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Climate change denial strongly linked to right-wing nationalism

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posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 04:12 PM
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originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: Kharron

Left wing nationalism sounds a lot like Nazis.


If you think Nazis were anti-imperialist then sure. However, given that Nazi and Imperialism often go together in the same sentence, it would indicate you could not be more wrong.

It doesn't matter however, your goal wasn't to say something accurate, it was just to say something you liked.




posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 04:39 PM
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Actually remember all this....



posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 04:43 PM
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What we are witnessing are extremes. We have not even been recording accurately enough before 1850's. We have no idea what other Earth cycles exist. We witness extremes when peaks and troughs of many different cycles line up. Yea, we probably contribute a bit, but extremes are when we really notice them. Perhaps the next extreme will freeze our asses off. Then we will see that we really do not know # about how this planet works, again.



posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 04:48 PM
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a reply to: jrod


Then 'riddle Me this..." How is it that BigOil™ wants Uncle Suga to outfit defenses AGAINST this same subject?

apnews.com...


IF there is no "climate change" and it does NOT exist, then how could BigOil™ be looking for a hand-out?



posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 05:02 PM
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The sad part about all of this is that we can all live out our natural lives and nothing significant will change. People will still be people, going about their business. One lifetime is not that long, certainly not when compared to the timeframe in which climate takes to change.

I don't want to debate the politics of climate change, because it's a-political. We so readily seem to forget that we are just as dependent on the environment of this planet as any other species, to provide us with air to breathe clean water to drink and fertile earth to grow our food. Yet we are the only species on this planet who have a tremendous impact on the environment of this planet. This is absolutely undeniable and a stone cold fact. Now, we perhaps don't know the extend of our influence but I hope I'm not going out on a limb when I say it's not a very positive one.

Whatever we hope to learn and perhaps make right about the environment is all ex-post. Meaning after the fact. And that's a BIG problem, it's a HUGE problem. Because if we chose to ignore whaterever changes are in store(human or otherwise) and act accordingly there will come a time where we'd love to throw money at these problems to make them go away, but by then it will be too late. By the time we can all agree things are changing for the worst no amount of money is going to make things right. Thats a very sad scenario and while I hope this isn't true, human behaviour dictates it will. Short term, short sighted lack of consensus, limited resources and time.

This stuff goes beyond the blame game, goes beyond tree hugging hippies, goes beyond saving the wild life. This is basic survival in modern times. Self, and by self I mean the human race, preservation.
Of all the things we as a species have accomplished over the ages, to be wiped out by this, this soiling of our own nest, our only home and shelter. The only place where we can live, is just unacceptable.
We are straight up deneying future generations the chance to enjoy this beautiful life on this planet, and we should know better. But like I said, it's not urgent, not breaking, not yet. Can you imagine the headlines? "Breaking news! Global oxygen levels dropping at an alarming rate. Worlds oceans as good as empty except for the plastic."
Glad I won't be around to witness that clusterfudge



posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 05:23 PM
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I wish the people in this debate would start separating localized pollution from earth wide climate change. Lumping the 2 issues together is very dishonest.

The majority of people are very adamant against polluting the earth or even the local ecosystem. Just not so much about our ability to impact the planet's entire climate system. We are probably still infants in even understanding our weather patterns, much less even able to predict the climate 48 hours in advance, but for some reason we think we understand global heating/cooling trends.

Is the only way for the climate change money making machine continuance is to dishonestly link localized pollution with climate change? If they were honest, would their meager number of supporters drop further towards insignificance?



posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 05:27 PM
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a reply to: jrod

Yeah....I'm sure I'll get to that point eventually. But, I'm still kind of bogged down with radon denial, asbestos denial, fair election denial, fiat currency denial, heathen devil weed denial...lately, human trafficking denial, seems to be trending though...



posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 05:31 PM
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originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a new type of denial, about LOTS of things, is so hot right now...........


And they all have one thing in common: That thousands of people all over the world are "in on it" to keep the conspiracy from crumbling.



posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 05:36 PM
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originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: jrod

At this stage of the circus, I'd be more interested in seeing who believes the flat earth theory &/or the holographic/simulation universe theory......versus's their political ideology - Both those theories have convinced LOTS of folks that we are the Truman show and so a new type of denial, about LOTS of things, is so hot right now...........

Why will these 'things' just not go away from the ongoing human discussion about life?

Why do humans believe the things they believe?



Just ordered some X-Ray Specs, from the back page of a vintage Graphic Novel installment!

"See Thru Her Clothes!"

I can hardly wait!



posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 05:41 PM
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originally posted by: manuelram16
Actually remember all this....

This. If all these scientists are so damn sure then why are their predictions never even close to accurate on climate? It was cooling, then warming, now just "changing". Anyone who disagrees is demonized and ridiculed. Even the term "climate change denier" is crafted to make people who don't buy into their crap seem like evil Holocaust deniers.



posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 05:45 PM
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This is one of those rare times when the first paragraph of a news article actually matches the body.


With Chalmers University of Technology, Sweden, as a hub, the world’s first global research network into climate change denial has now been established. Building on a brand-new research publication showing the links between conservatism, xenophobia and climate change denial, the network will study how the growth of right-wing nationalism in Europe has contributed to an increase in climate change denial.


Let this sink in. A University of Technology. Are they studying ways to combat climate change? Are they compiling and analyzing climate change data? Nope. Their stated purpose, and body of the article supports this, is to find a way to say that anyone who doesn't buy the man-made climate change theory is a [insert code word for Nazi here].

One might think that a University of Technology would be looking to develop technological solutions to the problem. Instead, they are focused on name calling.

I would be very interested to know who is funding this project.



posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 05:45 PM
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originally posted by: six67seven
a reply to: jrod

Are you trying to link this article with the United States?

From your link:


With Chalmers University of Technology, Sweden, as a hub, the world’s first global research network into climate change denial has now been established. Building on a brand-new research publication showing the links between conservatism, xenophobia and climate change denial, the network will study how the growth of right-wing nationalism in Europe has contributed to an increase in climate change denial.


No part of their research has anything to do with the US. Just wondering then, what Ted Cruz has to do with this article & the research. He is a European right-wing nationalist?

What dimension is it?


This prolly splains the recent rioting in Sweden. No doubt it is socialists dissatisfied with the pending doom of our planet. Go Swedes!



posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 05:49 PM
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originally posted by: Muninn
This should be in the pit.


Naaaaah...they actually believe in this modern Danegeld. Be respectful of their beliefs!!!



posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 05:55 PM
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a reply to: jrod

from your link


international collaborative platform for research into climate change denial, Centre for Studies of Climate Change Denialism (CEFORCED), will be established,


thick on rhetoric, slim on facts

Next they'll link doubters to "moon landing hoax" believers.

The title left me skeptical I knew I would be wasting my time clicking on it.




posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 06:07 PM
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Texas is seeking at least $12 billion for the full coastal spine, with nearly all of it coming from public funds. Last month, the government fast-tracked an initial $3.9 billion for three separate, smaller storm barrier projects that would specifically protect oil facilities.

That followed Hurricane Harvey, which roared ashore last Aug. 25 and swamped Houston and parts of the coast, temporarily knocking out a quarter of the area’s oil refining capacity and causing average gasoline prices to jump 28 cents a gallon nationwide. Many Republicans argue that the Texas oil projects belong at the top of Washington’s spending list.

“Our overall economy, not only in Texas but in the entire country, is so much at risk from a high storm surge,” said Matt Sebesta, a Republican who as Brazoria County judge oversees a swath of Gulf Coast.

But the idea of taxpayers around the country paying to protect refineries worth billions, and in a state where top politicians still dispute climate change’s validity, doesn’t sit well with some.

“The oil and gas industry is getting a free ride,” said Brandt Mannchen, a member of the Sierra Club’s executive committee in Houston. “You don’t hear the industry making a peep about paying for any of this and why should they? There’s all this push like, ‘Please Senator Cornyn, Please Senator Cruz, we need money for this and that.’”



posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 06:14 PM
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a reply to: Dr UAE



elephant in the room


I agree entirely with the sentiment in your post, however, I do believe that there's actually an entire herd of the bastards aimlessly milling around waiting for people to talk about them.



posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 06:33 PM
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I don't get the lefts support for the whole climate change nonsense. Aren't they the ones pushing population control and management. Don't they want to kill off about 6.5 to 7 billion people. Seems to me they should be championing the destruction, if possible, to meet their new world order agenda.

The other big noise was suing states that had coal plants for polluting other states air but isn't California polluting other states air because they are letting fires burn. When will California be sued?
edit on 8/23/2018 by Bramble Iceshimmer because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 06:46 PM
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So I was reading about Cray supercomputers recently, kind of a left-field interest driven from a book that I was reading. I'm trying to find the quote, and I may be mis-remembering this particular point as it could be attributed to an earlier machine. That being said, I was reading about these supercomputers and the fastest machine dedicated to climate at 8 petaflops is a Cray XC40 that the UK Met Office utilizes for climate modeling and weather predictions, and this puts the time frame for accurate predictions at around 3 months.

That's its only function is climate modeling, versus the Summit machine (currently fastest in the world) that resides at the DOE in Oak Ridge, which will have a segment of its 200 petaflops dedicated to climate modeling. I would be really interested to see what what 200 petaflops would do for climate modeling, would it be useful for a year and a half?

I know, not quite on topic of political leaning meaning climate change denial. I would say that regardless of my political leaning that science isn't quite at the spot it should be in order to determine long term climate modeling in any meaningful fashion. I would also say that investing in clean and renewable energies, better battery storage tech, and everyone doing what part they can to not be a contributor to any possible human caused climate change, are all good things for the human race.
edit on 8/23/18 by Hypntick because: Clarity



posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 07:05 PM
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Heeeey I can fund a study that will show the exact opposite.

Al Gore tells us the sea levels will rise. Gee Al, why do you still own ocean front property then?



posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 08:05 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
That must make Climate change supporters ultra RIGHT WING nationalists.

Tell the world what they should be doing.

Controlling the air,land,water, and every resource there in.

Because you don't get any more totalitarian than that.

That would be the U.N.



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