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Michael Cohen pleads guilty, says he paid hush money at Trump's direction

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posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 06:57 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari

Cohen is the type of dude to lie under oath. Cohen is the type of guy to take backdoor deals. Cohen is the kind of guy to throw people under the bus to get ahead. He has bad character and shouldn't be trusted. That said, Trump has probably done a lot of illegal crap but it's the name of the game in this corrupt country.




posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 06:59 PM
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originally posted by: CB328



The only way it would be illegal is if Trump used campaign contributions to pay for it.


They are saying that since Cohen paid these to help Trump, during an election, that amounts to oversized campaign contributions. How hard is that to understand?

The only question I have is if this has been done before, of if this is a new line of reasoning that may not be upheld.


Because they were not donations to his campaign.

How hard is that to understand?

Otherwise the DNC draining it's coffers to try to get Hillary elected would be... wait for it... an oversized campaign contribution.

As would every PAC.

Hope that helped.



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 07:16 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari




Because they were not donations to his campaign

So, Cohen didn't have to plead guilty to felony charges?

In New York, Cohen pleaded guilty in federal court to eight felony counts of tax fraud, bank fraud and campaign finance violations.

www.cnbc.com...


Otherwise the DNC draining it's coffers to try to get Hillary elected would be... wait for it... an oversized campaign contribution.
A political organization is not an individual.

edit on 8/21/2018 by Phage because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 07:18 PM
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originally posted by: PistolPete
All the billionaire had to do was use his own money and none of this would be happening.


And who told you he didn't?

Asking for a friend....



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 07:20 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari

You haven't been paying attention.


As part of his plea bargain, Cohen admitted to paying hush money to porn star Stormy Daniels in 2016, "at the direction of the candidate." Trump wasn't identified by name in Cohen's statement, but he was the only candidate who Cohen was working for at the time.



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 07:24 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari

Cohen has More Versions of Stories than Aesop , but can't Right a Lick.......



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 07:28 PM
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The judge noted that Cohen could serve up to 65 years in prison, though the prosecutors' recommended sentence is 46 to 63 months.


There's some more bullsnip going on behind the scenes.



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 07:30 PM
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So Cohen now confessed that he did pay “hush money” under the direction of “a candidate for federal office” (presumably, that unnamed candidate was Trump; this is per the guilty plea Cohen has filed).

It would therefore seem that Stefanie Clifford’s (AKA: Stormy Daniels) allegations were correct, she was “paid off” by Trump.

But, here’s the thing that has me going “Hmmmm”:

Clifford ALSO alleged that, prior to agreeing to the payoff, she was “threatened” by an as yet unidentified man, and told to “leave Trump alone”.

So,

If, as per Cohen’s plea, Trump was complicit in the pay-off to Stormy,

Was Trump also complicit in the hiring of some thug to threaten her?

The Devil’s in the details!
edit on 21-8-2018 by Bhadhidar because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 07:32 PM
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But Clinton....



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 07:32 PM
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a reply to: Phage

When Cohen secretly recorded Trump, i believe Trump told him not to use campaign funds to pay the woman off.

There could be other recordings that indicate otherwise, but Guiliani didn't seem all that worried.



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 07:37 PM
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a reply to: EchoesInTime

Probably because Guiliani is close to being a complete moron.



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 07:43 PM
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a reply to: vonclod

I don't disagree. He's a character.



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 07:54 PM
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a reply to: EchoesInTime

I think he has lost whatever mind he may have once possessed



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 08:01 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Lumenari

You haven't been paying attention.


As part of his plea bargain, Cohen admitted to paying hush money to porn star Stormy Daniels in 2016, "at the direction of the candidate." Trump wasn't identified by name in Cohen's statement, but he was the only candidate who Cohen was working for at the time.


You haven't.

Please link for me what part of a NDA is illegal for anyone ever to do?

Time for you to do the lifting.



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 08:01 PM
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originally posted by: CajunMetal
a reply to: Xtrozero

And, Clinton was impeached for that. Where's the Republican outrage now that it's their guy in the WH who turns out to be a sleaze? The only thing BREAKING here is that Trump supporters don't seem to hold that office in high regard if they're cool with an adulterer who paid off his mistresses holding it...


No. Bill Clinton, was impeached for lying under oath, not for diddling his intern.



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 08:05 PM
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originally posted by: Bhadhidar
So Cohen now confessed that he did pay “hush money” under the direction of “a candidate for federal office” (presumably, that unnamed candidate was Trump; this is per the guilty plea Cohen has filed).

It would therefore seem that Stefanie Clifford’s (AKA: Stormy Daniels) allegations were correct, she was “paid off” by Trump.

But, here’s the thing that has me going “Hmmmm”:

Clifford ALSO alleged that, prior to agreeing to the payoff, she was “threatened” by an as yet unidentified man, and told to “leave Trump alone”.

So,

If, as per Cohen’s plea, Trump was complicit in the pay-off to Stormy,

Was Trump also complicit in the hiring of some thug to threaten her?

The Devil’s in the details!


There are a lot of "ifs" in those allegations. The plea deal was used to get a snake of a man to agree to whatever narrative they wanted against a person who Cohen was already trying to smear. Credibility at its finest.



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 08:09 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Lumenari

You haven't been paying attention.


As part of his plea bargain, Cohen admitted to paying hush money to porn star Stormy Daniels in 2016, "at the direction of the candidate." Trump wasn't identified by name in Cohen's statement, but he was the only candidate who Cohen was working for at the time.


It would only be illegal if Campaign funds were used. Campaign finance issues are not meant to account against personal funds use toward a personal issue regardless of any collateral affect this would have had on any campaign. Furthermore, a plea deal statement does not amount to proof.
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posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 08:16 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Lumenari




Because they were not donations to his campaign

So, Cohen didn't have to plead guilty to felony charges?

In New York, Cohen pleaded guilty in federal court to eight felony counts of tax fraud, bank fraud and campaign finance violations.

www.cnbc.com...


Otherwise the DNC draining it's coffers to try to get Hillary elected would be... wait for it... an oversized campaign contribution.
A political organization is not an individual.


I am going to type this slower for you as well.

A candidate spending his own money on something is not a campaign contribution.


A candidate spending his own money on something is not a campaign contribution.


A candidate spending his own money on something is not a campaign contribution.

Cohen made a plea bargain. Because of tax fraud and money laundering.

The prosecutors can just throw in campaign finance violations as a charge as part of the plea bargain.

As in IT WILL NEVER GO TO COURT AND BE PROVEN.

For someone who claims to be as smart as you do, you are missing that they can throw in other allegations and it can never be proven because this will never go before a judge or jury.

The prosecutors can throw any other charges they want in there as part of the plea bargain.

So with a plea bargain, the charges will never go to court.

So, if Cohen (as Trump's lawyer, having access to his retainer) negotiates a NDA, pays for it and is reimbursed, that is not a campaign contribution.

He is simply being paid to do his job. As a lawyer.

As such, he could have paid a bazillion dollars to someone, get reimbursed and it is not a campaign contribution.

Please link for me where money you have paid to your lawyer for doing his job is a campaign contribution.

Thank you in advance.



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 08:22 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari




A candidate spending his own money on something is not a campaign contribution.
How is a mortgage in Cohen's name a candidate's own money?
You really haven't been paying attention, have you?



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 08:24 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Lumenari




A candidate spending his own money on something is not a campaign contribution.
How is a mortgage in Cohen's name a candidate's own money?
You really haven't been paying attention, have you?



Was he reimbursed for it?

Is a mortgage now a campaign contribution?

Did Trump reimburse him with campaign money?

Have a link for that please?



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