Originally posted by akilles
I assume if Moses was alive (or symbolically represented to have been alive at a certain time) it was at the dawn of the Age of Aries, out of the Age of Taurus. So the horns would be a Mithraic 'throwback', completely explaining its presence in Masonic religious sculpture.

That would be a great explanation akilles. Except for one thing - your dates are out by a couple of thousand years.

Mithraism wasn't even thought of at the time the Aramaic was written down in the Old Testament. The bull figure was prominent in the other religions of the time though, as I've already explained and as you've so studiously ignored.
My head is up. You've got yours buried somewhere else. And I don't reckon the sun shines there either.

Mithra.

Slaying THE Bull.

And you still don't see its correlation to Taurus, even if Mithraism was under a different name at the time?

I can't understand a person who would deny such a strong correlation as being flat out wrong.

Well akilles, it's flat out wrong because Mithra and the bull have nothing to do with Moses. Taurus didn't come along until the Greeks invented their system of astrology, a couple of hundred years before Christ. Moses wouldn't have been aware of the Age of Taurus as it simply didn't exist in his time - the proto-Hebrews did not have the zodiac.
Mithraism itself, took place right at the end of Aires and in the Age of Pisces.

As I've already stated, you only happen to be a couple of thousand years out with your theory.
But if you look at the actual time when Moses lived, you will see as I've already stated, bulls playing a major part in religion. In the Egypt from which Moses escaped, the bull figured largely. Also, many times, the altars of the day are referred to as having "horns".
When Moses went up the mountain, the Bible specifically states that his people started worshipping the bovine form. Then there is the mention of the horns of Moses in the Bible.

So lets look at the evidence shall we akilles? Which is more relevant?
The bull figure of Moses' time which his culture was steeped in and is mentioned in the Bible and thousands of other literative sources or a constellation linked to a dead religion that has nothing to do with him and doesn't come along until a couple of thousand years after his death?

I'll give you a flat out denial of your theory akilles, because you are flat out wrong. Logic should tell you that, but unfortunately you're still looking where the sun doesn't shine.

God, you know, and to think I didn't know exactly when the Zodiac was 'invented' and put into use, how did they do the thousands of years of observation needed?

Because Sumeria didn't use the Zodiac?

And did they claim to have invented it? No.

Did the Greeks? No.

So maybe its not just me that needs to open his eyes.

Originally posted by akilles


Because Sumeria didn't use the Zodiac?

And did they claim to have invented it? No.

Did the Greeks? No.

This is like a lesson for a four year old.
The Sumerians did use a zodiac, but it was nothing like the one that we recognise today.
The Greeks invented the one that we use today.

How wrong can one person be on one subject? Are you going for the record?

And anyway, just what the heck have the Sumerians to do with this subject? They weren't connected to Mithraism.


Once again - Moses came out of Egypt where the bull was a potent religious symbol.
Do you understand that, akilles? Not thousands of years before. Not thousands of years later. At the same time. This was a man who had come from a country where the bull was common. How many times do you need me to repeat that?
Stop babbling on about cultures and religions that evolved thousands of years later or thousands of years prior. It's obvious to anyone with half a brain that the influence of the bull was an everyday part of the proto-Hebrew's belief system back then. Even the Bible tells us this.
Stop denying proven fact.

Here endeth the lesson for the four year old.

Originally posted by Leveller

Originally posted by akilles


Because Sumeria didn't use the Zodiac?

And did they claim to have invented it? No.

Did the Greeks? No.

This is like a lesson for a four year old.
The Sumerians did use a zodiac, but it was nothing like the one that we recognise today.
The Greeks invented the one that we use today.

How wrong can one person be on one subject? Are you going for the record?

And anyway, just what the heck have the Sumerians to do with this subject? They weren't connected to Mithraism.


Once again - Moses came out of Egypt where the bull was a potent religious symbol.
Do you understand that, akilles? Not thousands of years before. Not thousands of years later. At the same time. This was a man who had come from a country where the bull was common. How many times do you need me to repeat that?
Stop babbling on about cultures and religions that evolved thousands of years later or thousands of years prior. It's obvious to anyone with half a brain that the influence of the bull was an everyday part of the proto-Hebrew's belief system back then. Even the Bible tells us this.
Stop denying proven fact.

Here endeth the lesson for the four year old.

bit of mason fun, square year old?.

[edit on 10-3-2005 by MysticOfRadiance]

Yeah,they called me a young goat before too.