"I don't want to lose my programs"

I am tired of the laziness in this country and the fact that it is so widely accepted. Before I start this rant please let me say I think assistance programs are needed for a select few, who actually need them.

I used to volunteer for a church who's main mission was to help the homeless. (Sounds noble until you deal with those in charge of this place) I used to pick up a previous resident of the church who left 7 years prior, to take them to church. So we started a conversation that went in the direction of him finding a job. He said he had been looking and had turned down a couple offers. I asked why and his response "then I will start making too much and I'll miss out on my programs." What programs you ask.
Food stamps, housing assistance, Medicaid. WTF. You have a man more than capable of working to support him self who chooses not to because he is comfortable with being taken care of.

I don't understand how people get away with this's. One of my other favorites are people who are on ss for stuff like bipolar, I have bipolar and it has been a hell of a ride. But I still work for what I have. People are taking advantage of the system and they need to be stopped. Why can't we mandate that if you are a part of these programs (and are physically and mentally able) to look for work or provide them a job that they have to work for like 20 hours a week. Why can't we start giving these people who were brought up with the system the training needed to join the work force.

I'm just tired of my taxes going to feeding and housing the lazy. (Again so no one can twist this around. Social programs are good for those who truly need them.)

a reply to: Somethingsamiss

Some folks got no shame is all. You could have a job for every person alive and you will have 10% who would not work for no love nor money.
I am pretty sure those benefits are a tiny part of the budget, but yeah man....I get where you are coming from. It's principalities!!

I was working IT for a Church out here a few years back and overheard a heated conversation about a guy demanding the church buy him a car as they do once or twice a year for destitute families.

The pastor/clerk kept repeating to him that theres no proof that he cant work or save money, though he did not deny having a solid halftime job, no family, and no disabilities.

"I need it!!"

Working needs to be worth it. Earning more just means taxed more. People aren't stupid. If they can have the same lifestyle doing nothing, they will.

Lower tax, higher wage. Let people actually feel the benefit in working and they'll work.

a reply to: Butterfinger

MMMMM, don't even get me started on preachers getting paid. grrrrrrrrr.

originally posted by: Somethingsamiss
I am tired of the laziness in this country and the fact that it is so widely accepted. Before I start this rant please let me say I think assistance programs are needed for a select few, who actually need them.

I used to volunteer for a church who's main mission was to help the homeless. (Sounds noble until you deal with those in charge of this place) I used to pick up a previous resident of the church who left 7 years prior, to take them to church. So we started a conversation that went in the direction of him finding a job. He said he had been looking and had turned down a couple offers. I asked why and his response "then I will start making too much and I'll miss out on my programs." What programs you ask.
Food stamps, housing assistance, Medicaid. WTF. You have a man more than capable of working to support him self who chooses not to because he is comfortable with being taken care of.

I don't understand how people get away with this's. One of my other favorites are people who are on ss for stuff like bipolar, I have bipolar and it has been a hell of a ride. But I still work for what I have. People are taking advantage of the system and they need to be stopped. Why can't we mandate that if you are a part of these programs (and are physically and mentally able) to look for work or provide them a job that they have to work for like 20 hours a week. Why can't we start giving these people who were brought up with the system the training needed to join the work force.

I'm just tired of my taxes going to feeding and housing the lazy. (Again so no one can twist this around. Social programs are good for those who truly need them.)

A middle eastern couple live in a beautiful and expensive home on the most affluent and historic street in my city.

"You have a beautiful house" I said."Yes! Yes!" she replied in very broken English..."We LOVE A-mare-eek-a! They pay every-ting! Food, medical, house, assist-tan-ce..EVERYTHING!"

I couldn't ever afford to live and exist in her neighborhood with my wife...and we work really hard...it was upsetting.

Now I'm heading back to that area..its distressing...could work...but wont because they don't or wont assimilate into our culture, signs, traffic's laws...because they'd lose the $$$.

But they get all the benefits w/o reading English nor having to work. Assistance paperwork? That they read fine...
MS
EMT

a reply to: Somethingsamiss

One of my grown kids is severely bi-polar, completely blind in one eye and nearly blind in the other- and works 2 jobs. My other grown kid has a club foot and severe social anxiety- and also works. While what I tried to teach them growing up ended up being hit-and-miss as far as sticking one thing stuck with both of them: As long as you are still moving and breathing you can work! Don't expect anyone to support and take care of you but YOU!!!

a reply to: SlowNail

Reducing, if not eliminating, the benefits of laziness also reaches this end AND will facilitate lower taxes to boot!

a reply to: Somethingsamiss

If and when I run for office, this will be part of my platfor,=m.

Anyone who is incaapable of work do to severe ailment of disability should recieve benifits.

Anyone who gets put on a welfare program like this should be given a grace period of a certain lentgh (maybe a year) to be on it.

After that, you have to be actively searching for a job, including attending government job placement programs.

If you can not do that, then you will be required to clock in to a government center 20 to 40 hours a week where you will be required to read, or to learn to read.

If you cant do that, then you clock in and just sit there.

I have a feeling if people were forced to clock in for these benefits, even if its doing nothing, the boredom would convince them to get jobs.

Oh, and while we are at it, lets end the corporate welfare as well, no more too big too fail.

a reply to: Somethingsamiss

Part of the problem is that the programs are designed to be a trap.

There is no gradual cutting down of assistance as you become more capable of taking care of yourself. As soon as you make one single cent above a certain threshold, you are completely cut off of all aid.

Sometimes, that's just not a realistic position to be in for the person involved. What you're losing is way more than what you'd have to try to cover for that loss ... so people stay trapped on assistance because they can't get past that gap.

Although in principle, I certainly agree with you. People should be encouraged to get off assistance and the best way to do that would be to structure programs to wean them off.

a reply to: Somethingsamiss

Let lazy people be lazy I say, it gives reasons for people to feel better about themselves so they can say to their spouse or children 'if you don't study hard you'll end up like him.'

I'm crazy, trust me i've had brain scans and yet there is no general consensus on why i'm messed up...think of me like Sheldon Cooper from Big Bang Theoryexcept better looking and more unstable. But am I lazy? no. Before my sickly neighbor passed i'd detail his car and mow his lawn, and I mow and maintain a friend of mines lawn as he has osteoperosis, Also i've donated thousands of dollars to charity.

But I will admit that I do "procrastinate" but that is no excuse for not doing my part.Sure it's hard when you imagine having conversations with friends who aren't there and you have panic attacks in the shower or get so depressed you stare at a wall in the fetal position for hours, but faking that torment for your own benefit is so not kosher.

a reply to: Somethingsamiss

I had to use Snap once when in need. It helped and I hope it gets others out of a jam

But I never looked at it as a permanent solution.

Now I drink J&B and have filet mignon when I please.

Do people have the same privilege on programs? Am I doing it wrong??

I've always been highly motivated to have my independence though.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Increase public welfare benefits, it's corporate welfare that needs to go. Maybe even a universal income.

originally posted by: SlowNail
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Increase public welfare benefits, it's corporate welfare that needs to go. Maybe even a universal income.

That's the wrong approach.

If you are teaching people to do without, then giving everyone a base does the opposite.

originally posted by: NarcolepticBuddha
a reply to: Somethingsamiss

I had to use Snap once when in need. It helped and I hope it gets others out of a jam

But I never looked at it as a permanent solution.

Now I drink J&B and have filet mignon when I please.

Do people have the same privilege on programs? Am I doing it wrong??

I've always been highly motivated to have my independence though.

I was breifly on snap as well.

There is no shame in needing help sometimes.

And I have no problem even with people taking a ittle more time on snap than they would elsewhise need, I am nor tough guy about it.

But the idea should be to get people working. So the energy should be put into helping people that way. And those that are unwilling to try work lose their benefits, unless their condition is so bad they can not work.

At which point, my plan to ensure they are not scamming the system is provide a nice comfortable place for them to clock in and read all day.

originally posted by: Grambler

But the idea should be to get people working.

Can't tell you the number of conversations I've heard or overheard of employees complaining they're working too much to keep their benefits (that's the friggin' point you jackwagons!)

That's when I turn around to management and step in to work those extra hours people complain about...and that's all it takes really...

Sorry, but I will not be beholden to government dependency; the less I have to do with .gov, the better.

originally posted by: NarcolepticBuddha

originally posted by: Grambler

But the idea should be to get people working.

Can't tell you the number of conversations I've heard or overheard of employees complaining they're working too much to keep their benefits (that's the friggin' point you jackwagons!)

That's when I turn around to management and step in to work those extra hours people complain about...and that's all it takes really...

Sorry, but I will not be beholden to government dependency; the less I have to do with .gov, the better.

I know this woman who my mom helps do her taxes.

She was working at a gas station getting about 20 hours a week.

She tells my mom all excited one day that she is excited because the gas station wants her to go full time and work 40 hours a week.

SO a couple weeks later, my mom asks her how she like working fulltime.

The woman says she turned down the offer and stayed part time, because she found out her SNAP benefits would be cut if she made any more money.

Thats the people that are a problem.

But when you have a system that rewards this type of behavior, its inevitable that people will abuse it.

a reply to: Grambler

Dayum! A full time job AND a free meal ticket?

Yeah I'd be pretty ecstatic too

originally posted by: SlowNail
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Increase public welfare benefits, it's corporate welfare that needs to go. Maybe even a universal income.

Why in the blue hell would you ever consider that? Were you not paying attention as every socialist nation on Earth collapsed under the weight of socialism's easily predictable failure? Humans are, by nature, lazy... give it to them for free and they'll remain perfectly happy sitting on their asses and taking it from others. Stop giving them anything and they will have one of 2 options, both equally corrective in the grand scheme of things
1. Get off their ass and earn their own living to feed, clothe, and entertain themselves.
2. Remain on their ass and die.

I adhered to creating a system where their is an inner court of society who drink wine and enjpy sport and sacrifice with their shell and star logos. These elites make up the 1%.

Then a middle class whose job is to administer the poor class. The middle class duty is to ensure the poor can never get to speak or contact the elites. So say 20% are middle class.

Then the remained which is about 80% are the poor who slave for a living.

The poor then subdivide into 66,6% actually doing the hard work and 13.333% on social welfare.

The social welfare system must be humane system. To do this it must provide them unlucky not to have the ability to find a job what they like, all the comforts and necessities of life.

Hold on! this is the system of western society. So if the elites can sit on their asses and enjoy good life why can the people on social welfare. No more hypocrisy please.