originally posted by: Freeborn
Not the topic under discussion but quite predictable that you'd squeeze that in somewhere.
I know lots of Christians of various denominations who aren't homophobic and don't see it like you.
Would they be Christians in your eyes?
That in itself is quite revealing as to how locked in your pre-conceived ideas you are.
That's not a criticism but rather an observation.
Many with opposing views are equally blinkered.
Me: We do not subscribe to Hollywood sleaze.
You: Who does?
That I squeezed anything in translates, "I don't like seeing that." LGBT is a major, major agenda the left is pushing you'd, apparently, rather not
see mentioned, from a critical standpoint. The thread topic is left-right matters. I was explaining part of a real divide, LGBT a major bone of
contention the Christian right has major, major issues with. In any event, do not tell me what I may or may not mention, to substantiate a point.
The Christian stance, of scripture, is that homosexuality is perversion. This is not about me, rather about where God stands. And, yes, I am locked
into what you're trying to pejoratively spin as pre-conceived notions, as if it's bad to have fixed standards, even locked into some notions that come
from God, regardless what I may personally think or wish to believe, adding I've not once found Holy God's stand the wrong one, in the end. But, to
me, it's always been what homos do with their private parts gags a maggot, nature telling me doing that poop shute thing or tonguing the same sex
takes away my appetite to think about, can't help that, don't have a problem with God's thinking there, find it grotesque, though I'd not tell any
sinner to cease and desist anything legal, that's not in my home or face: this is for the Lord to judge, in a judicial sense. Put it this way, you've
got to be damned staight I'd be phobic somebody wanting to rear door me, or want to see that, may wonder where that hand has been to shake it, or
think, especially, a couple homo men, adopting little boys, belongs on this planet, any more than marriage is actually anything but between a man and
woman, the past thousands of years, mind you. And I don't apologize for this, for letting God be true and every man a liar, then. Read Romans 1:18-31.
Homosexuality is perversion of fools, thougn I would hasten to say this is true of all sin, but homosexuality is strongly called out as evil, is the
same as liars, murderers, etc. All sin is damned. Go ahead and call me a homophobic, then, and let me help you extend your condemnation: I'm also an
adultererophobic, a liarophobic, a thiefophobic, a murdererophobic, a covetophobic, a devilophobic, a general scumbagophobic, let's just insert et
cetera, guilty as charged! I'm as phobic as a sterile environment is to a landfill, then. Just call me Phobe, for short, and praise the Holy Lord
To a true Christian, the word of God isn't negotiable. What you're calling a Christian, that also subscribes to things God has stated are evil, is not
the stand of a true Christian, though, especially a baby Christian, can take awhile to come around, that is, we cannot say any Christian, especially
one new to the faith, is not a Christian, for not being an instant Bible scholar or failing to "listen" to the Spirit of Christ, in favor of mucking
around in the world. God will need to take those persons to the woodshed, read Hebrews 12: they will come around, or will be struck dead, as a matter
of fact, if their sin is unto death. This, in fact, was my experience, have known that correction as a child of God. Like a person growing up, there
are levels of faith maturity. But somebody that would promote homosexuality, as a long term so-called Christian? No, I cannot believe such a one can
be a Christian, in defiance of God. The Christian of the Spirit is led into all truth and in the process of being conformed to the image of Christ,
John 14:17 and Romans 8:29, must needs be that Christian grows apart from the devil's system we know as "the world" that damns, that world we cannot
be a friend of and a friend of God, at the same time, James 4:4, Luke 4:8. Your fake Christian lives a life notoriously trying to serve two masters,
is a fraud, a spiritual adulterer, that the Lord spews out of His mouth, Revelation 3:14-21. God must be worshiped in spirit and in truth, period,
John 4:23-24, and God is not mocked or fooled by fakes, Galatians 6:7 and Hebrews 4:12. Only people like you are, apparently, fooled by fakes, to
possibly think Christianity has an accord with homosexuality, despite such as Romans 1. These pro-homosexuality Christians you seem to know are simply
dead wrong, and it's a granted the world is full of fakes, the true the few, Matthew 7:13-14. It's all in scripture, and God defines what a Christian
is, not the world, and the Christian is of every living word that proceeds from God, Matthew 4:4, John 6:63. Anyway, show me somebody on the order of
a decade or decades along in their so-called faith, cavorting with the corruption of the world, and I'll show you an unrepentant fraud of a Christian.
Otherwise, I am sorry, but your other points are putting words in my mouth and are a totally bent perception of what I stated, understandable, since
you don't really grasp the deep truths of the Christian faith, are not expected to, no offense meant on that score, just things we could not discuss
on the same page, to make you see where certain remarks were coming from, bottom line, things that come down to obedience, trusting in the Lord, God's
holiness as the true standard. For instance, millions upon tens of millions do subscribe to Hollywood sleaze, around the globe, your most rabid
leftists totally, your problem being you don't really recognize what is, in fact, sleaze of the world. Your remarks strikingly display a lack of
acknowledging God's standards, asking who does, of a world that is nothing but who doing the world, flesh and the devil, and by popular demand,
Holiness just escapes you, period. Obama sucked Hollywood's kneecaps, like most of the rest of you. You likely feed yourself a steady diet of the
world's sleaze, everyday, just don't see it for what it is. In other words, there's a world of things you don't see as evil and wrong, worst case may
never, if you never repent and come into agreement with God. Holiness is like a beautiful painting you, as a blind man, would argue with me against
the beauty of, which is at the heart of your remarks, so clearly. John 3:19-20. You're at odds with the light of God.
The Christian faith is not up for debate, isn't a matter of politics, and, again, yes, there are many pre-conceived notions I fully stand with, if
thus saith the Lord, and I don't apologize for that. I'm not here to be liked by you, or debate fixed truths, for that matter. You believe or you
don't. That's about all she wrote, as you need to repent and come to faith in the Lord Jesus, to even have your eyes and ears opened to understanding
where people like me are coming from, what evil actually is, as a matter of fact. Otherwise, it would all be senseless bickering, a useless
discussion, as you reject the whole counsel of God. Again, you believe or you don't. If you don't, you need to repent and believe, to be saved from
hell, this the only real issue. Beyond that, there's not much of anything useful I could say to you, anyway, you could even relate to.