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Media goes nuts over ICE arrest of pregnant husband, find out he was wanted by mexico for murder

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posted on Aug, 22 2018 @ 06:46 PM
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originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: Grambler


How many7 times must we hear this narrative of ICE and trump are evil, and all illegals are perfect innocent people?


Are you arguing that illegal immigrants are as a group inherently more given to violent crime than US citizens? Because none of the available data I've seen backs that up.

Yet, that's the narrative that Trump pushed from literally the first day of his campaign (recall the "they're not sending you... they're rapists" statement as he was announcing) and throughout his presidency to demonize and dehumanize illegal immigrants as objects of fearmongering.

Yea, I mean these people look like assholes for being wrong in this particular instance but in my opinion, it sort of pales by comparison to the near-brainwashing demagoguery of Trump and friends.


Actually not true at all.

In the two studies done, the number of illegal immigrants in jail for murder had a higher statistical instance than legal citizens in jail for the same crime. California and Texas, I believe.

You used to be better than this.



Edited to add... Texas and Arizona, sorry.


Your first clues are Ante and "sources I've seen".




posted on Aug, 22 2018 @ 06:49 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Grambler

I think it is about time that all governments around the world gang up on the bully and begin arresting and deporting those illegal Americans who have no right in their country.

Ron Paul says U.S. has military personnel in 130 nations and 900 overseas bases - Politifact

And the way they refuse to pay tax yet want to drain the resources of other countries.

Apple pays zero tax in NZ despite sales of $4.2 billion - NZ Herald

Damned filthy robbing illegals.




I had you pegged for the middle, just left of me, not straight up a Socialist. Check _/

Can we give them your check account # since you are so sure we are wrong about law violations on maintaining our borders being a reason to call them illegals? Putting your money where your heart is, works for me.



posted on Aug, 22 2018 @ 06:57 PM
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originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Grambler

I think it is about time that all governments around the world gang up on the bully and begin arresting and deporting those illegal Americans who have no right in their country.

Ron Paul says U.S. has military personnel in 130 nations and 900 overseas bases - Politifact

And the way they refuse to pay tax yet want to drain the resources of other countries.

Apple pays zero tax in NZ despite sales of $4.2 billion - NZ Herald

Damned filthy robbing illegals.




I had you pegged for the middle, just left of me, not straight up a Socialist. Check _/

Can we give them your check account # since you are so sure we are wrong about law violations on maintaining our borders being a reason to call them illegals? Putting your money where your heart is, works for me.


The simpler solution would be to pull back everyone and let Europe take care of its own defenses.



posted on Aug, 22 2018 @ 07:50 PM
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This story leaves out some facts.

First the husband was not driving because he never had a drivers lic. likely because he knew he would have been arrested when the state DMV ran his ID and thumb print and deported on the warrant.

The wife had been the driver the whole time. before and after his arrest.



posted on Aug, 22 2018 @ 08:29 PM
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originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Grambler

I think it is about time that all governments around the world gang up on the bully and begin arresting and deporting those illegal Americans who have no right in their country.

Ron Paul says U.S. has military personnel in 130 nations and 900 overseas bases - Politifact

And the way they refuse to pay tax yet want to drain the resources of other countries.

Apple pays zero tax in NZ despite sales of $4.2 billion - NZ Herald

Damned filthy robbing illegals.




I had you pegged for the middle, just left of me, not straight up a Socialist. Check _/

Can we give them your check account # since you are so sure we are wrong about law violations on maintaining our borders being a reason to call them illegals? Putting your money where your heart is, works for me.


I believe that I am somewhere close to the middle politically. I think some degree government social support is good and necessary for a democratic state and I like a strong rule of law and capitalist incentive for economic advancement.

I'm also not a patriotic American, because I live in New Zealand and am an Australian citizen.

I am interested in world politics because we are all on this one planet. What America chooses to do, politically, has effect upon its allies & trading partners. The current American administration's isolationism and protectionism means that it is becoming, essentially, a 'rogue state' in the world community, and one that is nuclear armed and has a history of belligerence.

But getting back to the topic, do you know exactly what overall threat illegal immigrant Mexicans pose to the US? Not on a person by person basis, but overall?

Apparently, overall, immigration is good for the US economy. Apart from the American Indians, the entire nation of the US are immigrants. In fact, second generation immigrants "are among the strongest economic and fiscal contributors in the U.S. population," according to the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine report on the economic and fiscal consequences of immigration.

But of course, most are legal immigrants, right? Yes, but apparently, both the legal and illegal immigrants are equally good for the economy! Who'd have thought?

The biggest negative impact of illegal immigrants is the amount of money that is spent trying to prevent immigration.

And compared to the trillion dollar financial problems of America right now, the cost of illegal immigrants is a drop in the ocean.

Hitler said the "degenerate" Jews were the problem. Trump says the "illegal" Mexicans are the problem. Figure it out for yourself.

edit on 22/8/2018 by chr0naut because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 05:53 AM
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originally posted by: nataylor

originally posted by: Grambler
Without even waiting for ICE's repsonse, these politicians and media people knew ICE was evil and just did this for no reason.


Actually, the problem was ICE didn't mention anything about murder in their initial statement.

www.cbsnews.com...


On Friday, ICE issued a statement saying Arrona-Lara was arrested for "illegally residing in the United States" by the agency's "Fugitive Operations Team" and was awaiting removal.


It was only the following day that they released that information.


On Saturday, ICE said Arrona-Lara had, in fact, been targeted because he is wanted on an outstanding homicide warrant in Mexico, a detail that was not included in the original statement.


That would be CBS not reporting the facts not ICE failing to tell them. They report what makes you believe the big lies.



posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 05:58 AM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Guiltyguitarist
a reply to: chr0naut

I knew my chances of being right were literally 1 in 7 billion, but damned if you don’t sound just like him. You do know that American soldiers on American bases are not illegal immigrants, right?

It was hyperbole on my account but many are illegal as defined in international law (The Hague Conference, 1907), having been established through belligerent military occupation.

List of military occupations From Wikipedia


I agree with you that we need to get out of there and pull our troops home. Maybe the border would be a smart place, we are at war now. And an open border with so much hate of America going on from within and without, freedom is on a short leash.



posted on Aug, 23 2018 @ 06:11 AM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Grambler

I think it is about time that all governments around the world gang up on the bully and begin arresting and deporting those illegal Americans who have no right in their country.

Ron Paul says U.S. has military personnel in 130 nations and 900 overseas bases - Politifact

And the way they refuse to pay tax yet want to drain the resources of other countries.

Apple pays zero tax in NZ despite sales of $4.2 billion - NZ Herald

Damned filthy robbing illegals.




I had you pegged for the middle, just left of me, not straight up a Socialist. Check _/

Can we give them your check account # since you are so sure we are wrong about law violations on maintaining our borders being a reason to call them illegals? Putting your money where your heart is, works for me.


I believe that I am somewhere close to the middle politically. I think some degree government social support is good and necessary for a democratic state and I like a strong rule of law and capitalist incentive for economic advancement.

I'm also not a patriotic American, because I live in New Zealand and am an Australian citizen.

I am interested in world politics because we are all on this one planet. What America chooses to do, politically, has effect upon its allies & trading partners. The current American administration's isolationism and protectionism means that it is becoming, essentially, a 'rogue state' in the world community, and one that is nuclear armed and has a history of belligerence.

But getting back to the topic, do you know exactly what overall threat illegal immigrant Mexicans pose to the US? Not on a person by person basis, but overall?

Apparently, overall, immigration is good for the US economy. Apart from the American Indians, the entire nation of the US are immigrants. In fact, second generation immigrants "are among the strongest economic and fiscal contributors in the U.S. population," according to the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine report on the economic and fiscal consequences of immigration.

But of course, most are legal immigrants, right? Yes, but apparently, both the legal and illegal immigrants are equally good for the economy! Who'd have thought?

The biggest negative impact of illegal immigrants is the amount of money that is spent trying to prevent immigration.

And compared to the trillion dollar financial problems of America right now, the cost of illegal immigrants is a drop in the ocean.

Hitler said the "degenerate" Jews were the problem. Trump says the "illegal" Mexicans are the problem. Figure it out for yourself.


Immigration is good, Illegal immigration is very very bad. That are the facts that cannot be denied.



posted on Aug, 24 2018 @ 02:47 AM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

Oh please.
They are sending the dregs of society that would be on welfare of in prison if they let them stay in mexico.



posted on Aug, 24 2018 @ 10:43 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

Just another reason to justify Fake News media.

I don't buy the excuse "oh I didn't know" by journalists...

Kudos to ICE for doing their job to make America Great Again!



posted on Aug, 24 2018 @ 02:22 PM
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originally posted by: VforVendettea
a reply to: theantediluvian

Oh please.
They are sending the dregs of society that would be on welfare of in prison if they let them stay in mexico.

Oh, "they" are "sending" them.

I see.




posted on Aug, 24 2018 @ 02:47 PM
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originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Grambler

I think it is about time that all governments around the world gang up on the bully and begin arresting and deporting those illegal Americans who have no right in their country.

Ron Paul says U.S. has military personnel in 130 nations and 900 overseas bases - Politifact

And the way they refuse to pay tax yet want to drain the resources of other countries.

Apple pays zero tax in NZ despite sales of $4.2 billion - NZ Herald

Damned filthy robbing illegals.




I had you pegged for the middle, just left of me, not straight up a Socialist. Check _/

Can we give them your check account # since you are so sure we are wrong about law violations on maintaining our borders being a reason to call them illegals? Putting your money where your heart is, works for me.


I believe that I am somewhere close to the middle politically. I think some degree government social support is good and necessary for a democratic state and I like a strong rule of law and capitalist incentive for economic advancement.

I'm also not a patriotic American, because I live in New Zealand and am an Australian citizen.

I am interested in world politics because we are all on this one planet. What America chooses to do, politically, has effect upon its allies & trading partners. The current American administration's isolationism and protectionism means that it is becoming, essentially, a 'rogue state' in the world community, and one that is nuclear armed and has a history of belligerence.

But getting back to the topic, do you know exactly what overall threat illegal immigrant Mexicans pose to the US? Not on a person by person basis, but overall?

Apparently, overall, immigration is good for the US economy. Apart from the American Indians, the entire nation of the US are immigrants. In fact, second generation immigrants "are among the strongest economic and fiscal contributors in the U.S. population," according to the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine report on the economic and fiscal consequences of immigration.

But of course, most are legal immigrants, right? Yes, but apparently, both the legal and illegal immigrants are equally good for the economy! Who'd have thought?

The biggest negative impact of illegal immigrants is the amount of money that is spent trying to prevent immigration.

And compared to the trillion dollar financial problems of America right now, the cost of illegal immigrants is a drop in the ocean.

Hitler said the "degenerate" Jews were the problem. Trump says the "illegal" Mexicans are the problem. Figure it out for yourself.


Immigration is good, Illegal immigration is very very bad. That are the facts that cannot be denied.


So, they overstay their visa or they cross the border without documentation, which makes them illegal. What exactly are they doing that makes them "very very bad"?

The percentage that commit crimes can get sorted out by law enforcement, just like everyone else.

But the rate of rapes in Mexico are half of the US rate. Crime > Violent crime > Rapes per million people: Countries Compared - Nation Master. Perhaps the US population is very very very very bad in comparison to illegal immigrants being very very bad?

Can't you see that this is a massive propaganda campaign, that successive governments have found a scapegoat to distract you?



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