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I warned trump haters; trump now may take action against social media companies

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posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 11:42 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

I made top 100 in Twitter 2016. All political anti Hillary and DNC posts.

If you all think the Russians interfered how many of these account troll bots made top 100?

All I mean to say is this. If you think Russians tried to interfere how do you compare that percentage to other groups including my own influencing? Who made the biggest influence by percentage?

And also, if you are going to accuse them of using legal means to influence an election why do you ignore my own interference? Or does that not fit fit the narrative?

And who knows better how to speak the language of Americans in Fly Over states than an American in Flyover country?

You think they can do a better job than a studied propagandist as myself in influencing Americans as one who grew up along side you?

It seems you are willing to blame fictional people for losing than acknowledging you were beat because those on the opposition here in the great Red White and Blue.

Sounds like the same excuses we hear in online tournaments. "Oh hacks! Oh Lag!!! Rah rah!!!"

Get ready for the Red Dawn denialists. You Deny while WE MULTIPLY!

Anyway that's my two cents. I didn't earn top 100 by paying bots. I earned it with debate skills that smashed media bias.

But go ahead, blame your loss in the fencing match on the nonexistent banana peel, it's called bad sportsmanship
edit on 29-8-2018 by AutisticEvo because: (no reason given)




posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 05:34 AM
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a reply to: AutisticEvo


And also, if you are going to accuse them of using legal means to influence an election why do you ignore my own interference?


It is not legal for a foreign government to use covert means to influence an election. Period. As an American citizen you have freedom of expression, so no problem there. What is so hard to understand?



posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 06:18 AM
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He won't last long. Drone assassination or something. Shame because America and the world is seeing positives. No matter how much people like to deny.



posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 06:50 AM
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Sargon nailed it.



posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 06:53 AM
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a reply to: Phage

Yes, but no. Freedom of the Press is not only for the news media conglomerates, but for the individual to publish their ideas. So social media (as a whole is the press) just as fliers under your windshield wiper or pamphlets handed to you on a sidewalk.

Now specific entities that make up social media, such as Facebook, Twitter, etc and even ATS are individual publishing companies and retain the right to publish or not, work submitted by others. The equivalent of Post No Bills painted on a wall or fence.



posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 07:20 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: AutisticEvo


And also, if you are going to accuse them of using legal means to influence an election why do you ignore my own interference?


It is not legal for a foreign government to use covert means to influence an election. Period. As an American citizen you have freedom of expression, so no problem there. What is so hard to understand?


Except for when "we" do it the most the rest of the planet, even by bloody means, and when China does it to US, right right right???



posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 07:58 AM
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originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Speedtek
a reply to: DBCowboy

This should be found offensive by every American, no matter which part of the political spectrum you are on. While it may be a boon for one side now (in the dystopian future that would allow it) - the very same control and regulation could be used by "the other side" when the power eventually rolls back in that direction. Rule #1 - do not trust the government.


That's what I've been saying.

We get a Hillary or Warren in office and if control of speech is already under the auspices of the government then we might as well say "see ya" to the 1st Amendment.


So warren comes into office next and says "Using precedent, II too will say google shouldnt censor people based on ideology"

Ok sounds good.


Not to belabor basic truth here, but you have failed to demonstrate at all that Google or Twitter has curated their content based on ideology. To the contrary, from Trump to Trumpites, twitter and the google search engine are ripe with conservative media and talking points.

They have eliminated Fake Profiles, Russian Trolls posing as Americans, Intentionally fake news and hate rhetoric.

As private companies that is their absolute right.

If you disagree, please cite a single example with clear evidence that either platform has eliminated a poster or content based on ideology as opposed to fake or hateful content or combinations there-of.



posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 08:01 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: AutisticEvo


And also, if you are going to accuse them of using legal means to influence an election why do you ignore my own interference?


It is not legal for a foreign government to use covert means to influence an election. Period. As an American citizen you have freedom of expression, so no problem there. What is so hard to understand?


Does that mean it's not legal for our own government to do it? Because we've been the foreign government meddling to influence other elections lots of times. Why is it illegal for them and not for ours?



posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 08:10 AM
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originally posted by: and14263
He won't last long. Drone assassination or something. Shame because America and the world is seeing positives. No matter how much people like to deny.




What positives are you talking about ?



posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 08:49 AM
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originally posted by: AutisticEvo
a reply to: Grambler

Who made the biggest influence by percentage?



"Influence" is a psychological phenomena that is virtually impossible to quantify at the voter level.

On the internet, cookies might provide a track to suggest that a story, website, ad led a browser to a purchase, but a citizens path to vote is by design not tracked or monitored and that is good thing.

That is why the intelligence community is careful to say statements like "there is no evidence that the "interference" effected the outcome".

Which is to not say that it did or didn't, but rather there is no evidence because there is no mechanism to measure the influence reliably.


originally posted by: AutisticEvo
a reply to: Grambler

I made top 100 in Twitter 2016. All political anti Hillary and DNC posts.

.....

All I mean to say is this. If you think Russians tried to interfere how do you compare that percentage to other groups including my own influencing? Who made the biggest influence by percentage?



Rather than measure "influence" by downstream results (vote), it might be useful to examine what percentage of your tweets were retweets of now exposed Russian Trolls posing as Americans or citations of stories that originated with Russian Fake News stories?

Subtract fake news and Russian propaganda from you tweets and calculate percentage of original content by you or legitimate reporting that wasn't part of a foreign propaganda campaign. That, at least, will give you a percentage of how much you personally were influenced by the propaganda campaign.



posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 08:55 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: AutisticEvo


And also, if you are going to accuse them of using legal means to influence an election why do you ignore my own interference?


It is not legal for a foreign government to use covert means to influence an election. Period. As an American citizen you have freedom of expression, so no problem there. What is so hard to understand?


Does that mean it's not legal for our own government to do it? Because we've been the foreign government meddling to influence other elections lots of times. Why is it illegal for them and not for ours?


If a foreign country has laws that make it illegal then they should be investigating, prosecuting, indicting, condemning any foreigners and locals that they can prove conspired to interfere in their free elections (assuming they are free).

"Illegal" is dependent on each nations laws.

Under US law what Russia did was illegal. If US citizens participated knowingly they are subject to US Law. Any Russians involved can be banned from the US or extradited under US Extradition Agreements or arrested when they set foot on US soil or otherwise penalized through seizure of US assets etc.



posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 11:20 AM
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originally posted by: Grambler
I spent months ridiculing the idea that 12 Russian trolls posting on facebook had a significant effect on the election.

But not only was I told by people on ATS how serious this was, congress also had to have investigations, and many there blustered about how much this affected the election.

I said two things would come of this.

1. All sides would now be able to smear any movement or issue as being connected to russia. SO now we have jill steain and bernie being smeared as russians propping them up, in addition to trump.

But the shoe is on the other foot now as anti trump rallies have been formed by russian trolls, blm and lgbt causes are now being lumped in as shady because they are promoted by russians, as is the movement to disband ICE, and there are other anti trump issues being pushed by russian trolls.

So when people brush of these causes as helping russia, you know where it started.

2. This is the far more relevant point I wanted to discuss, and the point of this thread.

We were told how 12 russian trolls spending a few thousand bucks on facebook could swing or greatly influence an election.

Now to me, this is ridiculous, seeing as how BILLIONS of dollars are spent on campaigning for the election.

But i was told over and over again how powerful social media is, and how a few trolls could swing an election.

And now, as I predicted, this is opening the door for trump and conservatives to raise the obvious point;

If a dozen russian trolls using social media could have such an impact for one side conservatives, then what would it mean if the very people running these social media sites were running their platforms to censor conservatives to benefit liberals?

They have already acknowledged the vast power 12 trolls just using the platform could have.

So these platforms censoring conservatives in various ways would no doubt be exponentially more troubling.

And now, as we have seen today, trump is considering taking action against these companies.

www.cnbc.com...

SO to all of you who thought facebook and twitter were so powerful a few trolls using them would significantly affect an election, and the government needed to get involved.

I am sure you have no problem with the government getting involved now to make sure the actual owners of these platforms arent having a much greater affect on elections by censoring conservatives.

Myself and others keep telling the people that dislike trump; be careful cheering for corruption or ridiculous arguments, because these same tactics may be used by trump against people you like.

Seems like this turnabout happened rather quickly.


Works both ways BTW... Remember the vile vitriol from the Birther Brigade. Seems even Trump didn't mind that at the time, funny and quite hypocritical.



posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 11:25 AM
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Every world leader has its haters but if you can't take it or your standing in a position of weakness you aren't really going to be a good leader now are you... It's called Common Sense.

Deny Ignorance...



posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 11:38 AM
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Myself and others keep telling the people that dislike trump; be careful cheering for corruption or ridiculous arguments, because these same tactics may be used by trump against people you like.

Seems like this turnabout happened rather quickly.


Yep, the old argument, be careful what you wish for.....

It's like watching LGBT folks push for an impeachment....so...you WANT a President Pence? Because, you know, he's so gay friendly and all... LOL.



posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 03:20 PM
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I'm sick of needless regulations for the sake of politics and the ignorant. If you feel that Facebook and Google are too left leaning then use something else. Whenever the Government meddles with anything it always ends badly for the people. We get worse goods and services and pay higher taxes for them than we would have if run in the private sector. Just leave it alone and learn how to search for #.

Look, I voted for and support Trump. I know he's been in a never-ending social media smear campaign but as a user of the internet and social media, I like the freedom to go read any article or opinion I wish to. *My rights are more important to me than politics* and I would hope everyone here felt the same way. As far as the search engines go, searches lead to many results and you choose from them. How about some PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY for something? Even a search lead me to something I didn't like I can choose to read it, ignore it, and search again. If your beliefs and stances on the issues are based entirely by what you read on Facebook or the 1st result on Google then you're a moron and no amount of censorship is going to help you anyways.
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posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 05:10 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: and14263
He won't last long. Drone assassination or something. Shame because America and the world is seeing positives. No matter how much people like to deny.




What positives are you talking about ?

My friends discuss politics now that a celebrity is king. That never happened before.

Although politics is futile and a sham so maybe that's a negative.

Or do you want me to post a statistic related to MAGA? Then you can high horse a beat down with a counter statistic? YawneeMcfknyawn.



posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 05:18 PM
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I'm never for more government regulation, but I would much rather see Trump take 'action' of the biased & censor happy social media platform than the socialist dem party start to prosecute ICE agents for doing their job to protect this country.



posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 07:09 PM
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originally posted by: and14263

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: and14263
He won't last long. Drone assassination or something. Shame because America and the world is seeing positives. No matter how much people like to deny.




What positives are you talking about ?

My friends discuss politics now that a celebrity is king. That never happened before.

Although politics is futile and a sham so maybe that's a negative.

Or do you want me to post a statistic related to MAGA? Then you can high horse a beat down with a counter statistic? YawneeMcfknyawn.






No just looking for a positive in your life or people you know. No statistics just an anecdotal story would be fine.



posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 10:19 PM
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a reply to: Jusvistn




the biased & censor happy social media platform


... did the same with Abby Martin and TeleSur. Atlantic Council, anyone?



"The threat level is orange!"

Let's scream for a bigger Nanny State and simply lobotomize ourselves now!



ICE agents for doing their job to protect this country.


... but then I found out that's actually Border Patrols job. What's ICE?




posted on Aug, 31 2018 @ 12:02 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

Poetic, i this turns and bites them. Long overdue, too. Far too much control in the hands of some of these media companies.



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