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Panelist On MSNBC Suggests Trump Wants To Round People Up And ‘Murder’ Them

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posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 09:34 AM
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originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: xuenchen

If True , I Hope he goes After the Progressive Radical Anarchist Liberals Infesting this Great Nation First !


"Good! Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you."




posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 09:38 AM
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originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: neo96
I stopped after Trump isn't the leader of the free world and doesn't stand up for 'democracy'.

Democracy is anti freedom. It's nothing more than mob rule.

The majority shoves snip down peoples throats, and your suppose to like it.

# MSNBC.!


Woah... you guys are actually openly admitting this unpatriotic sentiment now. And it's getting #-tons of stars.

You seeing this, folks? ATS isn't what it used to be.

Democracy IS the free world.


Democracy is mob rule.



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 10:02 AM
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originally posted by: projectvxn

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: neo96
I stopped after Trump isn't the leader of the free world and doesn't stand up for 'democracy'.

Democracy is anti freedom. It's nothing more than mob rule.

The majority shoves snip down peoples throats, and your suppose to like it.

# MSNBC.!


Woah... you guys are actually openly admitting this unpatriotic sentiment now. And it's getting #-tons of stars.

You seeing this, folks? ATS isn't what it used to be.

Democracy IS the free world.


Democracy is mob rule.



You are conveniently conflating the concept of "Direct Democracy" where the citizens as a whole form a governing body, and vote directly on each issue (which does not exist) with a "representative Democracy" where citizens elect leaders to represent them.

Furthermore we have a CONSTITUTIONAL Democracy since our founding.

Where majority rule is both endorsed and limited by the supreme law of the constitution, which protects the rights of individuals. Tyranny by minority over the majority is barred, but so is tyranny of the majority against minorities.

You and your ilk are deriding the Founding Principles of the United States of America.

Yes, we are also a Republic, where states are weighted with appropriate influence on governance, so that each region of the country can advocate for it's interests, BUT that "Republic" is derived from our constitutional DEMOCRACY protecting against tyranny of the majority against minorities.

That is also why in the term Democratic Republic, Democratic precedes republic.

We elect Representatives = not Pure Democracy or Mob Rule but "Representative Democracy"
We have a Constitution = Limiting the rights of the majority and protecting the rights of the minority.
We have a Republic = Extending the rights of the minority to the states. While the House of Representatives is granted representatives based on population, the Senate is granted two Senators for each state regardless of population. BOTH are elected via DEMOCRATIC elections.



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posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 10:05 AM
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Article 4 Section 4.

Republican form of government.



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 11:07 AM
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originally posted by: soberbacchus

Furthermore we have a CONSTITUTIONAL Democracy since our founding.

Constitutional Republic actually. Pure Democracy was found to be very destructive in early America, so the founding fathers had to take steps to protect the rights of US citizens which were being trampled on by the pure Democracies.
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posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 11:09 AM
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originally posted by: neo96
Article 4 Section 4.

Republican form of government.


That refers to the States that make up our Constitutional Democracy.

Article 4 Section 4.
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government

STATES, not individual rights.

It Guarantees States their Republic Structure aka 2 Senators a piece despite population, whereas the House of representatives is granted Reps. based on population.

It was a nod to the New States out west who couldn't compete on the population density of the colonies.
They wanted to have a say. It was a good move, but we still first a Democracy "OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE"..States as "government institutions" participate in a Republic, the occupants of those states participate in Democracy.

Same reason States, despite being a "Republic" can not pass laws contrary to the Constitution or oppressing the rights of the minority. Their "republic" privileges are subject to our constitutional democracy.


FIRST THREE WORDS OF THE CONSTITUION

We the People of the United States..




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posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 11:12 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: soberbacchus

Furthermore we have a CONSTITUTIONAL Democracy since our founding.

Constitutional Republic actually.


Not at all.

Don't have the bandwidth to teach grade school civics today.

Hopefully some day soon you will read up on the topic. I would recommend avoiding ideological BS and stick to neutral history.



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 11:14 AM
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originally posted by: soberbacchus
It was a nod to the New States out west who couldn't compete on the population density of the colonies.


I could be wrong but I actually believe it was more a nod to the small states such as Rhode Island.



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 11:18 AM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

Sorry, you are wrong. Constitutional Republic is what the US uses as it's chosen form of government.



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 11:23 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: soberbacchus
It was a nod to the New States out west who couldn't compete on the population density of the colonies.


I could be wrong but I actually believe it was more a nod to the small states such as Rhode Island.


That works too. You might be right as well. Perhaps BOTH.

Either way, if you are working to unite the colonies under one Democratic government, there is zero reason states with less population (and resultant representation in that government) would abdicate any amount of self governance just because.

The Senate made sense and still does IMO. Texas (28M) shouldn't be able to govern Wyoming (500k) just because they have more people. Geography matters and comes with it's own interests that deserve representation despite population.

That said, "Republic" speaks specifically to a safeguard (the senate) granted to states as an institution, not individuals, within a democracy (House of Representatives, Local Elections everywhere, Constitution and individual rights and most everywhere else) or otherwise "we the people".
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posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 11:25 AM
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In two later cases, it did establish a basic definition. In United States v. Cruikshank (1875), the court ruled that the "equal rights of citizens" were inherent to the idea of a republic.


en.wikipedia.org...

'Democracy' is the clear antithesis of EQUAL RIGHTS OF CITIZENS.

A majority gets to tell people their rights at any given time. That GD piece of paper be damned.

Gun control is the proof in that pudding.

Since it clearly violates the Bill of Rights, and the 14th amendment.



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 11:31 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Wow first line



More dumb-ass comments from MSNBC.


Not saying yea or ney for MSNBC

But

Isn't that like blaming the street corner because someone stood there and made some remark.

Or some new station for covering a tragic event or some event someone didn't agree with.

But then it's just an agenda being created here.



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 11:35 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: soberbacchus

Sorry, you are wrong. Constitutional Republic is what the US uses as it's chosen form of government.


Lord...

How about we start REAL SIMPLE and look at what the Trump Administration via US Citizenship and Immigration Services tells foreigners they need to know about the USA?



Democracy in the United States

The United States is a representative democracy.
This means that our government is elected by citizens.
Here, citizens vote for their government officials.
These officials represent the citizens’ ideas and concerns in government.

www.uscis.gov...

Let me know if that is too complicated for you.
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posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 11:44 AM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

There are actually several instances across the US where direct democracy is used.

While you bloviate about how much you know, I would suggest looking into those instances.

Democracy is mob rule.

The only democracy intended for the United States by the founders was the ability to choose state representatives to the Federal Government, and to vote for State and local elections.

The United States is a republic which has been democratized over the decades.

This has not been an entirely good thing either.
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posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 11:45 AM
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a reply to: roadgravel

MSNBC sponsored it.

A street corner is not a decision making entity.

Right?

Bwaaaaa😃😃




posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 11:49 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen

And don't forget now.

Anyone that doesn't support MSNBC's propaganda is unpatriotic!
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posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 11:55 AM
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a reply to: projectvxn

The United States Government and the Trump Administration disagree with you.

See post above yours and let me know if you want more stated examples from the US Government.


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posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 11:57 AM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: xuenchen

And don't forget now.

Anyone that doesn't support MSNBC's propaganda is unpatriotic!


Weird post.

???



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 12:41 PM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

It is a representative Democracy. More specifically, a Constitutional Republic. The founding Fathers were appalled by what they saw in the early US as pure Democracies trampled the rights of citizens. They took steps to limit Democracy to ensure rights and freedoms were preserved.
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posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 12:59 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

So it's, them only have people, who they control, saying exactly what they want heard.

Sounds just like the other side then.

To bad people are not intelligent enough to sift through information and determine fact or fiction.




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