beauty of youth from time to time , but these are not just statutory rapes we're talking about here ,
but they are the downright evil deeds of very serious molesters .

That so called religious men carry the pretence of being moral agents - yet they are the foulest type of maggots - means they need cleaning out all together . They call themselves "Venerable" and "Reverend" when they are in fact "Abhorrent" .



posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 12:28 PM
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a reply to: Klassified




It's time for an internal inquisition.


It's past time for an internal inquisition.

Fixed it for you!



posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 01:06 PM
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a reply to: vinifalou

innocent people do resign due to bullying and we know that well.



posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 01:14 PM
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It's about time this corrupt perversion of the Christian religion is done away with.

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posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 01:24 PM
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posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 02:00 PM
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posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 02:27 PM
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a reply to: Damla

Not sure if you're serious or..



posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 02:35 PM
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a reply to: vinifalou

there are two types of people in this world, those who speak when they are not sure and those who speak when they are sure.
which one do you think has the advantage?



posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 03:56 PM
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What I don't understand is, if the scripture is good and holy, how are these people so #ing corrupt?

If you are immersed by the scripture and read it daily, how could you be around this holy gospel and still commit these acts?

The other interesting thing was priests were able to marry up to 12th century and then suddenly god came down from heaven and said no more. 'That inheritance money will not go to the priest's families...it will come back to the church'.

For an institution that concentrates so much on the material world with greed apparently being their greatest motivator, they sure do get a pass. I wonder why?



posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 06:16 PM
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a reply to: ClovenSky

Like any good and well-meaning operation, the Church has succumb to the slow, toxic decay of corruption and heirachy...



posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 07:11 PM
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a reply to: ThaEnigma

But does that make any sense to you at all? The man approved, nicaea compiled books of holiness ... errr, I mean the direct words of god should be holy, shouldn't they? If they contain the actual teachings of god, shouldn't the practitioners of this idol be holy themselves simply by reading the word and being immersed in it?

There is something very very wrong with all of this. It seems like religion is being irrationally protected against rational thought. Why can't it be questioned. I am not saying people shouldn't have the right to believe in the spaghetti monster or anything like that, but at least have an open mind enough to question.

If the message were true and just, would you be able to preach that message and still be corrupt? Why did god or his representatives come down to earth multiple times in the past and teach his message directly but now is so claimed representatives are probably doing the most corrupt thing a person can do in this reality, they are taking advantage of innocence and severely transgressing against free will.

The pure and innocent are being #ing corrupted here and even the highest levels of priesthood and clergy are complicit. How can this institution, that claims direct messages from the invisible man in the sky, be allowed to continue with this corruption? Either the word isn't holy or god themselves approves.

If god is all knowing and just, per the bible they have no problem with intervening in mankind's affairs, why is this allowed to continue. Maybe it is because the official church has become the moneylenders that were so hated throughout history?

If there were a correct ideology for this reality, would its practitioners who would be immersed in the righteous path be able to commit these types of atrocities?

Somehow I doubt compassion and empathy are within the domains of the abrahamic religions.
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posted on Aug, 31 2018 @ 03:47 AM
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If the message were true and just, would you be able to preach that message and still be corrupt?


The Bible speaks very clearly about this. In the day of Jesus, the ones preaching the message, but living corrupt lives were the "Pharisees". While God's words are holy, men are not. When you become a greedy hypocrite and follow the ways of the world instead of what God teaches in His word, people become corrupt. The Bible says that those who preach the message and don't practice it, will be judged the harshest by Jesus.

There's another aspect to Christianity that many Catholics (and others) don't appear to understand. While the Catholic church recognizes that the Holy Spirit exists, many have no idea what it means to experience Him. Faith is more than reading scripture or even performing good works. It's ALL about having a personal relationship with God/Jesus. Not all Christians have a true understanding of what that means or how it works. Without true conviction by the Holy Spirit, the rest becomes meaningless practice of traditions.

God's plan for this world and everyone in it is spelled out in the Bible if you're really interested in finding out how God plans on correcting everything.




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