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Iran says it has full control of Gulf, U.S. Navy does not belong there

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posted on Aug, 27 2018 @ 03:00 PM
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The US sailed into Iranian waters and shot down a commercial Iranian airliner. Nothing happened. This is all Iran tough talk with nothing behind it.




posted on Aug, 27 2018 @ 03:20 PM
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originally posted by: roadgravel
The US sailed into Iranian waters and shot down a commercial Iranian airliner. Nothing happened. This is all Iran tough talk with nothing behind it.

Really is that how it happened? It didn’t have anything to do with anti-shipping missle threats from Iran and Iraq? It wasn’t in international waters? We did violate their waters during some of the retaliatory strikes but not when the airliner was struck. Try again next time.
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posted on Aug, 27 2018 @ 03:22 PM
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a reply to: BigDave-AR

Hey, like I implied, we won. Iran threats are meaningless.

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In 1992, four years after the event, Adm. Crowe admitted on ABC’s Nightline that the Vincennes was in Iranian waters at the time it shot down the plane.

Back in 1988, he and others had said that the ship was in international waters.

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posted on Aug, 27 2018 @ 03:23 PM
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a reply to: RadioRobert


Neither party has agreed to place itself under external jurisdiction regarding it.


Which makes it seem pretty much irrelevant to me.

To a simple person like myself it all seems to be a lot of legalese serving to confuse and allowing both the US and Iran to maintain an atmosphere of mutual distrust and destabilising a volatile region.

Whose interests this is in we can only guess.



posted on Aug, 27 2018 @ 03:27 PM
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a reply to: Freeborn

And you think that mistrust would disappear if both ratified UNCLOS as you've thrice implied? That's a ridiculous talking point, I'm sorry. I'm sure you don't actually believe that because you seem reasonably bright and type out complete sentences.



posted on Aug, 27 2018 @ 03:28 PM
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originally posted by: roadgravel
The US sailed into Iranian waters and shot down a commercial Iranian airliner. Nothing happened. This is all Iran tough talk with nothing behind it.
At this point no-one says a word – no government reaction, no media reaction. They are hoping Iran will respond , at which point trigger everybody – microphones everywhere....Media, off you go!!!
they bomb the crap out of the place, slaughter masses of people, destroy cities.
The tribal wars for oil.



posted on Aug, 27 2018 @ 03:38 PM
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What's good for the goose in international waters is good for the gander, right?

We should have no room to bitch when Russia, Iran, etc decides they're in the right to park it near the US in international water, too.

Frankly, I don't think we need to be anywhere near Iran, it does us no good to be chest thumping just this side of the line.



posted on Aug, 27 2018 @ 03:41 PM
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a reply to: RadioRobert



And you think that mistrust would disappear if both ratified UNCLOS as you've thrice implied?


Not at all.
My original point was in response to a post made by another member.

I get the impression that neither the US or Iran are really interested in resolving some of their issues at present and it serves both of their respective interests to maintain the status quo.



...... because you seem reasonably bright and type out complete sentences.


The beauty of the internet, it can be so misleading!



posted on Aug, 27 2018 @ 03:43 PM
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originally posted by: Nyiah
What's good for the goose in international waters is good for the gander, right?

We should have no room to bitch when Russia, Iran, etc decides they're in the right to park it near the US in international water, too.


Russia and China do this all the time. Other nations, too, but usually Russia.



posted on Aug, 27 2018 @ 03:45 PM
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originally posted by: Freeborn

The beauty of the internet, it can be so misleading!


Ha!




posted on Aug, 27 2018 @ 04:00 PM
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OP......lol. that is all.



posted on Aug, 27 2018 @ 04:07 PM
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a reply to: roadgravel

That wasn't exactly what I meaning. Iran or rather ANY military cannot be completely ignored. Yes the US has the strongest military in the world, but it has been used non stop since 9/11 and the funding has not been there for a majority of it. Food for thought.



posted on Aug, 27 2018 @ 04:09 PM
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Another George Carlin analysis true to its name and circumstance:

Intimidation



posted on Aug, 27 2018 @ 04:21 PM
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a reply to: Grimmley

True. I was pushing buttons in the thread. I think many people take the ability of the military for granted. The day may come when it turns out less then expected. Look at the fiasco on 9-11. The collisions of Navy ships in the Pacific waters. Stuff doesn't always go as planned. I hope the military doesn't underestimate it's would be foes.



posted on Aug, 27 2018 @ 04:55 PM
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originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: BigDave-AR

Hey, like I implied, we won. Iran threats are meaningless.

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In 1992, four years after the event, Adm. Crowe admitted on ABC’s Nightline that the Vincennes was in Iranian waters at the time it shot down the plane.

Back in 1988, he and others had said that the ship was in international waters.

You do see how I would see the hyperbolic broad strokes looked a little suspect no? And I’m gonna brush up but if the ship was escorting a vessel through Iranian waters it was legal under freedom of navigation, it was merely a SNAFU that unfortunately got innocents killed but he could have easily been one of the Iraqi passenger jets equipped with the Exocet ASM.



posted on Aug, 27 2018 @ 05:07 PM
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a reply to: BigDave-AR

Do check it out.



posted on Aug, 27 2018 @ 05:53 PM
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a reply to: Freeborn

...thank you, I was aware that neither of the two countries, though they are signatories, have ratified the accord.


The US does abide by it, for the most part, however. I've no idea why it's not been ratified, other than politics.

The Straits of Hormuz are, however, considered by the vast majority of nations to be international waters. Were Iran so stupid as to attempt, or Oman, for that matter, to close the straits...bad things would happen. Almost immediately.

As with the islands that China is attempting to foist off as sovereign territory, even nations who haven't signed on, or ratified the signing, will not support any such attempt.



posted on Aug, 27 2018 @ 06:38 PM
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Given the internal problems of Iran, this is just a "look at the Great Satan" moment trying to distract the masses.



posted on Aug, 27 2018 @ 09:17 PM
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a reply to: TheJesuit

Bluster.



posted on Aug, 27 2018 @ 09:42 PM
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They tend to forget we took Baghdad swiftly and Saddam had the largest military in the Middle East. The Iranians don't even have an Air Force other than mock-ups, which is what most of their military consists of, welded together hot water heaters and bathtubs.... OPERATION FLACID IMPALER from the Ole Ayatoldyah is a non-starter. Regardless, Sand People can't shoot for sh*t!!! Training their Special Forces is like Special Olympics Gymnastics....I don't miss it ta'll. Let it Burn.

a reply to: TheJesuit


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