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Michael Cohen pleads guilty, says he paid hush money at Trump's direction

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posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 08:25 PM
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Sorry guys and gals, this NDA is not a campaign contribution no matter how it is tried to be contorted. Keep trying tho.




posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 08:26 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari




Was he reimbursed for it?

You tell me. Was he? And if so, when?


Is a mortgage now a campaign contribution?
If the funds are used for something to help a candidate get elected, yes.



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 08:26 PM
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a reply to: annoyedpharmacist

That audio tape we heard would seem to indicate otherwise.



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 08:28 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari

He is level 1 which is good or best for him but any other agency outside of the tax agency or whichever one is prosecuting him currently. They have him by the cohoneeeess honestly now with probation.


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posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 08:28 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: annoyedpharmacist

That audio tape we heard would seem to indicate otherwise.


how so?

In the tape it was specifically stated to NOT use campaign funds??
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posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 08:44 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Lumenari




Was he reimbursed for it?

You tell me. Was he? And if so, when?


Is a mortgage now a campaign contribution?
If the funds are used for something to help a candidate get elected, yes.


And.. after a lot of putting yourself out there you finally screwed up.


If the funds are used for something to help a candidate get elected, yes.


He was his lawyer... and as such was given access to Trump's personal money.

Personal moneys (and corporate, if you own a business or two) can be spent however you want in an election.

It is not an FEC violation to spend any amount of personal or corporate money on helping your chances at an election.

You just lost this little disagreement.

Have a nice night sweety... I'm going to take a shower because talking to you always makes me feel a little... icky.




posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 08:44 PM
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originally posted by: annoyedpharmacist

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: annoyedpharmacist

That audio tape we heard would seem to indicate otherwise.


how so?

In the tape it was specifically stated to NOT use campaign funds??


Ya... he's just crazy now.

~shrug~



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 08:51 PM
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A little reminder of what "a nice man" Cohen is.




posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 09:03 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari


It is not an FEC violation to spend any amount of personal or corporate money on helping your chances at an election.
True, for personal funds anyway.

So, why did Cohen plead guilty if there was no crime?


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posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 09:22 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Lumenari


It is not an FEC violation to spend any amount of personal or corporate money on helping your chances at an election.
True, for personal funds anyway.

So, why did Cohen plead guilty if there was no crime?



Because he is now getting 28-63 months rather than 65 years in prison? That might have something to do with it....



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 09:25 PM
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a reply to: timequake

Ah. I see. Fair enough.

But don't you suppose that the prosecutors have some evidence to support the charges? Apparently they gathered a lot of stuff.


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posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 09:28 PM
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originally posted by: annoyedpharmacist
Sorry guys and gals, this NDA is not a campaign contribution no matter how it is tried to be contorted. Keep trying tho.

Even when a sitting President has violated campaign finance laws, there's just a slap on the wrist (a fine), and life goes on.


WASHINGTON (TheBlaze/AP) — President Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign has been fined $375,000 by the Federal Election Commission for reporting violations related to a set of donations received during the final days of the campaign. The infraction, which is historical in nature when considering its size, was first reported by POLITICO.
www.theblaze.com...



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 09:33 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

A campaign committee is not a president. Obama was not fined, the campaign committee was. The reporting errors were made by the committee.

In this case, it appears that Trump was directly involved in planning a crime.





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posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 09:46 PM
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a reply to: Phage

Phage I love and respect you and in most other areas you are extremely intelligent but when it comes to politics you're out of your league



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 09:47 PM
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a reply to: thedigirati

Good thing this thread isn't about me then. Right?



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 09:47 PM
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Why the eff did Cohen hire Lanny Davis as his lawyer? I remember him from back in the 1990's. He's a Clinton-family dirtbag and DNC fixer!

Davis probably set up Cohen by having him plead guilty to a bogus crime. He's already using this to attack Trump. It's obvious he was not acting in his client's best interests.
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posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 09:48 PM
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a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

So, you don't think the FBI found any evidence to support the charges?



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 09:54 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

So, you don't think the FBI found any evidence to support the charges?

The fraud related to Cohen's taxi medallions, is probably legit. But real legal experts (not just Levin) are coming on record to doubt that Cohen actually broke campaign finance laws. Given that Cohen's lawyer is a longtime DNC apparatchik, it's looking likely to me that he conspired against his own client to add bogus charges campaign finance charges, so they can finally claim "victory" for something that at least involves the election.

Edit: Bogus charges are not unprecedented in the Mueller investigation. Flynn was forced to plead guilty to perjury, even though the FBI agents themselves are on record as not thinking Flynn lied to them. Explain that one...
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posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 11:34 PM
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Explain that one...

Flynn is an effective liar.



posted on Aug, 22 2018 @ 02:28 AM
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Assuming this is accurate...


Despite the media hype, it is not a campaign contribution for a candidate to instruct his attorney to pay-off a nuisance claim to avoid any issues or embarrassment. It is not a campaign donation for Donald Trump to reimburse his attorney for paying the claim.

♦The issue of the Cohen payment being an “in kind” campaign contribution is the bottom line question which underpins the charge.

There is no FEC rule or law that says a candidate cannot pay-off an accuser to avoid further issues, a nuisance claim. Paying an accuser to avoid controversy or embarrassment, is no different than a candidate buying an American made car -with personal funds- to gain the beneficial public optics of not driving a foreign car. Neither expense example makes the payment an aspect of am “in kind” campaign contribution.

There is no connected claim that President Trump used campaign funds to repay his attorney for eliminating the nuisance claim. President Trump, a businessman, used his own business income to repay his attorney; an attorney on a monthly retainer.

The entire charge of Cohen making a campaign contribution, or campaign finance violation, is a manufactured claim, made only by the SDNY, for political benefit.
theconservativetreehouse.com... ere-the-media-focus/#more-153144

How can the charge stand as being legal and valid? Is there no "Federal Campaign Financing Rules" manual, to use as a legal guide?




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