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posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 07:27 PM
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originally posted by: darkbake
I don't think many liberals are for that congressional hush fund, either. I know I'm not.

Anyways, Trump is in trouble because of the way Stormy Daniels was paid off. It legitimately broke the law. Not much arguing that.

But according to the Federal Election Commission’s rules, campaign contributions and expenditures made after October 27, 2016 did not have to be disclosed until December 8. So if Trump could have put Daniels off just one more day, there would have been no public paper trail until a month after the election. And even then, the disclosed payment might not by itself expose the wrongdoing.





Maybe the law goes over you Republicans heads... it sure seems like you understand it when it is illegal immigrants or Hillary facing prosecution, though...


Wrong The current FEC chairman was on Mark Levin last night and clearly said it is not ever a campaign violation. Only would it be if Trump took it straight from the fund. A lawyer can pay it for his client without it being a campaign contribution. END OF STORY. FEC chairman Bradley Smith.


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posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 07:35 PM
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a reply to: Justoneman


I think you mean former FEC chairman, don't you? Is this what you're talking about?
www.thegatewaypundit.com...

Because that interview wasn't last night. It was in April.
Levin

April was quite a while before we've learned what we know now.

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posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 07:45 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: DBCowboy

The Congressional fund is used to settle sexual harrassment and other lawsuits. Not to keep people quiet. So it's quite different from campaign contributions. Neither Daniels or McDougal were suing Trump.



Are you aware the NDA is titled 'Confidential Settlement Agreement and Mutual Release; Assignment of Copyright and Non-Disparagement Agreement?'

You don't have to file a lawsuit to initiate a Settlement Agreement.



posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 07:49 PM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye


You don't have to file a lawsuit to initiate a Settlement Agreement.
Yes. I know.

But we're talking about the "hush fund" provided by the Office of Compliance, and suits brought by government employees against other government employees. Suits for sexual harassment, discrimination. That sort of thing.

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posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 08:13 PM
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a reply to: Justoneman

If Cohen wasn't guilty of a crime, why did he plead guilty? He's a lawyer, he should know the difference. In addition, the intent was clearly to influence the campaign.



posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 08:17 PM
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The entire political system in the US is basically a branch of the big banks,all of the bull# legislation and asinine topics of discussion are akin to switching chairs around on the Titanic.....



posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 08:19 PM
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originally posted by: darkbake
a reply to: Justoneman

If Cohen wasn't guilty of a crime, why did he plead guilty? He's a lawyer, he should know the difference. In addition, the intent was clearly to influence the campaign.


I heard it was because they were going to nail him on tax fraud otherwise which carries heavier penalties. He's saving himself jail time this way.



posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 08:20 PM
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originally posted by: darkbake
a reply to: Justoneman

If Cohen wasn't guilty of a crime, why did he plead guilty? He's a lawyer, he should know the difference. In addition, the intent was clearly to influence the campaign.


The threshold is it had to totally be ti influence the campaign.

Seeing as how trump was suing to keep stromy story from becoming public in 2011, it seems almost certain he had reasons other than the campaign to not want her story coming out.



posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 08:23 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

The threshold is it had to totally be ti influence the campaign.
That's one opinion.



Seeing as how trump was suing to keep stromy story from becoming public in 2011, it seems almost certain he had reasons other than the campaign to not want her story coming out.

And that's where the National Enquirer thing adds to the story. Why did they buy, but not publish, her story? Why were they reimbursed for the fee they paid for the story? By Trump? By check.

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posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 08:25 PM
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originally posted by: darkbake
a reply to: Justoneman

If Cohen wasn't guilty of a crime, why did he plead guilty? He's a lawyer, he should know the difference. In addition, the intent was clearly to influence the campaign.


That is the question no one on the right is answering.

His guilty plea speaks the strength of the case they have both in law and evidence and we haven't seen all the evidence yet if any at all. Once the Trump Supporters start to ask that question they can start to ponder what Trump's longtime friend and scandal squasher, the Head of the National Enquirer, needed immunity from. Then they should be asking what was so damming he flipped on trump and testified to Cohen's grand jury.

There is a lot we haven't seen yet IMO.



posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 08:28 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Grambler

The threshold is it had to totally be ti influence the campaign.
That's one opinion.



Seeing as how trump was suing to keep stromy story from becoming public in 2011, it seems almost certain he had reasons other than the campaign to not want her story coming out.

And that's where the National Enquirer thing adds to the story. Why did they buy, but not publish, her story? Why were they reimbursed for the fee they paid for the story? By Trump? By check.


well thats obvious, trump didnt want the story coming out.

That in no way proves the reason was for the campaign.



posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 08:32 PM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

Cohen plead guilty because he is guilty of a lot of crimes.

his plea probably came so they would drop other charges.

Seeing as how this is all about gettiig trump, as manaforts judge ellis told us, they want cohen to plead guilty to some crime they could try to connect trump with.

Just because cohen plead guilty to a crime and said trump directed it doesnt mean trump is guilty of a crime.

As gar as the immunity,

I am curious, were you saying when you found out people in hillarys camp got immunity, that proved they must be spilling about crimes she committed?

How did that end up?



posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 08:33 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

Yeah. But the context of that taped discussion about seems to imply that he really concerned about the election more than reputation. After all, he could shoot someone in the middle of fifth avenue and his base would still support him.


About divorce records being released:

TRUMP: And it’s been going on for a while.

COHEN: About two, three weeks now.

TRUMP: All you’ve got to do is delay for —

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posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 08:34 PM
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originally posted by: darkbake
a reply to: Justoneman

If Cohen wasn't guilty of a crime, why did he plead guilty? He's a lawyer, he should know the difference. In addition, the intent was clearly to influence the campaign.


He was blackmailed (from the old taxi extortion rackets) into committing new campaign related crimes.

An old victim (or victims) blew a whistle that started all the new whistles blowing.

Chain Whistles CAT5 Chicago to NY

Not hard to figure out if ya read the plea charges.

💥😎💥
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posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 08:36 PM
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a reply to: Phage

If he could shoot someone and get away with it, why would he be worried about an affaiur hurting his election?

What do divorce records have do do with this?

why would trump try to stop the stormy story coming out in 2011 if he was only concerned about the election>

He would have said sure, let her tell her story, I dont mind at all.

The fact he didnt want this story coming out proves he was concerned about his family or his reputation regarding this irregardless of the election.



posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 08:53 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Phage

why would trump try to stop the stormy story coming out in 2011 if he was only concerned about the election>



He didn't.

The WSJ article you linked to earlier doesn't say that.

in 2011 she talked to in-touch magazine about an affair, but didn't name him.

As a matter of fact the truth is JUST THE OPPOSITE:



Michael Cohen initially balked at the idea of buying the silence of a former adult-film star who says she had sex with Donald Trump, but he did an about-face after a video of Mr. Trump talking about groping women became public in October 2016.

A day after the recording surfaced of outtakes of Mr. Trump speaking to a host of NBC’s “Access Hollywood,” Mr. Cohen, then Mr. Trump’s senior counsel, told a representative for the performer that he was open to a deal, according to a person familiar with the conversation.

www.wsj.com...

EDIT TO ADD: It doesn't do the thread favors when you insert things as facts that are not true or supported.

If you have link proving Trump was working to silence Daniels before the election season, I am open to being wrong.
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posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 09:00 PM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

The story is behind a pay wall for me.

But I read it before and know what it says.

Trump sued to keep the stormy stroy from coming out in 2011.


A tabloid magazine held back from publishing an adult film star’s 2011 account of an alleged affair with Donald Trump after the future president’s personal lawyer threatened to sue, four former employees of the tabloid’s publisher said.
Trump is 'obsessed' and 'terrified' of sharks – but his fears are excessive
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In Touch magazine published its 5,000-word interview with the pornographic actor Stormy Daniels on Friday – more than six years after Trump’s long-time attorney, Michael Cohen, sent an email to In Touch’s general counsel saying Trump would aggressively pursue legal action if the story was printed, according to emails described to the Associated Press by the former employees.


www.theguardian.com...

So yes, cohen was at trump behest trying to keep the story from coming out in 2011



posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 09:04 PM
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originally posted by: soberbacchus

EDIT TO ADD: It doesn't do the thread favors when you insert things as facts that are not true or supported.

If you have link proving Trump was working to silence Daniels before the election season, I am open to being wrong.


I wish that wall st journal article wasnt behind a pay wall for me.

I know it says Cohen threatened to sue in touch in 2011 to keep stormys story from coming out.

I will get access to that article, and prove it,.

And when I do, I would appreciate an apology by you for implying that I misled people with my intitial statement, which was trump tried to stop the stormy story coming out in 2011.



posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 09:05 PM
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If he could shoot someone and get away with it, why would he be worried about an affaiur hurting his election?
Because he knew his base. It wasn't them he was worried about.



What do divorce records have do do with this?
A better question would be why Trump didn't care if they came out after the election.


The fact he didnt want this story coming out proves he was concerned about his family or his reputation regarding this irregardless of the election.
I disagree.



posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 09:17 PM
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I still see this as;

Politician gives money to woman to keep her quiet so he can get elected

vs


Politician gives money to woman to keep her quiet so he can get elected.


One is legal, and the other is illegal.





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