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I warned trump haters; trump now may take action against social media companies

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posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 09:35 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Grambler

It starts with government saying you can't censor.

But once we cede our right to government to determine what is applicable to censorship, we give up our own right to self determine.



Do you concede by the democrats already telling these companies that they have to censor certain view points, or they will regulate them, and the tech companies bowing to that pressure, we are already there.

Again, i general I agree with you.

SO I again ask, you would have been ok with bell atlantic only allowing conservatives to use their phone lines?

The government had no right to say they couldnt do that?
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posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 09:44 AM
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originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Grambler

It starts with government saying you can't censor.

But once we cede our right to government to determine what is applicable to censorship, we give up our own right to self determine.



Do you concede by the democrats already telling these companies that they have to censor certain view points, they will regulate them, and the tech companies bowing to that pressure, we are already there.



Yes. We can see, have seen, what government regulation will look like.





SO I again ask, you would have been ok with bell atlantic only allowing conservatives to use their phone lines?

The government had no right to say they couldnt do that?


No. Absolutely not.


When the senate used the "nuclear" option, it benefitted them. Once another party came into power, that "option" was used against them.

I see this in the same way.

It is a short-sighted option that would lend itself to abuse if we give up an INCH of self determination on our speech.

Are leftists and democrats censoring now?

Absolutely!

But we cannot give authority over to the government.

Giving government authority over free speech is like giving government authority over our privacy and calling it "The Patriot Act".



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 09:48 AM
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This whole social media thing reminds me of a George Carlin joke which goes something like this: "If you don't like what you are hearing, change the channel. See those two knobs on your radio. One changes the station, the other powers it off." Ditto for social media. It cannot make you read a web page, tweet, or whatever. If you don't like it, don't consume it. That's why I avoid mainstream media, particularly Fox News. Ain't nobody got time for that.



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 09:51 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

SO if you agree we are basically in a point of government regulation of these companies, but just by democrats having tech companies censoring conservative (or non establishment left voices).

SO how do we change that if not by government action?

And yes, I agree about the nuclear option.

But again, this seems to be a far different issue.

I would not be for the government saying what the press could or couldnt say.

But at this point, seeing as how there is almost no competition, there is a good argument to be had that just like the telephone when it first started, these sites are a utility that is a big part of most peoples lives in this country, with no alternative.

And just like the telephone, it seems like allowing them to censor people based on political viewpoints is a bad idea, especially when that is being worked out in conjunction with politicians who want their opponents censored.



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 09:52 AM
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Now that net neutrality has been repealed, could ISP's charge people more money to access pro Trump websites or even a website like this one?



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 09:56 AM
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originally posted by: tabularosa
This whole social media thing reminds me of a George Carlin joke which goes something like this: "If you don't like what you are hearing, change the channel. See those two knobs on your radio. One changes the station, the other powers it off." Ditto for social media. It cannot make you read a web page, tweet, or whatever. If you don't like it, don't consume it. That's why I avoid mainstream media, particularly Fox News. Ain't nobody got time for that.


But its not that simple.

This would be more like saying, "If you dont like the phone company not allowing liberals to use the phone, then hang up the phone"

The pooint is we are not talking about just opinions that you dont like and not being forced to look at them.

We are talking about the tool that is most used to get your voice out their, and being told you are not allowed to use that tool because of your politicl viewpoints.

And keep in mind, they are all censoring on behalf of the same ideology.

The msm is overwhelmingly liberal, so people move online for diiferent view points.

So the liberal people cant have that, and they seek to remove conservative voices there.

Just like they have in hollywood, and in music, and they are trying with video games, and they have done in universities.



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 10:00 AM
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originally posted by: Grambler
Here is a handsome guy that agrees with me.



What a looker!


Go for it Grambler, you have not only intelligent commentary but a good speaking voice to go with it.
Subbed your channel already.



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 10:02 AM
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a reply to: Grambler



YAY TRUMP!



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 10:05 AM
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Some of the older people here may remember a time when tv stations were required to give time to opposing viewpoints. It was called the Fairness Doctrine. I can't remember how or why it died (likely under a Bush) but it was a good thing mandated because they were using the public airwaves.

Can the internet be compared to the public airwaves is the question?



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 10:06 AM
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a reply to: DJW001

That event of burning mass copies of Das Kapital was supposed to be a secret!
Who squealed?
A few copies of Rules for Radicals got tossed in as well.
Maybe something by Chomsky I dunno, my bookshelf has room open once again.

ETA: You'd be cold too if you had to wear lederhosen!
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posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 10:09 AM
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originally posted by: Asktheanimals

originally posted by: Grambler
Here is a handsome guy that agrees with me.



What a looker!


Go for it Grambler, you have not only intelligent commentary but a good speaking voice to go with it.
Subbed your channel already.


Hey thanks, I really appreciate it.

Tell other to subscirbe to.

Part of my wanting to promote my channel is definitely selfish; cause I want people to hear me.

But I also want to get people watching so that we can get some livestreams with people on ATS discussing issues so the rest of the world can see that ATS has some of the best minds and discussions on thinsg.

And we are the best looking people ever.



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 10:11 AM
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a reply to: Asktheanimals


Can the internet be compared to the public airwaves is the question?


The idea of the "public good" is dead. It has been tagged "socialism" and is now believed to be pure evil. The irony is that the hyper-capitalists have created an environment where they can no longer control the "marketplace of ideas." Trump cannot silence his critics not because of the First Amendment, but because they are protected by powerful corporations.



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 10:13 AM
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a reply to: Asktheanimals

For a Mod, you don't seem to have a handle on the "meme" thing.



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 10:27 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

The idea of government going even further in trying to make things "fair" just makes my Spidey-Senses go nuts!

I don't care WHO is in office, WHO is in power, or WHAT ideology they endorse, government messing with free speech is just plain wrong.


I just don't feel comfortable with this.



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 10:34 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Asktheanimals


Can the internet be compared to the public airwaves is the question?


The idea of the "public good" is dead. It has been tagged "socialism" and is now believed to be pure evil. The irony is that the hyper-capitalists have created an environment where they can no longer control the "marketplace of ideas." Trump cannot silence his critics not because of the First Amendment, but because they are protected by powerful corporations.


This isn't about public good but the public commons. Once it was a square in the town where people could graze and water their animals, hold meetings and give speeches, where "the commons" originated. If the airwaves belong to the public I think a good argument can be made that the internet is no different. It belongs to everyone. Does that make it socialism?

I rarely use memes simply because they don't help develop one's writing or ideas.
I can use scissors and paste though (if mom is watching it's ok)
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posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 10:38 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Grambler



YAY TRUMP!
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Nazis burned books to eliminate viewpoints or ideas they didn't like.

Kind of like the left is doing.

How does "stop burning books!" (censorship of disapproved ideas) become "Tumps burnin books ya'll!"

Oh that right! Look in the mirror and accuse your opponent of whatever you see. It's worked for the left for decades.



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 10:48 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Grambler



YAY TRUMP!


So you show a picture of a Google board meeting.




posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 10:51 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

Agreed. That's why I've never used it.

Always thought it could be manipulated....and everyone insisted on knowing up to the second what everyone else is up to the second they get up in the a.m. and before bedtime.

I think if all of it went down at once and no one could reach anyone else...the world would impload in on itself



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 10:55 AM
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People in the US who want the US government to limit speech should pack their trash and head to another country.

A lot of the country will do it's damnedest to not let your safe spot get created here.



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 10:59 AM
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a reply to: 200Plus




How does "stop burning books!" (censorship of disapproved ideas) become "Tumps burnin books ya'll!"


Kinda no clue whatsoever, eh? Here's a hint or two:

I am an Arctic researcher. Donald Trump is deleting my citations

Trump is deleting climate change, one site at a time

"Burning books to eliminate viewpoints and data he doesn't approve."



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