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What do you call the black South African governement

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posted on Aug, 28 2018 @ 09:59 AM
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a reply to: SocratesJohnson

Yes it's fascist the ones in charge now are not going to except any Caucasian people there because they want all that land and riches underneath. People thing the people in charge are the indigenous people of that region they are not . The land in that country is not conducive to traditional African forms of agriculture so when the settlers arrived their was no indigenous people living their. What did happen is that wholes in the north saw this country prospering and they decided to take for themselves. I am not saying the former Caucasian gov and their policies of apartheid and other nefarious things were ok they were not, but those who were in power left because they knew once the ones from the north took over they were going to fall back on the tried and true African method take what you want and damn the rest and if people there kill them.

If you want to fix problems in south Africa then you need to get sale of rubbers diamonds classified as conflict diamonds and trading in them stopped then rubbers will get off their butts and stop the nonsense.




posted on Aug, 28 2018 @ 02:43 PM
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a reply to: proteus33

Again that's Zombie lie, there were ppl who practiced mixed agriculture living there ,one of the oldest iron aged settlements in that part of Africa was called The Kingdom of Mapungubwe (1075–1220) a probable forerunner to Zimbabwe who built stone settlements.
en.m.wikipedia.org...



posted on Aug, 28 2018 @ 07:20 PM
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originally posted by: SailorJerry

originally posted by: SirHardHarry
a reply to: DBCowboy



The US should stop all foreign aid to any country that does not adhere to even a basic fundamental principle of human rights.


If this includes Israel, I'm in.


If you want to implement such a thing how bout we do it based on facts instead of partisan and political bs?

Even by UN standards israels human rights ranking is higher considerably than Africa and Saudi


I think you mean Israel's human rights' violations (insofar as Palestine is concerned).



posted on Aug, 28 2018 @ 07:21 PM
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originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: SirHardHarry

Israel is basically doing the same thing with their nation-state laws, and the USA funds them, and Trump supports them

let's be consistent


No argument from me there.



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 12:09 AM
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a reply to: SocratesJohnson



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 05:30 AM
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The South African government is illegitimate.
Their political ideas are completely un-origional, collectivist BS.
They are corrupt to the core, and have been caught in a plethora of lies and self enrichment.
They are negligently incompetent, and now that they have destroyed a functioning country through blatant and relentless looting, they will do anything to project the blame for their pathetic attempt at governance/criminality on to others. They are very dangerous and deceitful and will resort to necklacing the people they pretend to represent if the loose support.

The fact that they lost control of all the large metros in the last election is what is fueling their populist stance. They know they do not have the capacity to effectively govern a modern economy, and their attitude is "If we can't do it, no one can". They have a historical 'strategy' of making situations un-govenable, which is all they really know how to do.
Terrifyingly they then have the power to declare a state of emergency and implement marshal law.

Even if their current marxists policies of expropriation had merit, they would totally f*ck it up, like they have with every other state run enterprise. After all, even 'competent communists' routinely f*ck it up.

The mixture of Magic, marxism and African ethno nationalism (racism) is truly terrifying, especially when coupled with complete incompetence.
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posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 07:06 AM
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a reply to: SocratesJohnson

It's sad the way this country went



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 05:48 PM
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originally posted by: GreenGunther

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: pointessa
a reply to: Spider879

Did the whites take the land or did they negotiate for it? Do you know anything about the history of South Africa. Are you aware that the Bantu tribe aggressively stole the land from the Khoisan population. Shouldn't the land go to the Khoisan if we are really looking for justice ? We want it to be fair, right.



Wait there! Southern Africa including modern South Africa was developed as a modern state by the British, for that reason if anybody has rights to that land it is Great Britain and needs returning to us.


The Khoi-San are the only people deserving of land in SA.
The Dutch brought the white man to South Africa. The English still need to pay for what they did, over here, and in many other countries.

We've been here since the late 1600's.
This place is unique and irreplaceable..


South Africa would be a forgotten insignificant rural backwater if it wasn't for the British. It would be backwards Boer and Bantu farmers nothing more. Great Britain developed the cities and the commerce, indeed we opened up the industrial potential of southern Africa including the mines, coal, diamonds, gold and all the associated industries plus the great cities like Cape Town and Johannesburg. What did the Boers or Bantus do in this process? Sure they both provided the manpower the backbone sweat of labour for this development, but when it came to financing and organising the development of a modern industrialised state the British along with the Litvak Lithuanian arrivals alongside them made South Africa what it is today.



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 06:31 PM
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Ever notice how Africa looks like a skull? Some may say we are all just maggots on a corpse swimming around it in a mud puddle of the parents tears not knowing who struck their child in the head with a rock we call the moon.

Anyways that skull looking portion still has that ugly thing called slavery clenched in the teeth and has not had a good flossing out since the 1300's



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 08:28 PM
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a reply to: GreenGunther


I really wish I'd noticed your post earlier.



The Khoi-San are the only people deserving of land in SA.


Why?
What makes them so deserving?



The Dutch brought the white man to South Africa.


So what?



The English still need to pay for what they did, over here, and in many other countries.


Bollocks!
I've benefitted nothing and you wont get one single nut from me or anyone else.

Get off your lazy arse and do something yourself instead of crying a river over perceived past injustices.
No-one owes you or anyone else anything.

Absolutely pathetic.

Anything I have I got myself, no #ing white privilege, nothing.

Get that great big chip off your shoulder and do something yourself!



We've been here since the late 1600's.


Wow.
Not even a blinking of an eye.

And what have you done with it?

Absolutely # all!!



This place is unique and irreplaceable..


As is everywhere.

Your post epitomises everything that is wrong with South Africa!


edit on 29/8/18 by Freeborn because: typo



posted on Aug, 29 2018 @ 10:51 PM
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a reply to: SocratesJohnson

Alt right?... Why is this continuous attempt by some to claim that when LEFT-WINGERS turn militants that they must be "alt-right"?... They are socialists/communists, not "alt-right..."

As for your question of "are they racist"? The majority of them who are partaking in crimes against whites for their skin color are racist, just like during apartheid there was racism against the blacks in SA. This is sad, because those black people who are partaking on these crimes think "this is payback", but what will happen is that their crimes against white is going to raise a new generation of white kids who will hate blacks because "their father, their uncle/family member" was murdered by blacks. This will only feed to the cycle of murder and misery plaguing SA among other countries.
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posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 04:19 AM
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originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
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South Africa would be a forgotten insignificant rural backwater if it wasn't for the British. It would be backwards Boer and Bantu farmers nothing more. Great Britain developed the cities and the commerce, indeed we opened up the industrial potential of southern Africa including the mines, coal, diamonds, gold and all the associated industries plus the great cities like Cape Town and Johannesburg. What did the Boers or Bantus do in this process? Sure they both provided the manpower the backbone sweat of labour for this development, but when it came to financing and organising the development of a modern industrialised state the British along with the Litvak Lithuanian arrivals alongside them made South Africa what it is today.


Haha. That's quite entertaining. I think what you meant to say was South Africa was a powerful country, despite Great Britain's influence...

(For the purpose of this argument we won't even mention Britain's role in establishing Apartheid.)

The British initially had little interest in the Cape Colony, other than as a strategically located port. The only reason they became involved in the Cape colony was because of their constant squabbles with the French. They didn't want the colony to fall into the hands of the French, after the French invasion of the Netherlands. It was because of the British oppression that the Boers started the Great Trek inland. The British wanted to convert the Cape Colony into a British settlement. The Boers weren't having any of it.

(By the way, the first explorer to go inland was Dutch - Robert Jacob Gordon - from 1780 to 1795. That's 70 years before David Livingstone and William Oswell bothered to make the effort.)

The Boers established Republics inland, not the English. Two of the Boer Republics achieved international recognition and complete independence: the South African Republic (ZAR/Transvaal) and the Orange Free State. As always the British didn't like people not bowing to the crown, so they took on the Boers in several wars and ultimately won. The British brought in troops from Southern Rhodesia, Canada, India, Australia and New Zealand and the Boers were basically on their own, so the result was inevitable. The Boers were vastly outnumbered but their Guerrilla tactics were so successful that the British had to resort to "dirty tactics" like scorched earth, concentration camps, etc. which would today be considered war crimes. The Boers didn't have much of a choice other than to surrender for the sake of women and children. Point being that the Boers did very well for themselves despite having to constantly square off against Great Britain. They did so with their own resources (and whatever they took by force from the British soldiers) - definitely not funded by Britain.

The first diamond? Was discovered by Erasmus Stephanus Jacobs (a Dutch boy) in 1867. The De Beers brothers (Dutch) discovered diamonds on their land, which they sold and was ultimately the reason for the Diamond Rush in what is now known as Kimberley. Cecil Rhodes (founder of De Beers) used his own money to start the company. Barney Barnato came from England - penniless and worked his way up to become a millionaire within 10 years. Thomas Cullinan was born in South Africa. He started out as a bricklayer and having saved up enough money, he became a prospector. Ernest Oppenheimer was German. And so on. Point being - although English people were diamond magnates, broadly speaking Britain had no direct influence on the diamond industry initially. (And speaking off - any chance we could have the Cullinan Diamond back please? Asking for a friend.)

Gold? There were several discoveries of gold across the country. Explorer and prospector Jan Gerrit Bantjes (Dutch) was the first and original discoverer of a Witwatersrand gold reef in June 1884 having prospected the area since the early 1880s. George Harrison (English) came on the scene and the British attempted to give credit for the discovery to the Anglo sector in an attempt to justify claiming the Witwatersrand fields as British. This unfortunate move was one of the factors leading to the Anglo Boer War of 1899-1902. As it went, Harrison declared his claim with the then-government of the Suid Afrikaanse Republiek (ZAR), and the area was pronounced open. His discovery is recorded in history with a monument where the original gold outcrop is believed to be located, and a park named in his honour. Ironically, Harrison is believed to have sold his claim for less than 10 Pounds before leaving the area. The monument in fact should have gone to Bantjes. There is a much longer history of how the British tried to get their hands on the gold fields and how then President Paul Kruger tried to prevent foreigners from outnumbering the Boers. (See also The Jameson Raid.)
Ferreirasdorp was to be Johannesburg. It was the property of Colonel Ignatius Ferreira (a Boer) and he started the mining camp. Again, Rhodes arrived at the scene in an attempt to make a dime.
The Boers were doing just fine on their own before Rhodes (the British) arrived on the scene. Cecil John Rhodes, founder of De Beers and Anglo-American, played a major role in getting international investments to develop the mining industry. Did he not have the backing of the British crown to take the mining rights by force – who knows how it would’ve turned out…

During the time of sanctions against (the by then independent) South Africa, South Africans were left to fend for themselves. (It may be mentioned that Britain initially did not take up economic sanctions against South Africa.) There were several trade embargoes against SA (including oil and arms). It is during this time that South Africans came up with some astonishing technological advancements. They developed their own ‘Oil-to-liquid’ technology (see SASOL) and synthetic fuels.
South Africa has produced a variety of significant weapons, vehicles and planes for its own uses as well as for international export. (See Armscor and Denel). You may be familiar with the Ratel - the first wheeled infantry fighting vehicle, the Casspir, the G6 Rhino, the Rooikat (earlier the Eland), G6 Rhino, the Atlas Oryx and its brother, the Rooivalk (AH-2), The NTW-20, The Atlas Cheetah to name but a few. SA also had their own weapons of mass destruction and at least 6 nuclear missiles.
I can go on and on, but the point is, we did just fine without British money or investment.

I hardly scratched the surface of the history between Great Britain and the Boers (and Bantus), but to answer your question: “What did the Boers or Bantus do in this process?”
They built this country from scratch whilst having to constantly fend off the greedy British with a sharp stick.
It cannot be denied that Great Britain (especially Cecil John Rhodes) had a big impact on South Africa in many industries, law and commerce, just like there are Roman influences in the British socio-economic background. But to claim that Great Britain built and developed South Africa is a joke. I have no doubt that in British schools they teach the kids that Britain is the hero in South African history (the victor writes the history books after all), but the truth couldn’t be further from that.

Some advice: When you come to South Africa and have a drink in a bar, don’t repeat what you just said. The nearest Boer will rip your arm off and beat you with it.

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posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 05:30 AM
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originally posted by: Freeborn
Bollocks!
I've benefitted nothing and you wont get one single nut from me or anyone else.

Get off your lazy arse and do something yourself instead of crying a river over perceived past injustices.
No-one owes you or anyone else anything.

Absolutely pathetic.

Anything I have I got myself, no #ing white privilege, nothing.

Get that great big chip off your shoulder and do something yourself!


I think what GreenGunther means with "The English still need to pay for what they did, over here" refers to what happened during the Boer Wars. We are all quite familiar with what happened in concentration camps during the Holocaust and we can all agree that it was awful. However, little is ever said about what the British did 1900–1902. Lord Kitchener was basically England's version of Hitler and committed horrible atrocities under his "Scorched Earth" policy in an underhanded attempt to stop the Boer Commandos. (And Kitchener was pretty successful with this strategy.) Under his command the British destroyed crops and slaughtered livestock, burned down homesteads and farms, poisoned wells and salted fields. Women, children and the elderly were forcibly moved into concentration camps. There were a total of 45 tented camps built for Boer internees and about 64 for blacks. Of the 28,000 Boer men captured as prisoners of war, 25 000 were sent overseas. The vast majority of Boers remaining in the local camps were women and children. At least 42,000 people died in them. By far the majority of the fatalities were children. Emily Hobhouse called it a genocide (which it pretty much was).

There's a lot of history to be read. Go ahead, Google pictures of the concentration camps. You'll find little difference between them and pictures of Nazi concentration camps.

The point is the British never officially apologized for the atrocities and innocent deaths. The older generation of South African Boers (read Afrikaners) still have a deep-rooted hate for the British. Here and there you'll find a younger person that carries that hate, but it has mostly died out. New people to hate and blame these days.

You are quite right that you (or any other Brit) neither benefited or had anything to do with those war crimes, and I agree that no living person can be held responsible. Her Majesty can - at the very least - just slip a "Sorry, they were damn bastards back then. The Boers would have won, if we didn't play dirty." somewhere in a speech, and everyone can go on with their lives. Even if it is just to stroke some egos.

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posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 06:10 AM
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a reply to: Gemwolf

I shouldn't post when I've just got in from the pub.

I stand by what I said, but I could have been less confrontational and possibly more polite.

I genuinely got the impression, and still do after re-reading the post, that he / she expects something for nothing and has the huge chip on their shoulder that so many seem to have.

The collective 'we' seem to be falling into the trap of judging yesterdays actions by todays morals and standards.
That gives a false perspective on things and with the current influence of the PC Brigade and the increased sensitivities of Generation Snowflake we'll soon need to publicly flagellate ourselves in atonement for the alleged sins and evil deeds of our forefathers.

I acknowledge that some heinous crimes were committed in the name of Empire - they always have been throughout history, look at some of the excesses of the various empires in the Americas or China or The Mongols, hell, even the Spanish and other Europeans were generally far worse than the British when judged by the standards of the day- but we aren't allowed to mention any of the positives.

The Boers are a strong and proud people and I respect what they have achieved.
To have it taken away in such a fashion is truly despicable.

That the international community are by and large not prepared to do anything about it is criminal.



posted on Aug, 30 2018 @ 10:29 AM
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a reply to: Gemwolf

Fantastic read there Gemwolf and very educational to someone looking to move to South Africa in the next few years
Been on Pam Golding's site a few minutes ago just before checking ATS today. I was just being a little over the top in giving Britain and the Litvaks credit for developing what has become the most advanced region of Africa, sure everybody played a part over the centuries and Britain played its part (the major contributor no doubt
)but everybody has toiled and invested back i in the day to make what we see today.

It does make one wonder what would have happened had the British let the Boers get on with things in the Cape, I expect some other European power would have taken interest and possibly control of that region at some point down the line. But there might still be a very inwards looking highly religious rural backwater centred around farming with little contact with the outside world.

I take your recommendation on keeping such thought to myself in a public house full of Boers. Having experienced exactly the same just over the border in Swakupmund Namibia and taking on a pub full of Boers who came in from the bushes all day long over games of pool I can honestly agree totally with what you just advised. Not sure if the SA Boers are of the same persuasion as the Namibian Boers but they seem to have the Boer Wars playing on their minds after a few rounds of drinks and pool.

Comments such as "I'll never forgive your people for what they did to my people" and "MY FAMILY DROVE THEIR CATTLE HALF WAY THROUGH AFRICA ALL THE WAY TO ANGOLA BEFORE SETTLING IN NAMIBIA TO ESCAPE YOU BRITS AND YOU STILL KEEP COMING."

They make you buy the drinks if you lose the game and we lost virtually every single game of pool cost us a flippin fortune lol and they got a bit scary towards the end but you take these things when you know what evil our government did to their decendants and we gave it back too all in good taste but with a respect for them.

It's quite ironic what you commented on to another forum member about the camps. One of those Swakopmund Boers recounted what was in his great grandmother's diary that he has to this day and it stayed with me for life. The hellish treatment of the women and children was reprehensible a total crime on humanity perpetrated by the British concentration camp guards, what he told us was no different to what happened at Belsen and it is a stain on Great Britain to this day. The cruelty of the British guards if what he told me from that account in the diary is true is shameful beyond belief, they were women and children............ The destruction of the families to eliminate the Boer society is hard to accept as somebody born in Britain but thank heavens we are where we are now and have moved on from that period. The Boer republics fielded the most effective fighting forces that the greatest Empire the world has ever seen and at the peak of its power had faced off in a hundred years. Britain had to win that one to maintain its superiority in the eyes of the world and the only way it succeeded was by doing what it did. A war crime. An apology to the Boers is owed for sure
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posted on Aug, 31 2018 @ 10:35 AM
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originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: GreenGunther


I really wish I'd noticed your post earlier.



The Khoi-San are the only people deserving of land in SA.


Why?
What makes them so deserving?



The Dutch brought the white man to South Africa.


So what?



The English still need to pay for what they did, over here, and in many other countries.


Bollocks!
I've benefitted nothing and you wont get one single nut from me or anyone else.

Get off your lazy arse and do something yourself instead of crying a river over perceived past injustices.
No-one owes you or anyone else anything.

Absolutely pathetic.

Anything I have I got myself, no #ing white privilege, nothing.

Get that great big chip off your shoulder and do something yourself!



We've been here since the late 1600's.


Wow.
Not even a blinking of an eye.

And what have you done with it?

Absolutely # all!!



This place is unique and irreplaceable..


As is everywhere.

Your post epitomises everything that is wrong with South Africa!



I don’t think I’ve gotten a reply so lacking in perspective before.
It deserves no rebuttle.

Good day sir.



posted on Sep, 2 2018 @ 12:31 PM
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Trace the "Dagon" tribe that chased the Pygmy out after they could speak pig Latin... the Picts were in Ireland which were the refuge as those smarter due to be taken on ships as crew a native is a native when the dags or "dog" tribe took the pygmies place Scotland was still trying to chase "snakes"(blood lines) out of Saint Petersburg cathedral... why because of the Moors... the Moors was the Eastern gate right up through that place called the very same today... putting two and two together... meant ships of the desert. Dromedary camels meant two humps or a saddle one could not fall off of however a fake hump could become a smugglers den. Especially where the smaller tribe needed to go on route the payment loaded back filled with something else.

Yes human trafficking sometimes meant safe passage not slavery... buying one's way in and out of it? Well, just see tribalism meeting Catholicism and the pathways around it in such films as the exorcist.

Mind you there are a lot of cool; underground churches in desert regions where water would trickle through, instead of all of that aqueduct business. Making a secret oasis also meant fake rocks or a tent with a hatch and someone sitting on the lid playing swami for "Ali Babba and the forty thieves" slight of hand slight of ass when one can sit there and not move.

Enter the wax work when gas decided Saint Valentine was all the rage causing a massacre without colored doors of perception for all of that drunk on rye when it grew fur.

Yeah Switzerland knew all about it; being grains for gains ergot-ism became a holy sepulture where people got bored of the same old stories... then asked whats new. Giant cylinders and stars fighting in the sky my lord... quick run and tell the king.

This is why medieval art passed that precursor to Abbey Hoffmans bike ride on in art. Why was the African "Mary" black? She never lived below ground for a dark knight of the sole... meaning her feet never touched ground... ever. That's what god save the queen was all about.

How can an immortal know a beloved? By taste of the eye, the ear, the nose, the mouth, and by touch... of the tip of the tongue as the crow flies... flies out of the mouth? Baby feeds bird or KA! in another culture PECT! will do... however that is children of the corn business. And well Romulus slaying Remus meant volumes could be written out of those ashes... when they figured out who and or what was poisoning the well.

When it hit seaweed? It was time for gun powder... or a real cause to celebrate. A confederate never had a note because it was wrong to con the fed meaning Federales were the federalists after the whigs went out. Enter of course the war of 1812 while France said Bastille day better plant a tree when one cannot be lost in a forest... tobacco was in high demand.

Wanna know why Christains want to say the world is only six thousand years old? Thats as far back as the story could go before a desert thunderstorm made green glass or otherwise known as Peridot... that just meant the "Lion" was in Judah. That jewish "chewish" that put silver in his mouth in the form of teeth.

Lets just say Queen Anne thought Black Beard such a silver tongued devil? Three sheets to the wind meant better not fly a jolly over old roger without a bottle to bust a new bow on.

That just meant a ship had sailed for old Jack... call it scotch? And you don't know what the hell Spanish moss is... when you're that hard up for a taste of "Home".

The Ankara device was all heart in making sure two could become one before that Southern Cross ever hit the sky full round.

Yes riddle not much rhyme to Rhine without a river... some "spirits" still haunt in those old ways. Best way to not lose one's mind is to not even know where to look for it. That just meant no bull by the horns when a ring had you by the nose... thats just old yak saying why patty so high?

Stock markets in Tibet meant wearing one if the orient didn't know what the hell express was... by the time five heads sat beneath her belt.

Speaking of ponies shets no joke like a jester playing silver bells wondering where that turtle was headed. It was terrestrial... I'm just saying jokes were to be had on those thus gone before where Darwin though he knew "species" sail around the horn of Africa enough? And you bloddy well knew that was the last unicorn you's ever can.

That just straightens out a different north and south in those same seas. No South beach meant too much rum to run from Jamaica without a chamber pot to piss in... if you can't flush a turd? Don't leave it in some old tub without a good bar of tickle my ivory... if it smells like burning hair? For Christs sakes! don't blame the rabbit when it is tea time!!! Teed off? Lol tent stake...

Anyhoo that's this bards tale from last nights sleep...

Poster replied too... your avatar was the prompt. Seeing the old scary meant no need for green fairy to play wormwood as turpintines know turpines and terrapin said where the hell did that fin come from? All I know is mosquito blew a torpedo...

lol

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