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'They're liquidating us': AT&T continues layoffs and outsourcing despite profits

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posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 05:54 AM
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a reply to: lakenheath24


I can read just fine thank you,


Then where in the OP did I lay blame on the president alone? It sounds like you're in the defensive.

You don't agree with this statement I take it?


They couldn't give a damm about the working man. Not the corporations, not the high paying politicians in DC, BOTH Democrat and Republican, not the current administration.


Why are you so defensive?




posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 06:00 AM
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originally posted by: Ohanka
This is what happens when your country becomes a corporate oligarchy.

Neither Party in America wants to fix this because they are all on the leash of these corporate interests.

Either somebody must challenge this status quo or it will correct itself, violently. People get very angry when they don't have enough money to eat.


So true, but as we know everyone running for office, someone has mud on them. Americans need Rev. Billy Grahm (sp) to come back to America and run for office. Like he said, I never get into an elevator by myself. Wise man.



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 06:12 AM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

I said why...based on all your other posts where every time someone loses a job, you make another thread about how the Tman's policies are ruining the world, especially the tax cuts.

In fact, I pointed out that there are 6 million jobs, BUT for some idiotic reason business and education are not meshing. It's not because of the Tman, or Obama, or Congress, or tax cuts. It's business and a failure of the education system to push kids to where the jobs are.

The diff here seems who to blame here is all. Peeps gotta see what the job market is and adjust, train, whatever, and corporations need to quit trying to suppress wages. I don't have an answer, all I can do is come on here and moan about it.
edit on 29-8-2018 by lakenheath24 because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 06:18 AM
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a reply to: lakenheath24


I said why...based on all your other posts


So it's personal, not about the OP.

No point in going any further.



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 06:37 AM
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Where is your OP on all the company's hiring people? Low unemployment and what not...



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 06:47 AM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian




Where did I only blame Trump in the OP? 


In every thread you made.



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 06:55 AM
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"It doesn't matter if you are rich or poor, its always good to have money". - Milton Berle



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 06:59 AM
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originally posted by: Trueman
a reply to: Southern Guardian




Where did I only blame Trump in the OP? 


In every thread you made.



Well to be fair he didn't specify blame trump in the op. The linked article mentioned trump and only trump several times and even gives us a picture in case we forgot what he looked like..



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 07:19 AM
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My take on the corporate thinking is that most of the people that sit on the board of directors are elites. As such they pretty much all of the same elite education. That elite education is a "global" education. That "global" education has been stating since at least the 1970's that Western European advantages are racist and imperialist and need to be stopped. So when the elites at the board of director level move jobs to India from US or say England, they are not doing anything wrong in their minds. In fact they believe they are doing the best thing possible for the planet. They believe that the people complaining about this are rubes and that their cries of unfairness ring mute.



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 07:19 AM
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Mommy....the bad man wont play fair!!!!!!



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 07:22 AM
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You forgot Egypt. Why do folks always forget Egypt ?
Well , Barry's plan did fail there.
The "Arab Spring" . Damned well planned out by one Soetero as President
They were supposed to get shed of Mubarak and install a more Western style leader
Instead , they got the Muslim Brotherhood and a crack-down on all Western NGOs
Upset old Barry's cart to the Nth Degree




posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 07:24 AM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian


you have noted a problem. a problem that has been arround for many years, and many governments. and a problem that has only been getting worse. and it is a problem for pretty much every rich country. being caused by companies outsourcing manufacturing, and now remote service jobs like telemarketing to countries where due to their lower cost of living, which equals much lower wages, means that corporations have to pay far less for the same work than they need to pay people in the richer countries.

now what is the real cause of the problem? it is not really the government. the ultimate fault is with corporations and their quest for the highest profits possible. a problem that is magnified by having stock markets. and driven by the lower wages people need to earn in order to afford to live.

there are a few ways this problem could be dealt with. but it would take the power of the governments of the richer nations to do. things that are not likely to happen for three main reasons. reason number one of course is that because of campaign contributions almost every politician has been bought and paid for by the rich and corporations. who of course expect those they pay to get elected (and many companies actually support candidates for both major parties, as well as the odd independent they feel have a chance at winning to hedge their bets and thus no matter who wins, they win), to do their bidding. the second reason is that almost all politicians are rich themselves (or somehow seem to become rich while in office, like Obama), and thus they are also doing what is best for themselves. the third reason is actually interesting. it is the fact that the more profits that a company and the rich earn the more tax money the government earns. at least theoretically, since those corporations and the rich have built in so many loopholes for themselves into the tax code so they get out of paying a lot of what they should pay. but that tax money is what the government relies on to pay for everything. that tax money is what politicians, especially the democrats in the US and other liberal leaning parties in other countries, rely on to buy off voters to vote for them.

in fact it seems Trump might actually be trying to at least try to lesson the problem as we speak. we have heard that there is some sort of clause in his Mexico trade deal about paying workers in at least some industries something like $16/hour. not that that is actually enough to aleviate the problem in industry such as the automotive industry in which workers in the US get paid much more than that. however i see that as more a symbolic thing, than something which will help. since of course all it will really do in the end is make Mexico much more accomodating and work to take even more work, since even though t5hat still makes manufacturing cheaper in Mexico. the high wages in comparison to the Mexican cost of living will mean richer people and more taxes for the Mexican government (at least for awile until that type of pay causes their cost of living to increase to absorb those wages).

if you really want to solve the problem you have to do one of two things. either decrease the cost of living so that wages are comparable, and thus there is no finantual benifit to outsourceing. or build within trade agreements and taxes a way to even out those cost of living diferances. yet again canceling the benifit of outsourcing.


with services such as telimarketing type things which are purely labor with no physical product being imported, the easiest way to deal with it is to tax the company involved the cost diferance between wages. ie in the Philippines (which has a huge outsourced call center industry) they pay the workers an average of 107 piso/hour (or about $2 us/hour). yet in the US the average is about $19/hour. that means that the company is saving about $17/hour by having call center work done in the Philippines compared to in the US. so if the government taxed a company such as AT&T 17/manhour of the outsourced service. it would no longer mean that AT&T can increase their profits by that $17/manhour by sending the work overseas. that tax would equalize the diferance of cost of living. and thus there would be no real point for AT&T to outsorce that work. and you could use that tax money if they don't bring the jobs back to help offset the costs like welfare and unemployment in the US that the outsourcing of those jobs creates.

when it comes to manufactured products, there should be a duty charged on the imported products that again equalizes the diferance in pay between the export country and the US. so basically is say a cellphone costs $100 in China, but would cost $500 in the US. then you would have a duty of $400 on the import of that cellphone. of course since it is trade, that duty can be gotten rid of if China were to buy an equal number of the $500 cellphones to import as they are exporting. and of course any money collected could be used to pay things like welfare and unemployment costs assosiated with those jobs making the cellphone. but a much better idea would be to use that money to reduce the cost of products being exported to China, thus making American products price competitive against Chinese manufactured products in China. which could get rid of that huge trade surplus that China has over the US. ans would in the end equal more and better paying jobs in the US. because either more US products would be made in the US for the US market. and/or more US products would sell in China. seriously people like US products all over the world, but compared to other equal products they cost too much for most people.



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 07:25 AM
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originally posted by: eManym
"It doesn't matter if you are rich or poor, its always good to have money". - Milton Berle



When you become old, the saying is so true. No one likes old folks without money, even sometimes their kids.



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 09:15 AM
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AT&T has been failing for a while now. I', an IT professional and we HATE AT&T. We hate their service, we have their support.



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 10:28 AM
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A simple tax reform for citizens would help greatly.

Every person working in America should be able to make 100$ a day tax free.

This goes right in line with our former tax laws and several court rulings up until the mid 1900's when the USA began to tax a persons labor.

Profits were always taxable but labor was not.

Profits could be taxes could be capped at 33% for 330,000$

30%=200,000+

20%=100,000+

36,000-99,000=10%



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 10:32 AM
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The romantic dream of MAGA continues..



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 11:34 AM
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Holy Shnikeys SG. You sure triggered something fierce with this one



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 11:39 AM
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Layoffs and outsourcing is how you get profits. That's Business Management 101. If a successful company starts laying a lot of people off, that is the time to invest in that company.

In our economy, "business" is more important than people. It's always been that way. That's why we talk about "Human Resources," like people are something you replace like copier paper.



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 12:25 PM
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Why all the fuss over big business anyway? Small business is the driver of the entire economy and pulls in half of gdp...plus emplys more people. THIS is where those tax breaks will come in handy.
sbecouncil.org...



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 01:34 PM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

Every one of these threads is the same thing - whining about "the man".

Do something about the problem. Suggest a solution that will actually work in the real world and write your political representatives or run yourself.

The problem is there is no working model anywhere on earth right now that can do better for all levels than capitalism has and instead of trying to work with the system to succeed in it, people just want to pretend that some mythical communal dream is plausible. If humanity put as much effort into bettering their own lives as they do complaining about how unfair it is we'd all be a whole lot better.




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