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posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 07:36 AM
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Recently, my state has become a hotbed of "statue hate". Those who aren't mentally capable of existing in the same space as historical monuments erected to portray a certain time in history, decided to take the future of the state into their own tiny little hands. They were hailed as heroes to their peers. Disgusting, weak minded, and intellectually lazy by others. But when and where does it stop?

Zebulon Baird Vance
en.wikipedia.org...
Vance fought on the side of the South. He might have been considered a “racist” by todays standards.
There are statues of him, towns named after him, and informational plaques all over North Carolina to explain his history. Should we change all that? Should we change :
The town of Zebulon, in Wake County
The town of Vanceboro, in Craven County
Vance County, NC
Zebulon B. Vance High School in Charlotte
Zeb Vance Elementary School in Kittrell
Vance Masonic Lodge A.F.&A.M. #293 in Weaverville
Vance Gap Road in Asheville

This is just a part of the rich history of my state. We have civil war battlefields a few miles away. Many of the local citizens have grouped together to maintain this site and keep it’s purpose alive so that any and all who wish to visit the site, can learn about it’s history. But it’s history is rooted in racism, it was the civil war. Should it be removed, so that it’s appearance won’t hurt feelings of the fragile?

Have we regressed this far that any history that the weak don’t like, should be removed from view?
Sadly, it appears so. Rather than learn from history, the SJW’s and other weak minded and weak spirited people chose to remove it, so they won’t see it anymore. Perhaps in those tiny minds, by removing it, they think it removes the fact that history actually happened. Perhaps they remove it so they can repress those same racist feelings they have, and know are wrong. Perhaps they are just idiots who are easily led and latched onto the movement started by just a few. Regardless, the end result is bad. History will remain, but it’s visual reminders will be erased, Then, only those who seek out that knowledge will have it. And the rest are doomed to repeat it.
(IMHO)




posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 07:46 AM
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originally posted by: network dude
Recently, my state has become a hotbed of "statue hate". Those who aren't mentally capable of existing in the same space as historical monuments erected to portray a certain time in history, decided to take the future of the state into their own tiny little hands. They were hailed as heroes to their peers. Disgusting, weak minded, and intellectually lazy by others. But when and where does it stop?

Zebulon Baird Vance
en.wikipedia.org...
Vance fought on the side of the South. He might have been considered a “racist” by todays standards.
There are statues of him, towns named after him, and informational plaques all over North Carolina to explain his history. Should we change all that? Should we change :
The town of Zebulon, in Wake County
The town of Vanceboro, in Craven County
Vance County, NC
Zebulon B. Vance High School in Charlotte
Zeb Vance Elementary School in Kittrell
Vance Masonic Lodge A.F.&A.M. #293 in Weaverville
Vance Gap Road in Asheville

This is just a part of the rich history of my state. We have civil war battlefields a few miles away. Many of the local citizens have grouped together to maintain this site and keep it’s purpose alive so that any and all who wish to visit the site, can learn about it’s history. But it’s history is rooted in racism, it was the civil war. Should it be removed, so that it’s appearance won’t hurt feelings of the fragile?

Have we regressed this far that any history that the weak don’t like, should be removed from view?
Sadly, it appears so. Rather than learn from history, the SJW’s and other weak minded and weak spirited people chose to remove it, so they won’t see it anymore. Perhaps in those tiny minds, by removing it, they think it removes the fact that history actually happened. Perhaps they remove it so they can repress those same racist feelings they have, and know are wrong. Perhaps they are just idiots who are easily led and latched onto the movement started by just a few. Regardless, the end result is bad. History will remain, but it’s visual reminders will be erased, Then, only those who seek out that knowledge will have it. And the rest are doomed to repeat it.
(IMHO)



*History* by its very name cannot be altered .....IT HAPPENED

It cant be altered by sticking fingers in ones ears and whistling loudly.

History should stand as a lesson whether good or bad.

Statues and plaques just serve as a reminder *Lest we forget*



edit on 21-8-2018 by eletheia because: (no reason given)


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posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 07:50 AM
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a reply to: network dude

History is supposed to be remembered so it doesn't repeat itself. Only weak minded people would feel the need to blot out everything that makes them uncomfortable.

The irony is that those that would destroy these statues consider themselves more tolerant and accepting, when the exact opposite is the truth.



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 07:50 AM
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A few weeks ago we had Renactment scheduled till some wonderful people from Chicago decided they were going to come and protest. So they told them we would cancel it but we didn't, the protesters showed up late and got their asses properly whupped. Police were very busy with traffic control. Protesters took to running thinking they would come back like nothing happened but was not to be. Never made the news.

Nice little town




posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 07:51 AM
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originally posted by: eletheia



*History* by its very name cannot be altered .....IT HAPPENED

It cant be altered by sticking fingers in ones ears and whistling loudly.

History should stand as a lesson whether good or bad.

Statues and plaques just serve as a reminder *Lest we forget*




yup. which is why removing a visual reminder of an event or action, changes nothing but the ability to reflect on said event or action. (translation- it's stupid)



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 07:51 AM
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The statue and name in the hot seat this week in my city is Sir John A McDonald.
Every idiot across the Canada is up in arms about tearing these statues out of the ground, banning his name, removing him from text books...etc.
Someone’s feelings got hurt when they were bored one day looking for something to complain about.
Now it’s a major issue here.
...just a bunch of Muppets.



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 07:53 AM
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originally posted by: mikell
A few weeks ago we had Renactment scheduled till some wonderful people from Chicago decided they were going to come and protest. So they told them we would cancel it but we didn't, the protesters showed up late and got their asses properly whupped. Police were very busy with traffic control. Protesters took to running thinking they would come back like nothing happened but was not to be. Never made the news.

Nice little town



they tried to protest a reenactment? I didn't know they had gone full retard.



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 07:55 AM
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originally posted by: Macenroe82
The statue and name in the hot seat this week in my city is Sir John A McDonald.
Every idiot across the Canada is up in arms about tearing these statues out of the ground, banning his name, removing him from text books...etc.
Someone’s feelings got hurt when they were bored one day looking for something to complain about.
Now it’s a major issue here.
...just a bunch of Muppets.


I thought you folks up "there" were supposed to be smarter than this. that makes me sad. That means that someone let the stupid people out of the box they used to be kept in, and a few got away. We should have used a better box.



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 07:55 AM
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originally posted by: Macenroe82
The statue and name in the hot seat this week in my city is Sir John A McDonald.
Every idiot across the Canada is up in arms about tearing these statues out of the ground, banning his name, removing him from text books...etc.
Someone’s feelings got hurt when they were bored one day looking for something to complain about.
Now it’s a major issue here.
...just a bunch of Muppets.





How are future generations ever going to know how they arrived at where they are?


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posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 07:55 AM
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a reply to: network dude

Book burning has become popular with the left.



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 07:58 AM
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a reply to: eletheia

History can definitely be altered. If we permit it. That old saying history is written by the victors is true.

I have read about history of entire regions being revised to favor the rulers. Communist Russia was one example. It's happened to some degree by every country on earth. Some believe that nearly all history before the 1500s is fictitious or at least highly distorted.



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 07:59 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: network dude

Book burning has become popular with the left.



LOL, I think when the two or three that were smart enough to realize that books are all digital now, and can't really be "burned", started the statue thing, so they could still feel like the tough guys and girls who identify as guys they portray on the internet.



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 08:00 AM
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Sadly, it appears so. Rather than learn from history, the SJW’s and other weak minded and weak spirited people chose to remove it, so they won’t see it anymore. Perhaps in those tiny minds, by removing it, they think it removes the fact that history actually happened.

Amazingly these are not the only people using this tactic....
www.cbc.ca...



Islamic State group militants destroyed a landmark ancient Roman monument and parts of the theatre in Syria's historic town of Palmyra, the government and opposition monitoring groups said Friday.


preemptivelove.org...



But when ISIS destroys historical markers, they accomplish something far more insidious than military strategy—they attack every Iraqi’s sense of belonging.




When ISIS destroyed the remains of Iraq’s oldest monastery, Dair Mar Elia, they tried to scrub out a reminder that devout Christians have resided in this space since the 6th century. When they destroyed the tombs of Daniel, Seth and Jonah, as well as museums and libraries, they were on a mission to erase any evidence of Iraq’s shared heritage between Muslims, Jews, and Christians. When ISIS destroyed Shia and Yazidi sacred sites, their violence said to these groups, “You don’t belong here. You have never belonged here.” This is one of the worst lies that hate can tell a person: You don’t belong. Your life doesn’t matter.


www.vox.com...



The battle over Confederate statues, explained Confederate statues have always been about white supremacy. That’s why they’re coming down.



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 08:04 AM
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originally posted by: toms54
a reply to: eletheia

History can definitely be altered. If we permit it. That old saying history is written by the victors is true.

I have read about history of entire regions being revised to favor the rulers. Communist Russia was one example. It's happened to some degree by every country on earth. Some believe that nearly all history before the 1500s is fictitious or at least highly distorted.



Facts cannot be altered ..... however there will always be different slants

depending on who is relating it?



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 08:08 AM
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There is another thread up about ideological robots... those who cannot/do not/will not understand their opponents' arguments. This thread is a perfect example.

The protesters are not trying to pretend that the Civil War never happened. They are not trying to pretend that slavery never happened. They are not trying to erase history. It is what it is and cannot be changed by anyone in any way... ever.

The protesters are protesting the perceived celebration and honoring of those who championed slavery and fought against the Union.

So you are arguing a strawman argument of your own creation. And insulting an entire group of people based on the same.

How about addressing their true objections -- the celebration and commemoration of those who defended, protected and fought for slavery.



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 08:10 AM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: eletheia



*History* by its very name cannot be altered .....IT HAPPENED

It cant be altered by sticking fingers in ones ears and whistling loudly.

History should stand as a lesson whether good or bad.

Statues and plaques just serve as a reminder *Lest we forget*




yup. which is why removing a visual reminder of an event or action, changes nothing but the ability to reflect on said event or action. (translation- it's stupid)


It changes nothing for you. For future generations, it never happened. It fades from memory.

Even recent history like WWII has become controversial because of revisionism. Secret archives are declassified. Records from the USSR that were never seen by the west until recently have changed our perception of events. Certain types of revision are actually illegal throughout Europe because they cast the victors in an unfavorable light.



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 08:12 AM
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They do it because it gives them a sense of moral superiority, period.
The smug, self-righteous demeanor of these vandals is the same as fundamentalist religion.



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 08:12 AM
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Another good thread man. You are on a roll...or a bagel...or a cinnibon.


IDK why people think that this is an acceptable option. Putting your point of view out there WAY after the fact? You CAN'T erase the past. You can try to massage it but it still happened. And how do you know how far we've come if you don't have a valid starting point? It think it's stupid and shortsighted.



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 08:15 AM
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I think it's an inconvenient reminder of who were the 'bad' guys of the era.

So they need to be WHITE washed.

Which is odd since the victor writes history to begin with, and apparently that even not enough anymore.



posted on Aug, 21 2018 @ 08:21 AM
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What if I told you the history you want to forget is the one you need to remember most?

If history always repeats itself, why is it being removed? Think about this one long and hard..




edit on 21-8-2018 by knowledgehunter0986 because: THOSE WHO REMOVE HISTORY, GET TO REWRITE HISTORY...




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