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Trump trillion-dollar-plus deficits are putting America on a path to fiscal ruin

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posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 10:10 AM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

You are spot on here

Both sides have hypocrites

I am a trump supporter, and a sort of conservative libertarian hybrid

But there is plenty about him I dislike, this deficit being a big one

But yes, I am totally willing to acknowledge that many trump supporters are hypocrites when they let him get away with things they complained about obama doing

I was called a Democrat in disguise and many other things for criticizing trumps bombing of Syria

It sad, but as you point out, it happens on both sides

On this issue in particular

It’s not popular to suggest raising taxes, or cutting programs

So it seems Dems focus on how they will have sweet programs to help people, but don’t want to be honest that this will raise just about everyone’s taxes

Republicans seem to want to talk about lowering taxes, but don’t want to acknowledge this will lead to a reduction in programs that help people

I am for lower taxes, and less programs. It seems to be a perfectly legitimate stance to be for the opposite, more programs and taxes

But trump, obama, Hillary, bush, etc all seem to push the unsustainable policy of not raising taxes but haveing more programs, and spending insane deficits that will bankrupt our future




posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 10:13 AM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

See. This is why I think you aren't listening to a word I'm saying. You are clearly making the assumption that I'm a dedicated liberal partisan. I've been an independent my whole life. I didn't come to my political conclusions by accident. I came to them after immersing myself in both sides of the argument and using logic to come to the more correct solution.



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 10:15 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

First, 'modern economic theory' is a load of bovine feces, structured to migrate and isolate wealth, enriching the wealthy and impoverishing the poor.

Second, I can't believe that you actually believe that there is any such thing as a 'temporary deceit.' Those exist in the same realm as unicorns.



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 10:16 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t




You are clearly making the assumption that I'm a dedicated liberal partisan.


There's no assumption.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Independent!



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 10:17 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

I understand, and I'm not knocking you for it, you're an independent that leans left. That's fine, everyone has their opinion and lean and it takes all kinds to make the earth go round. It depends what issue we talk about where one is worse than the other, and maybe one is truly worse.

All I was trying to say is the deficit will never be fixed so long as loyalists defend their sitting candidate.



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 10:18 AM
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originally posted by: incoserv
a reply to: Krazysh0t

First, 'modern economic theory' is a load of bovine feces, structured to migrate and isolate wealth, enriching the wealthy and impoverishing the poor.

Rebuttal: I trust people who actually study economics over this unsourced and ignorant opinion.


Second, I can't believe that you actually believe that there is any such thing as a 'temporary deceit.' Those exist in the same realm as unicorns.

I didn't say "deceit". I said "deficit" and yes the deficit returned back to what it was before Obama did his economy fixing policies. I can't say if it was an exact one-to-one return, but it dropped back down as the economy recovered. That is indisputable. Even to someone who uses emotions and adjectives to form flawed economy theories.



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 10:18 AM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: intrepid

Because we are still paying for the 16 trillion in DEBT he created from running DEFICITS.


You mean to pay for the war and the recession that he inherited?



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 10:19 AM
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a reply to: Grambler


But trump, obama, Hillary, bush, etc all seem to push the unsustainable policy of not raising taxes but haveing more programs, and spending insane deficits that will bankrupt our future


As long as we engage in our aggressive foreign projection, there's no way either side can get what they want. (Right wants less taxes, left wants more social programs)

We've spent close to 6 trillion post 9/11... Imagine what half of that (Iraq) could have gone towards without increasing taxes. Hell, a quarter of that could have gone towards something and a quarter could have gone towards tax cuts and appeased both sides.



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 10:20 AM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

The deficit was fixed under Clinton. It's possible, we just need to stop pretending like compromise is a dirty word.



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 10:21 AM
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originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: intrepid

Because we are still paying for the 16 trillion in DEBT he created from running DEFICITS.


You mean to pay for the war and the recession that he inherited?


He volunteered for the job, he knew what he was getting himself into.... And he chose to double down and bomb more countries and get us into a proxy war.

Just as Trump is doing large tax cuts (large for corporations and not much for us) without making sure revenue is coming in from another source while spending stays the same.

They're all guilty or that number would be lower.



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 10:22 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: CriticalStinker

The deficit was fixed under Clinton. It's possible, we just need to stop pretending like compromise is a dirty word.


Me and you are on a 100% agreement, I laid out how that is possible above your post I am quoting now.



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 10:22 AM
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Wow and to think I thought the house controlled the purse strings all these years.

But people continue to blame the president for what congress does, I certainly hope that one day folks wake up complete a cranial rectal inversion take a breath of fresh air and realize congress is the problem.


Republican and Democrat neither party has managed to do much more than F up the future for our children while they steal as much money and power as they can.



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 10:23 AM
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originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: intrepid

Because we are still paying for the 16 trillion in DEBT he created from running DEFICITS.


You mean to pay for the war and the recession that he inherited?


Who did GW inherit the middle Eastern snip from ?

Clinton.

Really want to play this game that snip began when FDR got in to bed with the House of Saud.

People that run for president don't inherit snip.

They wanted the job they got the job, and the last president did a snip poor one at that.



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 10:28 AM
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originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: intrepid

Because we are still paying for the 16 trillion in DEBT he created from running DEFICITS.


You mean to pay for the war and the recession that he inherited?


Who did GW inherit the middle Eastern snip from ?

Clinton.


Horse#. That started with 911. Clinton was gone by then. I am ignoring the Gulf War of course. I mean HW's war. I love that you continually attempt to put all the woes of America on Dem. presidents.

CS: I don't think anyone, including Obama, knew that the recession was going to hit, or be as bad as it was, as he was campaigning for the office.
edit on 20-8-2018 by intrepid because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 10:31 AM
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Started with 9-11 ?

IF you say so.



en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

The cluster eff of what is called the middle east DID NOT begin with GW.



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 10:31 AM
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: I don't think anyone, including Obama, knew that the recession was going to hit, or be as bad as it was, as he was campaigning for the office.


I'll give you that and go further, nothing was really done to prevent a redux.... It will happen again.



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 10:39 AM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: intrepid

Started with 9-11 ?

IF you say so.



Nice video. A bunch of clips snipped together to create a narrative. Pfft.


The cluster eff of what is called the middle east DID NOT begin with GW.


Yeah but he threw trillions into it.



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 11:29 AM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

If they mattered then where were you when Obama was doing it? Or does it only matter when the other guys do it?



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 11:37 AM
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originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Southern Guardian

You are right to pint this out

Remember when the tea party was concerned about the deficit?

Where are they now?

I was all for cutting taxes. The problem is that you must also cut spending, which trump isn’t doing

I will not play whataboutism here

I was thoroughly against deficit spending under obama, and I continue to be against trump doing it

It is not sustainable, and every single person should be calling this out, particularly fiscal conservatives


The problem isn't so much the President, but congress and the senate. I wasn't happy Trump signed the budget he was presented. I wanted him to throw it back in the RINO's face and make a big stink about them pissing money away.

In truthfulness through, it is hard to cut spending because as soon as you attempt to do it, you will get all the crying and gnashing from the affected parties about how it is taking food out of kids mouths, jobs, etc, etc. Everyone loves to complain about spending until the cut affects them directly.



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 11:46 AM
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originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Southern Guardian

You are right to pint this out

Remember when the tea party was concerned about the deficit?

Where are they now?

I was all for cutting taxes. The problem is that you must also cut spending, which trump isn’t doing

I will not play whataboutism here

I was thoroughly against deficit spending under obama, and I continue to be against trump doing it

It is not sustainable, and every single person should be calling this out, particularly fiscal conservatives


The problem isn't so much the President, but congress and the senate. I wasn't happy Trump signed the budget he was presented. I wanted him to throw it back in the RINO's face and make a big stink about them pissing money away.

In truthfulness through, it is hard to cut spending because as soon as you attempt to do it, you will get all the crying and gnashing from the affected parties about how it is taking food out of kids mouths, jobs, etc, etc. Everyone loves to complain about spending until the cut affects them directly.


Well yes, congress passes a budget. Nonetheless, who has more seats in congress? Supposedly the "fiscal conservatives". So they should be held to account, and as should trump for signing the budget. Trump pushed for tax cuts, yet did not push for things such as entitlement reform.

Yes, of course its not popular to advocate for reducing government programs. But I dont care; I want leaders that are more concrened with doing whats good for the country than winning their next election.

Our government levels of spending is not sustainable; we need leaders that are willing to get the deficit under control.




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