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The UK is a fortress compared to you, and most people don't care.
Same in the UK, it is a crime to enter without a visa/passport/etc, but while tens of thousands who get caught are simply kicked out, only a few hundred actually get prosecuted first.
originally posted by: missed_gear
a reply to: JDmOKIAccording to all laws of the United States, illegally entering or remaining without legal status within the United States is still illegal by any means.
originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
Wow, thanks for all the interesting replies, it has been a fascinating read seeing the perspective from US members.
I made the comparison in the OP with how the UK is so strict on immigration with very little criticism from the rest of the world, aside from France of course which wants us to take the migrants camped on their northern shore while they refuse to register there.
It is slightly different here though due to EU membership. Right now we have over a million migrant workers from Eastern Europe who do all the crappy jobs which Brits won't do. They are all here legally of course, and we need them for the same reasons the US needs unskilled workers to fill employment gaps, farm work, factory work etc.
What will change (if) when then Britain leaves the EU is how these workers continue to come here legally. There is talk of a simple visa scheme where Britain takes workers to fill our gaps, just employers would need to prove they cannot hire locally, but then we enter the 'racist' domain with issues about which countries we allow workers from.
At present the system is racist or certainly nationalist because only European workers get the right to work here. Post Brexit, under a visa scheme I would imagine this visa system would have to be offered to non-EU nationals as well or it would seem disciminatory.
I have no problem with that because we need these workers, so if it was offered to everyone who can speak English, be they from India, Australia, or Latvia then a fair system of immigration can continue.
Our regime is much more intrusive for workers than anything I imagine a US president could get away with. To work here you must have ID and proof of your right to remain in the UK. Employers are prosecuted if they don't verify this information (unlimited fines), same for landlords renting accomodation out.
Social Security numbers are difficult to obtain, and any discrepancy with names etc are quickly picked up on the database prompting investigation by the border force who quickly arrest and deport those caught.
Gone are the days of clerical records where you could rent the SS number off someone in prison and claim to be them.
That said, it seems the general consensus is that controlling the people who enter a country is sensible and not 'racist' but an essential part of running a nation.
We will always have some illegal immigrants working in the UK but it is a very tough climate and people get busted and kicked out regularly. Only recently a car wash place and a Chinese restaurant got busted in my area, everyone suspected they were illegal, and I guess someone grassed to the authorities so they swooped with van loads of officers and arrested lots of workers.
Same as the US, our biggest problem is people over-staying their holiday visa, not actually sneaking into the country, but the only work they can get is blackmarket, cash, and under the minimum wage so it is not a welcoming environment. Illegals can't get driving licences, cannot access healthcare (unless emergency of course), can't rent property, and certainly can't get arrested for something as Border force will be informed and they get kicked out.
It shocks me that illegals in the US can get driving licences in some states because even applying for one here would result in your front door being kicked in.
That said though, if the immigration policy is consistent to all then it is not racist. I'm a white Brit for example, and I assume that if I overstayed and worked illegally in the US I'd be kicked out if caught by authorities, rightly so.
If that is the case then it is not racist and I support the US being as tough on illegals as the UK is.
Again, thanks for all the interesting replies, this was just a thread so I could learn more, and also try to show you guys that the UK is tougher on immigration yet nobody complains that we are racist xenophobes, just a sensible nation desperately trying to keep our numbers of folk at a manageable level - sensible policy as far as I see for any nation.
originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: stormcell
I always wonder where do they get all these 'under the counter' jobs from though? A legitimate employer still requires a passport/immigration document showing 'right to employment' as well as the social security number.
There are only so many fast food joints and hand car wash places in London to go around.