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Michael Cohen: Trump ex-lawyer 'happy' to aid Russia probe

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posted on Aug, 22 2018 @ 10:39 AM
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I would think that is where the "stretching" occurs. If he didn't sign the check, then his lawyer did ; Therefore campaign donation violation....

But again, it's not. And had that been the only charge, I doubt he would have done a plea deal.




posted on Aug, 22 2018 @ 10:41 AM
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a reply to: Boadicea
He probably means that if Trump signed a check it would have been attributed to the campaign. But there was no check, so Chohen had to use other funds. But as you remarked, it shouldnt matter anyway, there is no way this campaign violation charge would hold up in court.

Lanny Davis is a guy on a mission with very close ties to the Clintons. Dont take his public uttertings too seriously.


edit on 22-8-2018 by mightmight because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 22 2018 @ 10:41 AM
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originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: TheSubversiveOne
He was threatened with Trumped up charges and given a plea bargain to get to Trump. So much for justice.


Oh please. No one is interested in justice here. They either want Trump gone or they want to defend him even if there's wrongdoing.


If he did wrong things, he needs to pay for them. If he violated campaign finance laws, then he should be punished, but the punishment should be within limits of what has happened in the past. (precedents have been set here)

And if there is a big issue with paying off mouthy whores, then I welcome that investigation, and as soon as Trump hangs, we can focus on congress and their slush fund for the same purpose.



posted on Aug, 22 2018 @ 10:43 AM
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I think its way too soon to say that the Trump supporters all have egg on their face and in any case I don't think that is the right kind of language to be using.

Sure as it goes on it seem more and more likely that this whole scandal could end up right at the feet of the POTUS. I personally didn't expect that it would, I thought we would see a few of his close associates get into trouble, he would just deny all knowledge of anything and Trump and his family would get off with the whole thing. Today after what has happened I think all but the strongest of Trump supporters would still be pretending that Trump is now not in legal jeopardy.

Fundamentally this is what has happened, Trump has moved into a state of legal jeopardy in relation to the Stormy case and now his lawyer is prepared to speak with the team investigating Russia.

It must be very difficult for Trump and his supporters to see the light at the end of the tunnel of all of this because there are multiple scandals circling Trump and it only takes one of them to amount to anything and his presidency is at risk.



posted on Aug, 22 2018 @ 10:45 AM
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we can focus on congress and their slush fund for the same purpose.


I don't mean to come off as a jerk or arguementative… Or that I have an issue with you personally or anything like that....


But you realise that is never going to happen right ? That fund will never go away, it will never be explained and it will probably never again be discussed in the media.



posted on Aug, 22 2018 @ 11:06 AM
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a reply to: CrawlingChaos

It's all about precedents. Once something is considered "the norm", then it becomes fair game for the rest. While I agree it won't happen in reality, if Trump is removed over payments to whores, there will be some of the best and most amazing tap dancing you and the world will ever see from our leaders in DC. I'd rather see the whole area erased, but it's not up to me.



posted on Aug, 22 2018 @ 11:20 AM
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originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: TheSubversiveOne

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: TheSubversiveOne
He was threatened with Trumped up charges and given a plea bargain to get to Trump. So much for justice.


Oh please. No one is interested in justice here. They either want Trump gone or they want to defend him even if there's wrongdoing.


That’s where you’re wrong. False dilemma.


Wut?





A false dilemma is a type of informal fallacy in which something is falsely claimed to be an "either/or" situation, when in fact there is at least one additional option.


False Dilemma



posted on Aug, 22 2018 @ 11:22 AM
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a reply to: network dude

but weren't some of the legislators dethroned because they took advantage of that slush fund?



posted on Aug, 22 2018 @ 11:40 AM
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originally posted by: TheSubversiveOne
He was threatened with Trumped up charges and given a plea bargain to get to Trump. So much for justice.


Cohen's defense attorney Lanny Davis and the prosecutor Mueller are on the same team...Isn't that a little odd???



posted on Aug, 22 2018 @ 11:41 AM
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Just to keep things on track


Cohen, appearing in federal court in Manhattan, said that during the 2016 presidential campaign, Trump directed him to make payments to two women who claimed they had affairs with the president in exchange for their silence.

He told a federal judge he acted “in coordination with and at the direction of” a candidate for federal office and made the payments “at the request of the candidate”.

The payments to the women – pornographic film actor Stormy Daniels and former Playboy model Karen McDougal – amounted to illegal campaign contributions and were designed to influence the results of the election, Cohen admitted in court.

He said Trump repaid him for the $130,000 in hush money received by Daniels.


Little point in bolding for emphasis : it's all pretty damning as it stands

As far as helping the Russian investigation,
Cohen insists he knows much more about the infamous "Trump Tower Meeting"

-> My take would be that Trump Senior knew about it well in advance
and was rubbing his hands with unabridled glee in anticipation of 'the dirt' that he was about to receive

If Trump had gone to the FBI at that point, we wouldn't be where we are now...



posted on Aug, 22 2018 @ 11:50 AM
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originally posted by: Cassi3l
Just to keep things on track


Cohen, appearing in federal court in Manhattan, said that during the 2016 presidential campaign, Trump directed him to make payments to two women who claimed they had affairs with the president in exchange for their silence.

He told a federal judge he acted “in coordination with and at the direction of” a candidate for federal office and made the payments “at the request of the candidate”.

The payments to the women – pornographic film actor Stormy Daniels and former Playboy model Karen McDougal – amounted to illegal campaign contributions and were designed to influence the results of the election, Cohen admitted in court.

He said Trump repaid him for the $130,000 in hush money received by Daniels.


Little point in bolding for emphasis : it's all pretty damning as it stands

As far as helping the Russian investigation,
Cohen insists he knows much more about the infamous "Trump Tower Meeting"

-> My take would be that Trump Senior knew about it well in advance
and was rubbing his hands with unabridled glee in anticipation of 'the dirt' that he was about to receive

If Trump had gone to the FBI at that point, we wouldn't be where we are now...


Cool.

So i assume you also have a problem with hillary rubbing her hands with glee as she paid a law firm that represents the very same russian oligarchs that trump is accused with trying to get dirt from, to get dirt on trump, using a foriegn spy and his russian sources?

Oh and then lying about paying for that for over a year.

Yet strangely, mueller and the fbi didnt seem to be concerned about that russian collusion.



posted on Aug, 22 2018 @ 11:53 AM
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Cool, we will FINALLY SEE SOME RUSSIAN COLLUSION?

I could give a crap about finance laws, I want the Russian collusion, I was promised that by leftist, thus is the whole point of this investigation.

Its honestly a race, Trump systematically destroys Obummers legacy and Mueller is the only thing Dima have and he's been providing much needed feed for their deluded masses 😌

Considering the latter, I feel that mueller has gone beyond his scope and is now only a matter of time before Trump fires him and he'll have his support.



posted on Aug, 22 2018 @ 11:56 AM
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a reply to: Grambler
...and that has how much relevance to the topic ?



posted on Aug, 22 2018 @ 12:04 PM
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a reply to: Cassi3l

It's the old double-standard that most of us are sick & tired of seeing. Why didn't they raid Fusion GPS for much larger and more blatant violations?

Even the Clinton's former pollster, Mark Penn, sees it:

Former Clinton Pollster: Hillary Clinton Broke Campaign Finance Laws, Not Donald Trump


The usual procedures here would be for the FEC to investigate complaints and sort through these murky laws to determine if these kinds of payments are personal in nature or more properly classified as campaign expenditures. And, on the Daniels payment that was made and reimbursed by Trump, it is again a question of whether that was made for personal reasons (especially since they have been trying since 2011 to obtain agreement). Just because it would be helpful to the campaign does not convert it to a campaign expenditure. Think of a candidate with bad teeth who had dental work done to look better for the campaign; his campaign still could not pay for it because it’s a personal expenditure.

Contrast what is going on here with the treatment of the millions of dollars paid to a Democratic law firm which, in turn, paid out money to political research firm Fusion GPS and British ex-spy Christopher Steele without listing them on any campaign expenditure form — despite crystal-clear laws and regulations that the ultimate beneficiaries of the funds must be listed. This rule was even tightened recently. There is no question that hiring spies to do opposition research in Russia is a campaign expenditure, and yet, no prosecutorial raids have been sprung on the law firm, Fusion GPS or Steele. Reason: It does not “get” Trump.



posted on Aug, 22 2018 @ 12:05 PM
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a reply to: Arnie123


Considering the latter, I feel that mueller has gone beyond his scope and is now only a matter of time before Trump fires him and he'll have his support.


You clearly misunderstand the weadth and breadth of Mueller's mandate...

However, I too, from now on, join the clamour for Mueller's removal
"Throw him out", "castigate him", "lapidate him"

I'll even throw together a few memes !

It will only hasten the demise of this ramshackle White House



posted on Aug, 22 2018 @ 12:06 PM
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a reply to: AndyFromMichigan
Go and make a thread about it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



posted on Aug, 22 2018 @ 12:11 PM
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a reply to: AndyFromMichigan




It's the old double-standard that most of us are sick & tired of seeing. Why didn't they raid Fusion GPS for much larger and more blatant violations?


Why didn't they blame her supporters for being bots, trying to influence the election, and thus threatening democracy?

Shareblue Astroturf Analysis


At first glance, the Clintonian grass roots seemed to have organically sprouted in anger. But closer inspection yielded traces of Miracle-Gro that led to the sixth floor of a building in the Flatiron neighborhood of Manhattan.

There, surrounded by start-up tech companies, “Star Wars” posters and flat-screen televisions fixed on cable news, Peter Daou sat with his team at a long wooden table last week, pushing the buttons that activate Mrs. Clinton’s outrage machine. Mr. Daou’s operation, called Shareblue, had published the article on Mr. Trump’s comment on its website and created the accompanying hashtag.



Inside Hillary Clinton's Outrage Machine
edit on 22-8-2018 by TheSubversiveOne because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 22 2018 @ 12:14 PM
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originally posted by: Cassi3l
a reply to: Grambler
...and that has how much relevance to the topic ?




You take on the topic is that coehn will be able to bring trump down because meeting with a russian lawyer to get dirt on hillary is somehow damning.

My point is that would also make hillarys paying for dirt from russians damning.

Is it really your opinion that the fbi should be going all out to prove trump getting dirt from russians was a crime, but do nothing about hillarys getting dirt from russians?



posted on Aug, 22 2018 @ 12:16 PM
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originally posted by: kurthall
a reply to: Cassi3l



I KNEW, this was going to all come to a head....That is also why I have not Been on ATS, as much....Rather than sit and argue, with people who wont listen, I chose to just sit it out for awhile, and let things play out. I was right so far, and let me just say now for anyone who disagrees...I WAS RIGHT!

trump tower meeting, was indeed collusion. Even trump tweeted last week, the meeting was about getting dirt on his opponent. That is the very definition of Collusion. Anyway, for all of you who argued, name called, etc, IN YOUR FACE!




I hate to burst your bubble, but COLLUSION is not a crime.

Also I think this whole thing is a giant farce to cover up all the FBI and DOJ wrong doings in Hillary's favor.



posted on Aug, 22 2018 @ 12:22 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

The OP is about what is happening right now, in real life :
Cohen offering himself up to Mueller
Do you have any thoughts or insights into that ?

Or is it that your current episode of whattaboutitis is strong today ...




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